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I liked the different visions of Archaon in the Godbeasts book appearing to various chaos goons and giving them their packing orders. We had Nurgle (cloud of flies) Archaon, Khorne (blud blud blud and red stuff) Archaon and even Skaven Engineer (whispy green smoke) Archaon. It's a pity we didn't see Tzeench Archaon or Slaanesh Archaon.

coldgaming wrote:
Not from Godbeasts but thought this was appropriate thread. Who are the Ironjawz fighting in this shot from their battle tome? Looks kind of like dwarves on the left and then a Stormcast riding a giant fell bat on the right. Edit: the harder I squint, I think that's supposed to be a maw-krusha on the right, but very different looking to me.

Guys on left are blood reavers, think you're right about that being a maw-krusha, looks to have an Orc rider (with stormcasty armour!)

coldgaming wrote:
Not from Godbeasts but thought this was appropriate thread. Who are the Ironjawz fighting in this shot from their battle tome? Looks kind of like dwarves on the left and then a Stormcast riding a giant fell bat on the right. Edit: the harder I squint, I think that's supposed to be a maw-krusha on the right, but very different looking to me.

That`s nice Art! Do you have bigger version?

Uh... I think those guys are ironguts. Look at the helmets, and the sword on the guy getting run over looks like a scimitar with additional teeth attached to the blade.
Scale would be about right, too.

RoperPG wrote:
Uh... I think those guys are ironguts. Look at the helmets, and the sword on the guy getting run over looks like a scimitar with additional teeth attached to the blade.
Scale would be about right, too.

You know you could be right. I've painted up 40 of the of late, I see bloodreavers everywhere.

Dai wrote:

RoperPG wrote:
Uh... I think those guys are ironguts. Look at the helmets, and the sword on the guy getting run over looks like a scimitar with additional teeth attached to the blade.
Scale would be about right, too.

You know you could be right. I've painted up 40 of the of late, I see bloodreavers everywhere.

Definitely Ironguts - nice fight - Brutes vs Ironguts - biggest mother#$% from destruction alliance

In general, my biggest issue with the artwork so far is that there is NO images with any Stormcasts dying, taking damage, being ruffled up or having a somewhat difficult time, at least. It's not that I have a problem with Stormcast being super-powerful, I just can't get invested when I don't see the realities of all factions. I would like to see artwork of a reforging, or Liberators being torn apart by Chaos Warriors, or a horde of Reavers or just SOMETHING - I need to see some humanity in there! If the other guys take casulties too, fine, but I need both to take damage!

Of course that's not a part of the setting; tried charging five Liberators with twenty Reavers with three buffs, and all Reavers were killed, while one Liberator was left dead. That left me salty, and even more salty now that the artwork seem to agree with me.

 The Wise Dane wrote:
In general, my biggest issue with the artwork so far is that there is NO images with any Stormcasts dying, taking damage, being ruffled up or having a somewhat difficult time, at least. It's not that I have a problem with Stormcast being super-powerful, I just can't get invested when I don't see the realities of all factions. I would like to see artwork of a reforging, or Liberators being torn apart by Chaos Warriors, or a horde of Reavers or just SOMETHING - I need to see some humanity in there! If the other guys take casulties too, fine, but I need both to take damage!

Of course that's not a part of the setting; tried charging five Liberators with twenty Reavers with three buffs, and all Reavers were killed, while one Liberator was left dead. That left me salty, and even more salty now that the artwork seem to agree with me.

That sounds like some bad dice rolling unless the Libs were buffed up too. Was one of the buffs the Bloodsecrators plus one (two really) attacks and no battleshock?

The Stormcasts got torn a new one big time at the end of the Balance of Power sourcebook too.

Dai wrote:

 The Wise Dane wrote:
In general, my biggest issue with the artwork so far is that there is NO images with any Stormcasts dying, taking damage, being ruffled up or having a somewhat difficult time, at least. It's not that I have a problem with Stormcast being super-powerful, I just can't get invested when I don't see the realities of all factions. I would like to see artwork of a reforging, or Liberators being torn apart by Chaos Warriors, or a horde of Reavers or just SOMETHING - I need to see some humanity in there! If the other guys take casulties too, fine, but I need both to take damage!

Of course that's not a part of the setting; tried charging five Liberators with twenty Reavers with three buffs, and all Reavers were killed, while one Liberator was left dead. That left me salty, and even more salty now that the artwork seem to agree with me.

That sounds like some bad dice rolling unless the Libs were buffed up too. Was one of the buffs the Bloodsecrators plus one (two really) attacks and no battleshock?

The Stormcasts got torn a new one big time at the end of the Balance of Power sourcebook too.

It had those buffs, but on the other hand, the Liberators (with Shields) was in terrain, and so got a buff to their armor. Also, as you said, no Battleshock.

Also, my buffed up Mighty Lord got killed by a Liberator five-man group, and they took no wounds. This game left me very, very salty.

