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By "criteria", I mean "What makes 'That Guy'". I know that it can also be "TFG", and I also know that he doesn't stay under the points limit, but that's about it.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/That_guy


This is that guy

Well:
-Whining about other players armies whilst bringing power play lists
-bending the rules to suit ones self
-using Eldar
-Breaking the rules, doubly so against beginners
-cheating in any way, including bringing more points than agreed
-Bringing a Primarch to a none 30K game
-Bringing a LoW to a sub 2K game (Guilty)
-Imperial Knights
-Purposely minmaxing your army solely to beat your opponents list. Doubly so if you are bringing Eldar, Tau, SM or Necrons against one of the weaker armies
-Bringning a 30K list to a 40K game
-Wrath of the Ancients lists
-Using bad language and/or being argumentative
-Bad hygiene
-Trying to impose restrictions on others (Had one opponent try to stop me from bringing tanks)
-Bringing any power unit or Primarch to a fun and fluffy game

There's nothing hard and fast, and often what makes someone "that guy" for one person is different from what makes someone "that guy" for another person.

To me, "that guy" is someone who says that they're playing casual lists, when they know they're tourney lists. It's someone that's trying to get a "gotcha!" on an opponent, as if they've tricked them. No one likes to be tricked, and in a game that takes as long to play and to even collect as 40k, this is a hugely jerkish thing to do. There's nothing wrong with playing Eldar or Tau or other "broken" stuff, so long as you know and are honest about your army's strengths. Some people want to play tournament-style, and tournament lists need to be very strong. Nothing wrong with playing that way. What's wrong is bringing your tourney-beating list against someone just picking up the hobby and humiliating them for "playing the game wrong".

Someone can also "that guy" if they're extremely abrasive. This is a different kind of "that guy". This guy seems to just hate seeing other people play the game. They mock other people's choices, they put players down for playing, they only ever talk about what a bad game it is, they throw models, they throw OTHER PEOPLE'S models. Chances are this guy has other problems in his or her life, and at the moment just wants to watch the world burn.

TFG is all about an attitude for me. Its got less to do with army builds, cheese, competitiveness or suchlike and more to do with are you actually fun/friendly and have a decent attitude towards your opponents - win, lose or draw.
If no to the above, then you likely are TFG.

 Ratius wrote:
TFG is all about an attitude for me. Its got less to do with army builds, cheese, competitiveness or suchlike and more to do with are you actually fun/friendly and have a decent attitude towards your opponents - win, lose or draw.
If no to the above, then you likely are TFG.

For me, I don't really care if it's a win, lose, or draw. If I win, that's great, if I lose, then maybe next time, if it's a draw, it's OK.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/That_guy


This is that guy

 master of ordinance wrote:
Well:

Spoiler:

-Whining about other players armies whilst bringing power play lists
-bending the rules to suit ones self

-Breaking the rules, doubly so against beginners
-cheating in any way, including bringing more points than agreed
-Bringing a Primarch to a none 30K game
-Bringing a LoW to a sub 2K game (Guilty)

-Purposely minmaxing your army solely to beat your opponents list. Doubly so if you are bringing Eldar, Tau, SM or Necrons against one of the weaker armies


-Using bad language and/or being argumentative
-Bad hygiene
-Trying to impose restrictions on others (Had one opponent try to stop me from bringing tanks)
-Bringing any power unit or Primarch to a fun and fluffy game

These are excellent lists of things to avoid. As players, we can all use some personal introspection from time to time.

As an avid Eldar player for some time now, I'm always saddened to see real prejudice against my toy soldiers. Being judged a TFG before I've said or done anything is disappointing to say the least.

Look at the accompanying pic for this guy

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/This_Guy

 Cieged wrote:
As an avid Eldar player for some time now, I'm always saddened to see real prejudice against my toy soldiers. Being judged a TFG before I've said or done anything is disappointing to say the least.

Agreed. I take major exception to some of the above lists and "criteria" for this reason. Being TFG has nothing to do with what army you play and everything to do with...

