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 Thanatos73 wrote:
I really do like the Protectorate characters and Warjacks but can never really get into their infantry. I have a huge Protectorate army but not liking the infantry just kills it for me.

I have my Mercs and have always like Khador so it may be new edition new army time for me.

I like quite a lot of the Protectorate models, but I don't generally go for the really religious factions so their fluff puts me off them a bit.

It's hard to believe PP has spent years playtesting MK3 when there's apparently going to be an official day 1 errata on the actual street date of the new boxes.

Eh, there's always going to be things that slip through the cracks with a new edition of a game.

Sining wrote:
It's hard to believe PP has spent years playtesting MK3 when there's apparently going to be an official day 1 errata on the actual street date of the new boxes.

Yep, that's why I'm not putting down for physical cards this time around ha. War Room all the way.

sorry if this has been asked already but im late to the party.
Ive always liked warmachine but the crazy combos and quick kill setups kind of turned me off to it towards the end.
this may just be perception and I could be wrong

has mk3 cleaned those situations up?

is there a place to view cards for free?
I used to go to battle college or something like that but am either remembering things poorly or the site is gone.

on a side note... what books are safe to buy for a new player just starting out?
just the main rulebooks?

thanks...

I haven't played a game yet, but it seems to me the quick kills have if nything become quicker.

Battle college is still there and still being updated, but mkiii will have put it out of action for a while as the mods get to grips with the new stats and changes.

They've lowered threat ranges on a lot of stuff, but then also lowered some of the higher end defense and armor, so it's hard to say how quick death will come.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Eh, there's always going to be things that slip through the cracks with a new edition of a game.

Well, considering when Kara Sloans feat was leaked, there was a huge uproar over the potential turn 1 assassination. Somehow PP didn't see that possibility. Now, being errataed before the mk3 officially starts. Same for wold guardians. Used to be in EVERY bradigus list cause they're the highest pow beasts he can take. Except they had sturdy in the leaked cards, which basically meant bradigus entire feat was useless with them. Apparently Soles said he didn't think about the interaction with brads feat but don't worry, also getting errata on day1. A lot of these really should have been obvious if you even playtested the normal lists

They def. have playtested them... but not to an extent some of us would've loved.
2 weeks grinding all the "final" rules bye some of the WTC teams or some better podcast members would've easily shown them the biggest mistakes.

Yea, I am really skeptical of their play test groups after hearing what they are changing with errata right off the bat. As soon as the leaked cards popped up people in the Circle forums noticed that Heart Eater allowed you to kill friendlies and get hearts. Damned near the first thing anyone saw. Yet somehow the play testers missed that completely, and no one inside caught it before it was finalized? That's really strange seeing as how it is a key mechanic for 7 different cards in Circle. I get that playing with slightly changing rules over the course of 3 years makes it easy to miss things, but at some point you'd think they would have shown the cards to a few outsiders and gotten them to look at stuff like that. Or really, their play test groups should be made up of exactly the sort of people that notice that kind of stuff.

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
sorry if this has been asked already but im late to the party.
Ive always liked warmachine but the crazy combos and quick kill setups kind of turned me off to it towards the end.
this may just be perception and I could be wrong

has mk3 cleaned those situations up?

is there a place to view cards for free?
I used to go to battle college or something like that but am either remembering things poorly or the site is gone.

on a side note... what books are safe to buy for a new player just starting out?
just the main rulebooks?

thanks...

You cant see the cards, but you can see the core rules for free lots of places. If you download the WarRoom 2.0 app, the core rules and all battlegroups cards are free. Privateer also has PDFs up on their site with the MK3 core rules. Battlecollege will be up again, but they are in the process of major changes, maybe even the hostins.

If you have an android device I imagine you'll eventually be able to get WHAC for MK3.

PP clings to GW's path like a drunk to a lamp post, I guess they've reached the point where they print rules that any casual player can pick apart at first glance.

 MattofWar wrote:
If you have an android device I imagine you'll eventually be able to get WHAC for MK3.

The WHAC forum has people working on data entry for MK3, so yeah it looks like MK3 WHAC will be coming in some form.

My current theory is that Privateer's sales are way down and MK3 was rushed to bring in some money.

When they were growing and everything is great they didn't care how or who was selling their stuff and then all of a sudden they start caring about internet discounters. The only reason they would do that is if their retailers were selling less. They may blame the online stores, but when the game was growing they had no problem with it.

Then MK3 is suddenly announced. It's not much in terms of changes to the game and really obvious things appear to have been missed. They apparently also did a really conservative production run for their MK3 products and didn't make enough. This seems like a risk adverse decision that a company that is flat or in a decline might do. A company going from strength to strength and growing their customer base would make a slightly larger introductory product run.

The key note also looks like they're budget for marketing and video production has been slashed as well. There was nothing but a few short videos. The founder of the company calls the launch the most important thing for Privateer Press and then there's nothing... but one of the most lackluster presentations ever. Which means they were either short on time or money or both.

I think they reached market saturation and haven't held on to as many customers as they would have liked. I know so many of our local group stopped buying when X-Wing came out.

