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 whembly wrote:
That's a good trade for Minny imo.

Bradford excels at the short/intermediate passing gaming. If the OL holds up and the attention AP deserves, Bradford should be able to hit the long passes as well.

I am inclined to agree. Then again, the Vikes seem to have atrocious luck whenever they get their stuff together and everything falls apart. The pain of being a Vikes fan. You get your hopes up to be trampled underfoot and still after all of it to be generally positive and hopeful. Must be a closet masochist.

I think it's a good deal, Philly traded away their own first rounder so this gets them back in it.

I am worried about the QB situation in Philly now though. They reportedly cut McLeod Bethel-Thompson before this deal, so that leaves Daniel and Wentz. MBT is still listed on the roster for now but the clock is ticking... roughly 20 minutes to make final decisions.

 helgrenze wrote:
I think it's a good deal, Philly traded away their own first rounder so this gets them back in it.

I am worried about the QB situation in Philly now though. They reportedly cut McLeod Bethel-Thompson before this deal, so that leaves Daniel and Wentz. MBT is still listed on the roster for now but the clock is ticking... roughly 20 minutes to make final decisions.

Man... as a longtime Mizzou fan... I hope Daniel kicks some arse for the Eagles.

Well, after winning it big last year, I think this first game against Cam Newton is really going to hurt as a Broncos fan. I think this is gonna be a season of "Get our gak together, not even think about the Superbowl"

The Eagles committed highway robbery, IMO. Bradford just doesn't have *IT*. I could quantify "IT" as things like the intestinal fortitude to get the ball down the field, or ability to avoid becoming a frightened, mewing kitten when under duress. But ultimately you watch the guy and shake your head that he isn't better than he is.

I'm not an Eagles fan, but live in the area and saw plenty of him. I guess he's better than nothing, but IMO he won't make the Vikes a SB contender. He's never even led a team to the playoffs.

For the Eagles, Daniel will take a seat as soon as Wentz is healthy enough to play. He's there to hold a clipboard and help teach the offense to Wentz.

 gorgon wrote:
The Eagles committed highway robbery, IMO. Bradford just doesn't have *IT*. I could quantify "IT" as things like the intestinal fortitude to get the ball down the field, or ability to avoid becoming a frightened, mewing kitten when under duress. But ultimately you watch the guy and shake your head that he isn't better than he is.

I'm not an Eagles fan, but live in the area and saw plenty of him. I guess he's better than nothing, but IMO he won't make the Vikes a SB contender. He's never even led a team to the playoffs.

For the Eagles, Daniel will take a seat as soon as Wentz is healthy enough to play. He's there to hold a clipboard and help teach the offense to Wentz.

I agree that that Eagles made out like a bandit.

But, on the Vikings? Bradford doesn't need to have that "IT" factor. He simply needs to be a great game manager, and do an occasional "great" QB thing imo.

Viking have a great OL, great running back, upgraded recieving corps and a very GOOD defense. This is simply the best team he's been on.... If he can't make it work, then his 'bust' status will be permanent.

I like the Vikings optimism, The first round pick is a good thing for the Eagles, but the other pick is a conditional 4th in 2018... It becomes a 3rd if they make the playoffs, and a 2nd if they make the Superbowl.

Philly trade Rowe to NE for an o-lineman, Josh Kline, and a conditional pick as well, based on play time. It seems they are shopping Kline around, likely for more picks.

Another thing to remember about the vike/eagles trade is that it is a LATE 1st rnd pick, and the eagles still pay for 11 mil of his salary. Considering how young the vikes roster is, it probably isn't as big of a deal losing that pick. I also don't think the vikes had much choice. The other teams knew how badly they needed a QB and made the vikes pay for it. This is the best team Bradford has ever been on so he has no excuse to fail this time around. I agree Bridgewater is better, but whatcha gonna do when he is out. At least they didn't pick up Kaepernick. I also think too many people focus on the whole but so and so can't throw the long ball. Who cares. Accuracy, consistency, reliability, and leadership are much more important than being able to throw the ball far. Especially when your team isn't set up for the long game.

It's a first round pick plus another solid pick for a one year rental. Super Bowl or bust, right?

And the one year rental the Vikes have placed their SB or bust hopes on is the injury-prone, turnover-prone Sam Bradford, he of the 81.0 career passer rating who has never led a team to the playoffs.

Wow. And really, the Vikes have a nice team, but it's not like they were favored to win the conference with Bridgewater. This looks like a total panic move.

And where does it say that it's a late first round pick? If Bradford gets hurt and the team limps to a 7-9 record, suddenly it's a top-half pick.

Feeling actually fairly pumped about the Broncos Panthers standoff tonight. Will post after the game.

Wow. And really, the Vikes have a nice team, but it's not like they were favored to win the conference with Bridgewater. This looks like a total panic move.

I don't see it as a desperate move so much as the only move available. The other teams knew how badly the vikes needed a QB and were going to make them pay through the nose for it. I would be willing to bet the other deals being offered to the vikes were much worse.

Honestly, Bradford plays more like a solid back up.
Given the 'drops' problems the Eagles had last year, now maybe we will see if it has more to do with his release than the receivers having stone hands.

 NorseSig wrote:

Wow. And really, the Vikes have a nice team, but it's not like they were favored to win the conference with Bridgewater. This looks like a total panic move.

I don't see it as a desperate move so much as the only move available. The other teams knew how badly the vikes needed a QB and were going to make them pay through the nose for it. I would be willing to bet the other deals being offered to the vikes were much worse.

The only move? The other, obvious move is to play with the team you have. If the defense and running game are good, play the backup, maybe take some lumps but maybe not as many as you think, learn something about your team, and save those draft picks for players that can help your team next year when you get your QB back.