 Ratius wrote:
TFG is all about an attitude for me. Its got less to do with army builds, cheese, competitiveness or suchlike and more to do with are you actually fun/friendly and have a decent attitude towards your opponents - win, lose or draw.
If no to the above, then you likely are TFG.

Attitude.

 Anfauglir wrote:

 Cieged wrote:
As an avid Eldar player for some time now, I'm always saddened to see real prejudice against my toy soldiers. Being judged a TFG before I've said or done anything is disappointing to say the least.

Agreed. I take major exception to some of the above lists and "criteria" for this reason. Being TFG has nothing to do with what army you play and everything to do with...

 Ratius wrote:
TFG is all about an attitude for me. Its got less to do with army builds, cheese, competitiveness or suchlike and more to do with are you actually fun/friendly and have a decent attitude towards your opponents - win, lose or draw.
If no to the above, then you likely are TFG.

Attitude.

I have to agree with all of the above statements here as well. I've felt the struggle to a lesser extent with my Dark Angels now within my current club. I've played Dark Angels for a very long time and, with their current strength through Ravenwing, it's actually somewhat saddening. There are people that will abuse certain aspects of an army, that doesn't mean anyone playing that army is TFG.

Attitude is key. You can have a TFG that plays one of the lesser competitive armies. I agree with some of the listed items in the previous list, but I do disagree with many others.

 master of ordinance wrote:
Well:
-Whining about other players armies whilst bringing power play lists
-bending the rules to suit ones self
-using Eldar
-Breaking the rules, doubly so against beginners
-cheating in any way, including bringing more points than agreed
-Bringing a Primarch to a none 30K game
-Bringing a LoW to a sub 2K game (Guilty)
-Imperial Knights
-Purposely minmaxing your army solely to beat your opponents list. Doubly so if you are bringing Eldar, Tau, SM or Necrons against one of the weaker armies
-Bringning a 30K list to a 40K game
-Wrath of the Ancients lists
-Using bad language and/or being argumentative
-Bad hygiene
-Trying to impose restrictions on others (Had one opponent try to stop me from bringing tanks)
-Bringing any power unit or Primarch to a fun and fluffy game

Half the things you said are not 'that guy' behaviour lol.

I saw an adult playing Eldar absolutely crushing a kid who was playing CSM. Wraiths, bikes, etc vs what was clearly multiple starter sets added together. Clearly Eldar was crushing through the game, and the guy leaned down to the table while the kid was rolling dice and whispering "Miss. Miss. Miss".

THAT is TFG. He offered me a game after. I told him no.

-Bringing a LoW to a sub 2K game (Guilty)

I disagree with this. Not all LoWs are made equal. I don't think that anything's wrong with bringing an Avatar of Khaine or Marneus Calgar to an 1850 points game.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I saw an adult playing Eldar absolutely crushing a kid who was playing CSM. Wraiths, bikes, etc vs what was clearly multiple starter sets added together. Clearly Eldar was crushing through the game, and the guy leaned down to the table while the kid was rolling dice and whispering "Miss. Miss. Miss".

THAT is TFG. He offered me a game after. I told him no.

Again, nothing to do with him playing Eldar, everything to do with his attitude towards the game and his opponent.

If you bring 2 wraithknights to a casual game against an orks player, and you can't bring yourself to nerf your army simply because it doesn't make optimal strategic sense...

...you might be TFG.

It very much is attitude, not being able to play a fluff game is a symptom of that.

I have some very competitive friends and sometimes we need to call each other on shenanigans, but the general rule of thumb is can my opponent deal with this threat within reason? If it's a no we won't use it. Sometimes we like to pull out all restrictions, but for the most part we play as a drinking game.

Secondly chirping your friend for a bad roll is one thing, chirping a random in a lick up game is a TFG move.