 Wehrkind wrote:
Yea, I am really skeptical of their play test groups after hearing what they are changing with errata right off the bat. As soon as the leaked cards popped up people in the Circle forums noticed that Heart Eater allowed you to kill friendlies and get hearts. Damned near the first thing anyone saw. Yet somehow the play testers missed that completely, and no one inside caught it before it was finalized? That's really strange seeing as how it is a key mechanic for 7 different cards in Circle. I get that playing with slightly changing rules over the course of 3 years makes it easy to miss things, but at some point you'd think they would have shown the cards to a few outsiders and gotten them to look at stuff like that. Or really, their play test groups should be made up of exactly the sort of people that notice that kind of stuff.

The worst part was PP insisting Heart Eater didn't work like that and you couldn't collect your own and you needed to wait for the full rules to come out. Then they come out and nothing stops Heart Eater from collecting off your own models and they have to drop errata for it day one.

One of the things that got to me most was Soles. He was a uniquely gak mouthpiece for this big change. He didn't understand the game or the fans nearly enough. That or he just didn't care about being accurate. Neither of which is good.

The online sales restriction thing still bugs me because its arrogant and stupidly ignores how economics works. It only works as a means of growing sales if you assume that the people who were buying online will instead buy in stores and act as advertising for the game. In reality, price-conscious consumers will continue to buy online because its still cheaper and sales will probably decline because now the products cost more and those people will buy therefore buy less of them.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Circle also lost Camouflage... across the board, I think.

They've eliminated camouflage. Pathfinder gives you the ability to situate correctly in the woods. +2 concealment bonus is camouflage.

 motyak wrote:
One of the things that got to me most was Soles. He was a uniquely gak mouthpiece for this big change. He didn't understand the game or the fans nearly enough. That or he just didn't care about being accurate. Neither of which is good.

I agree. He has a very smarmy way of writing. When he was boasting about how Menoth was the only faction with purification in it and then proceeded to talk about great the new upkeep removal spells that WEREN'T called Purification were in the insiders he wrote. Man, that just cheesed me off

Sining wrote:

 motyak wrote:
One of the things that got to me most was Soles. He was a uniquely gak mouthpiece for this big change. He didn't understand the game or the fans nearly enough. That or he just didn't care about being accurate. Neither of which is good.

I agree. He has a very smarmy way of writing. When he was boasting about how Menoth was the only faction with purification in it and then proceeded to talk about great the new upkeep removal spells that WEREN'T called Purification were in the insiders he wrote. Man, that just cheesed me off

If you're giving a live presentation I could understand making some mistakes on models' rules. If you're writing an article take a few minutes when you're done to check the stuff you're quoting and make sure it's actually true. I also hate how he got my hopes up for an improved Wraith Engine when he was talking about it, but they actually nerfed the hell out of it. They nerfed the Wraith Engine. The Wraith Engine. They took what was arguably the worst battle engine and removed the one rule it had that made it at all worthwhile.

 MattofWar wrote:
My current theory is that Privateer's sales are way down and MK3 was rushed to bring in some money.

This all makes sense to me, and now that you mention it, my group also spends what was our "Warmahordes budget" on X-wing now, but it's all just interesting conjecture unless we see some numbers, at least that ICV2 stuff.

 AduroT wrote:

Sining wrote:

 motyak wrote:
One of the things that got to me most was Soles. He was a uniquely gak mouthpiece for this big change. He didn't understand the game or the fans nearly enough. That or he just didn't care about being accurate. Neither of which is good.

I agree. He has a very smarmy way of writing. When he was boasting about how Menoth was the only faction with purification in it and then proceeded to talk about great the new upkeep removal spells that WEREN'T called Purification were in the insiders he wrote. Man, that just cheesed me off

If you're giving a live presentation I could understand making some mistakes on models' rules. If you're writing an article take a few minutes when you're done to check the stuff you're quoting and make sure it's actually true. I also hate how he got my hopes up for an improved Wraith Engine when he was talking about it, but they actually nerfed the hell out of it. They nerfed the Wraith Engine. The Wraith Engine. They took what was arguably the worst battle engine and removed the one rule it had that made it at all worthwhile.

And things like saying a certain brace of casters starting with B were getting an Arm buff...They knew the rules! Why say that when it wasn't happening! Pure stupid.

Or how Deliverers were sooooo good now -_- What nonsense. Deliverers got nerfed, as if they weren't already a crappy unit in Mk2

Sining wrote:
Or how Deliverers were sooooo good now -_- What nonsense. Deliverers got nerfed, as if they weren't already a crappy unit in Mk2

I am loving talking about deliverers with my friend. I think he owns 1-2 units for some reason and it has been great fun since they got kicked so hard to the corner.

edit: in relation to N&R (sort of) I finally got the new war room and some cards on it. I'm really enjoying all the functionality, especially the collection mechanic

Poor dude. In mk2, they at least had pow 12 and a 5" combined attack. Now, no 5" and went down to pow 8 for some reason. A gunshot hurts more than a rocket exploding in your face.

The new war room is a lot more stable but it seems to eat battery really quickly

Wow, lots of saltiness in this thread

I'm liking the new rules and cards a lot so far! Some nerfs, but overall really happy with the changes.

What we really need right now is to hear more from Lord Blackfang on how he dislikes PP and Mk3.

Well, I am playing again and actually ordered a PP product for the first time in almost 2 years.

I'm starting a Legion army and the game for the first time.