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 CoreCommander wrote:
Yes, they are! They amount for nearly 100% of my inspiration. To be honest I'm being a little too harsh on some of these (part of the reason wanting to be funny ) and I can attribute much of this discontent with my familiarity with the older artwork.


I`m in hobby thanks to one of the arts from 5 or 6th edition whfb (bretonnian knight vs saurus warrior with besieged castle in the background). That was epic! So i agree 100%

   
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Aw, I never saw that piece of art. I've seen about everything Bretonnian where art is concerned from 4th edition to End Times and Blanche's portrayals.

I'll have to track it down.

Way off topic but while we're talking Bret art, someone made a cool Bretcast sketch.

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/warhammer-fantasy-general-thread.333032/page-166
   
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Art work is important. I left Battletech because I just hated the look of the mechs in technical readout.

Just imagine if that artwork was great in there from the beginning how much long FASA could have lasted.

Crappy artwork, can't get into the hobby and stay then. Took me a while to get into 40K and GW but the artwork at the time helped big time getting into the setting and what not.

Now this Age of Sigmar is just trash. If it wasn't for the people on the Dakka forums here keeping my interests in AoS, I would have left ages ago.

Now this art work. It's not a premium price at all. GW CAN'T claim they are a premium company now. After garbage rules for 40K/Fantasy/AoS and now this art work, they have no leg to stand on saying they sell premium products. Now they sell great minis, but the rest of their range is just GARBAGE for the prices they are asking for.

That said, I am grateful for the great people here on Dakka. You have kept me interested in AoS no matter how bad a job GW is doing.

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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.

Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?

Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".  
   
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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The fluff isn't for everyone, but some people enjoy the over-the-top setting. It really isn't worse than most popular action anime, the problem is more that its so completely different from what WHFB was, and that a decent chunk of people hate AoS for another reason then read the fluff with that perception bias.


Probably why I like AOS then, since I can't get enough of OTT action sequences. But like any fight scene, or any scene in general, it needs to be well choreographed. Limbs at less than comfortable angles can't be excused because that's what people pick up on the most. The DP and Slann is pure cringe by those standards, with the Slann's arm way too far forward etc.

I have definitely noticed the increase in digital prints, and they are much more susceptible to "deformities". Probably easier to get away with it too.

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Oh I am not defending this art, believe me...

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Baron Klatz wrote:
Aw, I never saw that piece of art. I've seen about everything Bretonnian where art is concerned from 4th edition to End Times and Blanche's portrayals.

I'll have to track it down.

Way off topic but while we're talking Bret art, someone made a cool Bretcast sketch.

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/warhammer-fantasy-general-thread.333032/page-166


I was thinking about: http://the-lost-and-the-damned.664610.n2.nabble.com/file/n6243191/pic455062_lg.jpg BTW it`s quite similar to AoS arts (as for me)

   
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Oh! I've seen that, I believe that's the old form of king Louen Louencour.

That was an epic piece alright!

@Davor, glad we could help.

Anyway, back on topic. I don't really think the art's all that bad but hand-drawn (as with animation) is superior by far.
   
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Is that the problem with the art? It's not hand drawn? Is everything computers now? I didn't know this art work wasn't hand drawn. I guess I am very old school that way.

Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.

Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?

Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".  
   
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Haha, that's the way of the future. Everything is computer-made, it's faster and cheaper but lacks quality.

From Disney to Berserk (which ticked off alot of fans), it's all cgi with only concept sketches being the exception.
   
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Baron Klatz wrote:
Haha, that's the way of the future. Everything is computer-made, it's faster and cheaper but lacks quality.

From Disney to Berserk (which ticked off alot of fans), it's all cgi with only concept sketches being the exception.


Not everything new is better Hand-made shoes, cars, bicycles are still highly priced, luxury goods. If GW want to be top quality producer of miniatures/fantasy content shouldn't rely in 100% on cgi (in my opinion).

   
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That's why I said it lacks quality. That's the curse of modernization.

The Bretonnian rpg book even mentioned that a Bretonnian blade was superior to an imperial one because the blacksmith would labor through the night to perfect it. Where as an imperial forge like those in Nuln focused on mass-producing the weapons to fill out the armies.
   
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Digital art tends to be better than hand-done art, there are a large number of benefits that simply cant be reproduced in physical form. The problem is due to GW not hiring artists of the same quality, rather than the medium in which the art is produced. Or put in other words; digital art may be better, but it is still subject to the skill level of its creator.