 Anfauglir wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I saw an adult playing Eldar absolutely crushing a kid who was playing CSM. Wraiths, bikes, etc vs what was clearly multiple starter sets added together. Clearly Eldar was crushing through the game, and the guy leaned down to the table while the kid was rolling dice and whispering "Miss. Miss. Miss".

THAT is TFG. He offered me a game after. I told him no.

Again, nothing to do with him playing Eldar, everything to do with his attitude towards the game and his opponent.

Oh no; he was talking about how bad it was that he had to take jetbikes as core to get his formation bonuses. Yeah...

 master of ordinance wrote:

-Trying to impose restrictions on others (Had one opponent try to stop me from bringing tanks)
-Bringing any power unit or Primarch to a fun and fluffy game

This seems a little contradictory.


TFG is all about attitude nothing about builds

 master of ordinance wrote:
Well:

-using Eldar
-Bringing a Primarch to a non 30K game
-Bringing a LoW to a sub 2K game (Guilty)
-Imperial Knights
-Bringning a 30K list to a 40K game
-Using bad language and/or being argumentative
-Bringing any power unit or Primarch to a fun and fluffy game

I wouldn't call any of those TFG moves unless there is specific circumstances.:
1) Eldar hate is still strong. "Oh, you like space elves? feth YOU, YOU CHEESE MONGER, TFG!"
2) Iffy at best, it can be requested of you, pre-approved, you could be playing a "return of the primarchs" fluff game
3) Depends on the LoW, but generally true. A Malcador in Sub 2,000 games is basically just bringing a slightly larger leman russ that will eventually kill it's own engine, it even has less front armor than a Russ!
4) Again, they are iffy at best as a solo unit, and they drop pretty easily if you can focus fire. Same point as the eldar above
5) so long as it is talked about, there is no issue. Even IF you do it without asking, 40k is generally at an advantage against 30k, DOUBLY so if you play at a 40k standard point level. idk if it's just FW fear, or something else, but doing this is NOT a TFG move.
6) I wouldn't say this is TFG in and of itself. 'Bad language' isn't a TFG thing, however if you're shouting at the top of your lungs, or at least louder than the rest of the store, or talking like that near kids, you're being a bit of a ponce. As for argumentative, that is NOT being TFG unless you argue over everything, even clearly understood rules and the like. Arguing/discussing how stacked rad grenades work is one thing, arguing that your infantry can totally move 7" is another.
7) No, just.... no. Primarchs are strong, and their rules fit fluffy games well. " I wanna play phall!" or "I wanna play the scouring of Istvaan" typically means at least 1 side has a primarch. JUST because you seem to fear them, doesn't make someone using them a TFG. "I'm playing as Mortarion's honor guard, so I'm only bringing terminators on foot, but I can't bring mortarion becuase then I would be cheesing the game." is just stupid.

BTNeophyte wrote:This seems a little contradictory.

It's completely contradictory (it's TFG to impose restrictions...btw, I'm imposing these restrictions). It doesn't make you TFG if you try to "impose" restrictions on your opponents for the purposes of a casual game.

Saying "Wraithknights and scatter bikes are OP; would you mind leaving them at home" is perfectly acceptable, in my view.

If I'm spamming razorbacks and 5 man tac squads for a gladius, that's a different story. If I'm not? Perfectly reasonable for me to ask my opponent to nerf his eldar list.

The player who makes your game experience gakky and doesn't really care about it.


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Sadly you don't even have to be a horrible person or have some mental disorder to achieve this in a game of 40k.
The game is so badly balanced that there are lots of possible builds that can really take the fun out of most games.

Completely about attitude. My first time going to a gaming club in my area, one of the regular guys let me play his opponent instead of him so that I could get a game. I had brought a pretty "nice" list, not knowing what kind of play the club did, and he had brought a tournament list, as he wanted to get some practice in. I got completely and utterly demolished, but the guy was a complete gentleman the entire game. He told me all about his rules, he made some recommendations on what I should try getting next, and was just all around a nice guy.