 The Wise Dane wrote:
In general, my biggest issue with the artwork so far is that there is NO images with any Stormcasts dying, taking damage, being ruffled up or having a somewhat difficult time, at least. It's not that I have a problem with Stormcast being super-powerful, I just can't get invested when I don't see the realities of all factions. I would like to see artwork of a reforging, or Liberators being torn apart by Chaos Warriors, or a horde of Reavers or just SOMETHING - I need to see some humanity in there! If the other guys take casulties too, fine, but I need both to take damage!

Interesting! I didn`t notice this earlier. But i agree, i would love to see battle damaged armour, mud, blood and dust on stormcasts shiny armour

 The Wise Dane wrote:
In general, my biggest issue with the artwork so far is that there is NO images with any Stormcasts dying, taking damage, being ruffled up or having a somewhat difficult time, at least. It's not that I have a problem with Stormcast being super-powerful, I just can't get invested when I don't see the realities of all factions. I would like to see artwork of a reforging, or Liberators being torn apart by Chaos Warriors, or a horde of Reavers or just SOMETHING - I need to see some humanity in there! If the other guys take casulties too, fine, but I need both to take damage!

Of course that's not a part of the setting; tried charging five Liberators with twenty Reavers with three buffs, and all Reavers were killed, while one Liberator was left dead. That left me salty, and even more salty now that the artwork seem to agree with me.

From Ironjawz battle tome, looks like Stormcast getting trampled.

Cool art of Stormcast loosing! Though in terms of flight capability hose Maw Crushas look like balloons with paper wings tacked on.

So a grand total of two Stormcast, neither of which has any actual physical damage depicted

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
So a grand total of two Stormcast, neither of which has any actual physical damage depicted

Was that this thread someone made an interesting comment about no Stormcasts taking blows? (Actually a great thought I never had and I wonder if the GW artists have even noticed or planned )

Can't do printscreen I guess from computer but the Ironjaws tome has a 2-page spread of charging Waaaagh! and Gruntas running over Stormcasts. Not really graphic but they do look hurt--as hurt as I guess their position allows given they are fully helmed

 VeteranNoob wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
So a grand total of two Stormcast, neither of which has any actual physical damage depicted

Was that this thread someone made an interesting comment about no Stormcasts taking blows? (Actually a great thought I never had and I wonder if the GW artists have even noticed or planned )

Can't do printscreen I guess from computer but the Ironjaws tome has a 2-page spread of charging Waaaagh! and Gruntas running over Stormcasts. Not really graphic but they do look hurt--as hurt as I guess their position allows given they are fully helmed

It was this thread, it was me

I dunno, I just feel like artwork doesn't represent a faction well enough if no one is killed or damaged. In battle, all factions has both wins and loses, and I want to see both, so I can better get into what the faction is about. How can I ever think Chaos is some bad fethers when Sigmar's best doesn't seem to be even slightly phased by them?

 The Wise Dane wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
So a grand total of two Stormcast, neither of which has any actual physical damage depicted

Was that this thread someone made an interesting comment about no Stormcasts taking blows? (Actually a great thought I never had and I wonder if the GW artists have even noticed or planned )

Can't do printscreen I guess from computer but the Ironjaws tome has a 2-page spread of charging Waaaagh! and Gruntas running over Stormcasts. Not really graphic but they do look hurt--as hurt as I guess their position allows given they are fully helmed

It was this thread, it was me

I dunno, I just feel like artwork doesn't represent a faction well enough if no one is killed or damaged. In battle, all factions has both wins and loses, and I want to see both, so I can better get into what the faction is about. How can I ever think Chaos is some bad fethers when Sigmar's best doesn't seem to be even slightly phased by them?

No, you are completely right. I agree with needing the good and bad but was surprised at your insightful comment because I went and looked and couldn't find an example Good call.

 VeteranNoob wrote:

 The Wise Dane wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
So a grand total of two Stormcast, neither of which has any actual physical damage depicted

Was that this thread someone made an interesting comment about no Stormcasts taking blows? (Actually a great thought I never had and I wonder if the GW artists have even noticed or planned )

Can't do printscreen I guess from computer but the Ironjaws tome has a 2-page spread of charging Waaaagh! and Gruntas running over Stormcasts. Not really graphic but they do look hurt--as hurt as I guess their position allows given they are fully helmed

It was this thread, it was me

I dunno, I just feel like artwork doesn't represent a faction well enough if no one is killed or damaged. In battle, all factions has both wins and loses, and I want to see both, so I can better get into what the faction is about. How can I ever think Chaos is some bad fethers when Sigmar's best doesn't seem to be even slightly phased by them?

No, you are completely right. I agree with needing the good and bad but was surprised at your insightful comment because I went and looked and couldn't find an example Good call.

By the way, I've found a SINGLE picture where a Retributor takes an axe to the chest. You don't see any damage, but it's there.



Look? All the way back right? Yeah, we've come a long way haven't we.