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Digital artwork can be great too, but it's also an easy way for lazy (or rushed, or underpaid) artists to put in minimal effort and get.. well that crap people have been posting here.

It's no different to using CAD to sculpt models, those slayers with the mirrored leader stand out like a sore thumb, but Infinity has been using CAD for a while now and a lot of there sculpts are amazing.

Off the top of my head I'd point to this as a cool piece of digitally made art (since apparently the company CEO who used to be an artist learned digital drawing just to make this for the anniversary):
Spoiler:


I did find this one surprisingly good though:


Not so much for the artistic quality (though I won't really complain about that), but because showing the sigmarines ranked up, with swords, makes me think of a roman legion ready to crush the (chaos) barbarians under heel as they slowly advance across the field as a slow but unstoppable force. If they were presented more that way when released I might have loved them.

 Fafnir wrote:
Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that.
 
   
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That was my favorite piece as well!
   
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Baron Klatz wrote:
That was my favorite piece as well!


It`s look like spartan phalanx, truly epic

   
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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The fluff isn't for everyone, but some people enjoy the over-the-top setting. It really isn't worse than most popular action anime, the problem is more that its so completely different from what WHFB was, and that a decent chunk of people hate AoS for another reason then read the fluff with that perception bias.


I don't think the issue with the fluff lies in the fantasy style. I think it lies in the writting skills. Most of it looks like high school level fan fiction.
   
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Some of the artwork in this is stunning
   
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 Haechi wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The fluff isn't for everyone, but some people enjoy the over-the-top setting. It really isn't worse than most popular action anime, the problem is more that its so completely different from what WHFB was, and that a decent chunk of people hate AoS for another reason then read the fluff with that perception bias.


I don't think the issue with the fluff lies in the fantasy style. I think it lies in the writting skills. Most of it looks like high school level fan fiction.


Level of epicness is too high?

   
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I'm not sold on the goblin one, it feels like it could be really good but a couple of parts feel too CGI and (like most of the End Times onwards stuff I've seen from GW) suffers from that dust/light/fog/whatever obscuring the background effect.

 Fafnir wrote:
Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that.
 
   
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Thank you for sharing! Really love this one:



Very well done! Such a great feel to this piece

However, in the post a few above mine is a pic with some black armored stormcast. What are their "backpacks" for? Looks like they browsed that from 40k, but it's not present on the actual models, right?
   
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Yeah that Minotaur one is awesome. Looking at the models for those two minis I never really saw either of them as all that dynamic.

This picture though? yeah now I see it...and it's damn good.

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 RiTides wrote:

However, in the post a few above mine is a pic with some black armored stormcast. What are their "backpacks" for? Looks like they browsed that from 40k, but it's not present on the actual models, right?


It is on the models themselves, but AFAIK it has not been touched on what it actually is (in the way SM armour is detailed). It looks like some kind of reliquary or an icon, but my guess it that its true purpose is to not let the back of the model seem void/empty.
   
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@RiTides, those black armored Stormcasts are paladin decimators.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Stormcast-Eternals-Paladins-Decimators

I'm not sure whether those "backpacks" are for showing they are elites or if they use them to channel Sigmar's magic into battle.
   
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Love that spider one.
   
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 CoreCommander wrote:
 RiTides wrote:

However, in the post a few above mine is a pic with some black armored stormcast. What are their "backpacks" for? Looks like they browsed that from 40k, but it's not present on the actual models, right?


It is on the models themselves, but AFAIK it has not been touched on what it actually is (in the way SM armour is detailed). It looks like some kind of reliquary or an icon, but my guess it that its true purpose is to not let the back of the model seem void/empty.
I don't think its been officially described, but given that numerous other holy-looking icons channel the might of Sigmar (relictors and vexillors being the most prominent examples) and that paladins' weapons have similar effects, I would guess its has something to do with that.

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 Ratius wrote:
Excellent pieces







Especially beastmen one. I`m looking now for orruks arts and more destruction stuff

   
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Compared to the quality work that went into the artwork for the end times books, these don't measure well. Far too cartoony for my taste.

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I can't help but wonder if there is any art focusing more on the landscapes or cities. So far all I've seen from AoS is vauge maps and pictures of warriors in battle or lining up. I think we've seen a couple of Sigmars court right, what about Nagashs or Archaons... I'm guessing he has a super fortress?

 Fafnir wrote:
Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that.
 
   
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There are some sights of Archaon's fortress in Everchosen. It's cool.
   
 
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