As is, I can pretty much guarantee you that the Vikes aren't going to win the SB behind Bradford AND they'll be out two picks in the process AND down the cap space his contract eats up. So what's the point of making the move?

 gorgon wrote:

 NorseSig wrote:

Wow. And really, the Vikes have a nice team, but it's not like they were favored to win the conference with Bridgewater. This looks like a total panic move.

I don't see it as a desperate move so much as the only move available. The other teams knew how badly the vikes needed a QB and were going to make them pay through the nose for it. I would be willing to bet the other deals being offered to the vikes were much worse.

The only move? The other, obvious move is to play with the team you have. If the defense and running game are good, play the backup, maybe take some lumps but maybe not as many as you think, learn something about your team, and save those draft picks for players that can help your team next year when you get your QB back.

As is, I can pretty much guarantee you that the Vikes aren't going to win the SB behind Bradford AND they'll be out two picks in the process AND down the cap space his contract eats up. So what's the point of making the move?

Near as I can tell, simply to make us Detroit fans happy you got a crappy QB?

Wow, that game was huge, and what a game. However, I do have to agree with a lot of what I've seen: there were 4 dirty hits from the Broncos against Cam Newton, and only 1 was called and it got canceled out by a grounding? That last 1 was huge, and Cam looked rough and dizzy getting up off the ground.

Hope some player fines come of this.

I didn't watch the game as I dont have that channel, but based on a friend's FB comments, apparently there was a ton of holding and a bunch of other penalties that weren't called as well (which, for those who've been around dakka, and NFL threads will know, penalties and specifically holding are big pet peeves of mine)

I'm glad Cam didn't get a win, but from the sounds of it... it wasn't a very good game to watch.

Denver is a great defensive team... but, yeah there were quite a bit of uncalled penalty benefiting Denver.

However, wow... Caroline is going to be scary this year.

Cam is just getting the Big Ben treatment. Roethlisberger has been knocked around his whole career and never gotten the flags that Pey-Pey and GQ boy got. The refs think that if you're a big ol' hoss, the rules are different.

Remember the Steelers-Ravens game when Ngata got his hand up in Roethlisberger's face and mashed his nose sideways? *No flag* on that one. LOL.



But really, it's not just a play like that but all the constant, just-a-little-late hits that are never flagged. This from Terrell Suggs, a guy who has lots of reason to hate the Steelers and Roethlisberger:

I don't like the treatment he [Tom Brady] gets. With all due respect, everybody seen how we hit that boy in that black and yellow [Ben Roethlisberger], they don't throw him any flags. I mean everything's legal with Mr. Ben, but you get close to those guys who sell those tickets. The 18's [Peyton Manning], the 12's [Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers], the 9's [Drew Brees]. You get too close to them and they like, "Hey!". At the end of the day this is a business, you don't hurt those guys. You don't touch them, you don't even look at they bodies.

So welcome to the unprotected club, Cam.

I was hopeful, but man is the Viking offense a massive dumpster fire. Don't know what is worse, Walsh's kicks, Hill's QB skills, or Norv Turner's Offensive "strategies". Seriously, all we got as a good defense. Lookin' like another disappointing year.

That Seahawks game probably took a couple years off my life but hey, a win is a win.

Philly racked up the days only double digit win.
Have to say it...
Cleveland needs help on their O-line. Their center again hiked a ball over the QB's head. Cox and company spent nearly as much time in the Browns backfield as RG3. RG3 has lost a step or two but give him time and he can light a team up. 3 sacks and a snapped safety.
Neither team did exceptionally well rushing. Philly beat them in the air, Wentz threw for almost 100 yards more than Griffin with a more than a yard per pass better average.

But you know Clevelanders.... They want a new QB asap.

Heh...

Patriots didn't even need Brady.

Well, yes, for now.

I have to admit, I was very happy with their overall performance, especially the defense.

And Jimmy G was channeling Tom Brady circa 2001 so, yeah, OK!

 Alpharius wrote:
Well, yes, for now.

I have to admit, I was very happy with their overall performance, especially the defense.

And Jimmy G was channeling Tom Brady circa 2001 so, yeah, OK!

Definitely looked sharp, hope he sticks around to pick up the slack when Brady rides off into the sunset.

A+ for effort all night from him though, great to see him catch his own tipped pass and try for a few extra yards on the play.

I think Jimmy G will be the starting QB here in...2018?

I think Tom picks up during game 5 this year, and all of the next season and then the absolutely Unthinkable may happen...

 whembly wrote:
Heh...

Patriots didn't even need Brady.

Eh, 50/50. Cardinals definitely let some stuff slip through their fingers, but it was a lot closer than the blowout I expected it to be.

It was definitely a solid Patriots performance sans Brady, Gronkowski, Nonkovich, etc. Patriots D contained the Cardinals pretty well. Palmer looked stiff and Garoppolo did very good (actually better than Brady in his start...). And the next 3 games are pretty weak teams, probably not nearly as good as Arizona. No shame for AZ, though, other than Palmer being Palmer, they were in it to win it and very well could have!

 jreilly89 wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Heh...

Patriots didn't even need Brady.

Eh, 50/50. Cardinals definitely let some stuff slip through their fingers, but it was a lot closer than the blowout I expected it to be.

You...expected the Patriots to blow out the Cards?

Really?

 Alpharius wrote:
I think Jimmy G will be the starting QB here in...2018?

I think Tom picks up during game 5 this year, and all of the next season and then the absolutely Unthinkable may happen...

They lose yet another SB to the Giants?

LOLWUT?

No, I was talking more about Brady further emulating his idol and playing too long, for a team other than the one he started with and won with.