You mean on the right? I think he is parrying it with the shaft of his axe. :-p

I also wonder if the art is the way it is (with everything looking exactly like the models), because of all the goofy lawsuits against companies making 3rd party variations of their stuff. Could if be that they have moved to taking some freedom away from the artists so that there will be no doubt with the art that it is fact something portraying a GW product. I don't know, a few of my friends and I have talked about the recent art and that was something that came up.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:
I also wonder if the art is the way it is (with everything looking exactly like the models), because of all the goofy lawsuits against companies making 3rd party variations of their stuff. Could if be that they have moved to taking some freedom away from the artists so that there will be no doubt with the art that it is fact something portraying a GW product. I don't know, a few of my friends and I have talked about the recent art and that was something that came up.

Or maybe customer base need clear description and reconstruction models in arts instead imagination It`s easier to imagine some stories about your army when you see exactly the same characters on arts.

About the Stormcasts taking damage, have you seen the new ghoul court battletome artwork? They're getting hit hard there.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/2160/683422.page

It's really just an example of the Worf effect, take some lads and make them seem invincible but then introduce some new guys down the line that completely curb-stomp them to show how awesome they are.

Gonna be cool to see how the Aelves and Free Guild is handled in the future artwork. Will they be shown curb-stomping the Orruks and newer enemies with dragon spams and Ironweld bombardments or will they be put in the relatable category with them fighting on equal ground with the forces of madness and winning through sheer determination?

Looking forward to either.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:
I also wonder if the art is the way it is (with everything looking exactly like the models), because of all the goofy lawsuits against companies making 3rd party variations of their stuff. Could if be that they have moved to taking some freedom away from the artists so that there will be no doubt with the art that it is fact something portraying a GW product. I don't know, a few of my friends and I have talked about the recent art and that was something that came up.

I was giving this some thought recently and actually came up with an alternative theory. GW could be, either because of laziness, not wanting to pay much for their art, or because of time restraints, could he taking their concept art for models and inserting it into larger peices of art. It's all digital now and that would save time (money) at the expense of everyone looking like their models.

Baron Klatz wrote:
About the Stormcasts taking damage, have you seen the new ghoul court battletome artwork? They're getting hit hard there.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/2160/683422.page

It's really just an example of the Worf effect, take some lads and make them seem invincible but then introduce some new guys down the line that completely curb-stomp them to show how awesome they are.

Gonna be cool to see how the Aelves and Free Guild is handled in the future artwork. Will they be shown curb-stomping the Orruks and newer enemies with dragon spams and Ironweld bombardments or will they be put in the relatable category with them fighting on equal ground with the forces of madness and winning through sheer determination?

Looking forward to either.

Yeah they're being tossed around a bit, but they aren't taking any damage it seems.

Baron Klatz wrote:
About the Stormcasts taking damage, have you seen the new ghoul court battletome artwork? They're getting hit hard there.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/2160/683422.page

It's really just an example of the Worf effect, take some lads and make them seem invincible but then introduce some new guys down the line that completely curb-stomp them to show how awesome they are.

Gonna be cool to see how the Aelves and Free Guild is handled in the future artwork. Will they be shown curb-stomping the Orruks and newer enemies with dragon spams and Ironweld bombardments or will they be put in the relatable category with them fighting on equal ground with the forces of madness and winning through sheer determination?

Looking forward to either.

You are talking about this one? Quite nice and indeed - Liberators have some hard day here.

There is a picture in the new BL novel of the orruks attacking the stormcast one gets battered out of the air by a maw crusher and one gets his arm bit off.

I think the new flesh court image pretty much shows the stormcast having a bad day.

 The Wise Dane wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
About the Stormcasts taking damage, have you seen the new ghoul court battletome artwork? They're getting hit hard there.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/2160/683422.page

It's really just an example of the Worf effect, take some lads and make them seem invincible but then introduce some new guys down the line that completely curb-stomp them to show how awesome they are.

Gonna be cool to see how the Aelves and Free Guild is handled in the future artwork. Will they be shown curb-stomping the Orruks and newer enemies with dragon spams and Ironweld bombardments or will they be put in the relatable category with them fighting on equal ground with the forces of madness and winning through sheer determination?

Looking forward to either.

Yeah they're being tossed around a bit, but they aren't taking any damage it seems.

And I bet if someone posted art of wounded Stormcasts you'd say 'yeah but that's only a handful of guys in a huge battle'

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 The Wise Dane wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
About the Stormcasts taking damage, have you seen the new ghoul court battletome artwork? They're getting hit hard there.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/2160/683422.page

It's really just an example of the Worf effect, take some lads and make them seem invincible but then introduce some new guys down the line that completely curb-stomp them to show how awesome they are.

Gonna be cool to see how the Aelves and Free Guild is handled in the future artwork. Will they be shown curb-stomping the Orruks and newer enemies with dragon spams and Ironweld bombardments or will they be put in the relatable category with them fighting on equal ground with the forces of madness and winning through sheer determination?

Looking forward to either.

Yeah they're being tossed around a bit, but they aren't taking any damage it seems.

And I bet if someone posted art of wounded Stormcasts you'd say 'yeah but that's only a handful of guys in a huge battle'

Absolutely