To me, TFG would:
- Throw all his toys out of the pram if the game isn't going his way.
- Cheat
- Lie about what kind of game he wants to play if there's pre-game discussion
- Cheat
- Obfuscate army special rules and equipment for personal benefit
- Cheat some more

Yeah, I was kind of reaching for criteria. Just don't be a dick really.

jup also don't be a rule lawyer during the game and pls never build your army around a really dubious and highly contested interpretation of the rules.

I Always get called 'Beardy' (basically That Guy) when i play at my local GW
what i do and dont do...

DO
-Field 1-2 Powerful units, only on big games
-make a super tough HQ, but nothing akin to Chapter Master Smashfether (this is part of the 'powerful units' mentioned before)
-make sure every rule is correct
-Field a slightly Fluffy list

DO NOT
-Field formations, or detachments (bar alternate FoC detachments
-Bring ALL the powerful units
-Field the best combos
-Field 2 armies that are 'Desperate Allies' or 'Come the Apocalypse'
-only field allies for the best units

Am i That Guy?

 Tarvitz77 wrote:
Completely about attitude. My first time going to a gaming club in my area, one of the regular guys let me play his opponent instead of him so that I could get a game. I had brought a pretty "nice" list, not knowing what kind of play the club did, and he had brought a tournament list, as he wanted to get some practice in. I got completely and utterly demolished, but the guy was a complete gentleman the entire game. He told me all about his rules, he made some recommendations on what I should try getting next, and was just all around a nice guy.

To me, TFG would:
- Throw all his toys out of the pram if the game isn't going his way.
- Cheat
- Lie about what kind of game he wants to play if there's pre-game discussion
- Cheat
- Obfuscate army special rules and equipment for personal benefit
- Cheat some more

Yeah, I was kind of reaching for criteria. Just don't be a dick really.

Same to me. The most fun game I've played so far was a 0-12 asskicking of which I was on the receiving end. The score was horribly lopsided due to a major mistake I made in turn 2 that ended with my 5-strong Wraith unit getting obliterated (fething Tau, man!) and the fact my opponent was drawing tactical objectives like "Secure Objective X" while I was drawing "Defeat an enemy character in a challenge" and "Completely eliminate an enemy unit in the assault phase". I still had a blast because my opponent and I were laughing and joking the whole time about how one-sided the game was and marveling at the unit of Tomb Blades that had been locked in combat with a unit of Mark Drones since turn 1.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Wanna_Be_the_Guy

commander dante wrote:
I Always get called 'Beardy' (basically That Guy) when i play at my local GW
what i do and dont do...

DO
-Field 1-2 Powerful units, only on big games
-make a super tough HQ, but nothing akin to Chapter Master Smashfether (this is part of the 'powerful units' mentioned before)
-make sure every rule is correct
-Field a slightly Fluffy list

DO NOT
-Field formations, or detachments (bar alternate FoC detachments
-Bring ALL the powerful units
-Field the best combos
-Field 2 armies that are 'Desperate Allies' or 'Come the Apocalypse'
-only field allies for the best units

Am i That Guy?

Quite possible. We can't know if you are an horrible opponent by just some general notes on your army.

Well i always let my opponent reroll a botched up roll, and let them redraw cards if they draw an undesirable one

Like others have said, it's attitude. I've played against guys bringing the hardest, cheesiest lists they can and enjoyed it, because they've been a good sport about it all. I've played against people with un-optimised lists and hated the game, because they've been unbearable.

It's all attitude, just like others have said.

If you don't want to be that guy, just remember the following:

1) If you're conscious you might be that guy, or don't want to be that guy, you're already a good portion of the way there.

2) When you do something, whether in a casual or tourney game, think how your opponent would feel about you doing it. Would you like it if they did it to you? Is it "fair cop" in a tourney?

3) It's a game about plastic (and resin. And metal.) man dollies. It's really not that important.

Kinda want to round off a five point list now.
4) Eat your greens
5) Brush your teeth

There you go. Five points to avoid being TFG. You're welcome Dakka