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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/01 22:07:09
Subject: 2016 NFL Thread
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Apparently the NFL has admitted to at least one no call that should have been a flag.
Campbell's hit on Cam that went below the knee.
On the Dallas/Philly game, That fake punk caught everyone off guard, including the Refs who missed the hold that allowed that play to break free.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/02 05:19:07
Subject: 2016 NFL Thread
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jreilly89 wrote:Prestor Jon wrote:
Pollard apologized to Brady after he tore Brady's ACL and they still created a rule based off that incident to protect quarterbacks from precisely that kind of hit. Pocket passers seem to get more roughing calls than mobile quarterbacks. Your point on Roethlisberger is a good one, Ben doesn't really run but he holds the ball forever and moves around the pocket and consequently gets a lot of contact and hits. He's the size of a tight end and frequently has defenders hanging on him, hitting his legs, etc. and doesn't seem to get the kind of calls that Brady and Brees get. Rodgers scrambles a lot and is an MVP and a superbowl champ and he gets more calls than Ben or Cam. The most important aspect of officiating in any sport is consistency and for whatever reason the NFL officials aren't very consistent with their calls on QB hits. If the NFL is going to pass special rules to protect QBs then they need to consistently enforce them.
Agreed, unfortunately the NFL, much like WWE or any other entertainment network, is in the entertainment business, so they protect their money makers like Brady and Rodgers the most. Guys like Cam and other rookies fall to the way side until they bring in enough ad revenue.
Except Cam's been in the league now since 2011 and is an MVP, and is raking in ad revenue.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/02 14:04:36
Subject: 2016 NFL Thread
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KingmanHighborn wrote: jreilly89 wrote:Prestor Jon wrote:
Pollard apologized to Brady after he tore Brady's ACL and they still created a rule based off that incident to protect quarterbacks from precisely that kind of hit. Pocket passers seem to get more roughing calls than mobile quarterbacks. Your point on Roethlisberger is a good one, Ben doesn't really run but he holds the ball forever and moves around the pocket and consequently gets a lot of contact and hits. He's the size of a tight end and frequently has defenders hanging on him, hitting his legs, etc. and doesn't seem to get the kind of calls that Brady and Brees get. Rodgers scrambles a lot and is an MVP and a superbowl champ and he gets more calls than Ben or Cam. The most important aspect of officiating in any sport is consistency and for whatever reason the NFL officials aren't very consistent with their calls on QB hits. If the NFL is going to pass special rules to protect QBs then they need to consistently enforce them.
Agreed, unfortunately the NFL, much like WWE or any other entertainment network, is in the entertainment business, so they protect their money makers like Brady and Rodgers the most. Guys like Cam and other rookies fall to the way side until they bring in enough ad revenue.
Except Cam's been in the league now since 2011 and is an MVP, and is raking in ad revenue.
Sorry, but to the NFL that's nothing. Rodgers has been playing since 2005, Roethlisberger since 2004, and Brady since 2000. Cam is still a rookie to them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/03 18:58:16
Subject: 2016 NFL Thread
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Happy day! Norv Turner is GONE. Rumor has it that the guy taking over was calling the plays behind the scenes for the first 4-5 games and then Norv took over for essentially the last 2 games. None of that fixes the non-existent O-line, but it is a start. Would just like to add this quote from a guy on Vikings FB page:
Dave Shaw I'd like to hear him say: "We have great big dangerous football players crossing over into the pocket and doing terrible things to our quarterback, terrible things. Well folks, we're going to build a wall. We're going to build a great big beautiful wall.... And the packers are going to pay for it."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/03 19:00:19
Subject: 2016 NFL Thread
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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NorseSig wrote:Happy day! Norv Turner is GONE. Rumor has it that the guy taking over was calling the plays behind the scenes for the first 4-5 games and then Norv took over for essentially the last 2 games. None of that fixes the non-existent O-line, but it is a start. Would just like to add this quote from a guy on Vikings FB page:
Dave Shaw I'd like to hear him say: "We have great big dangerous football players crossing over into the pocket and doing terrible things to our quarterback, terrible things. Well folks, we're going to build a wall. We're going to build a great big beautiful wall.... And the packers are going to pay for it."
Well... Pat Shumer and Sam Bradford does have a decent working relationship.
Shumer was there for Bradford's ROY at Rams and the high-flying Eagles.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/03 23:07:36
Subject: 2016 NFL Thread
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Congrats to the Cubs! Got to watch the last inning while on break at work.
This weeks picks.
Tonight Atlanta at Tampa Bay.
The top overall Offense vs a mediocre Def. These teams are 1-2 in their division. Both have issues with turnovers and can get to the QB. Atl has the more mobile QB though.
Falcons win this one.
NFC East.
Washington is off.
Dallas at Cleveland
Really...... no analysis here. Dallas should win in a walk.
Philadelphia at New York Giants
Philly has had the Giants number for a while. Eli has nightmares about the Eagles pass rush and Fletcher Cox. That should help mitigate the Giants passing game. The Eagles have to find theirs though. With Huff being cut due to his legal issues (Probably more from the drug charge than the gun though.), Someone else needs to step up in the receiving corps.
Still, Philly should be able to win this one.... expect a low score though.
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Office of Naval Intelligence Research discovers 3 out of 4 sailors make up 75% of U.S. Navy.
"Madness is like gravity... All you need is a little push."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/06 00:03:45
Subject: 2016 NFL Thread
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Peregrine wrote:
It's hardly shameful when it's accurate. Un-called blatant pass interference by the offense gave the Saints points they shouldn't have had. "Tackle the cornerback to get the other receiver open" is not a legal play.
And now the NFL admits that they blew the calls: http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/nfl-tells-seahawks-it-blew-a-few-calls-in-sundays-loss-to-saints/
Besides this game, anyone else getting a bit tired of how much comes down to "was a flag thrown or not"?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/06 00:26:53
Subject: 2016 NFL Thread
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Peregrine wrote:Besides this game, anyone else getting a bit tired of how much comes down to "was a flag thrown or not"?
There's so much more than just that... For instance, I want clear cut rulings on "what is a catch"... because clearly "the receiver makes a football move" is entirely too nebulous. I'm tired of offensive bias in the open field (ie, receivers get away with quite a bit more than defenders). I'm tired of watching play after play of not borderline holding penalties, I'm talking about blatant and easy to see from orbit calls that aren't being flagged. This is especially bad to me because of the sheer number of times I've seen this happening not a few feet away from the ref, AND replays show that the "penalty" is directly in the official's line of sight.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/06 06:03:26
Subject: 2016 NFL Thread
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Or phantom calls where the refs throw the flag and it negates a play, but then there's no footage of it, or when it is shown, there's no evidence anything was done wrong. My Panthers have been TORTURED by that since their inception.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/06 06:06:26
Subject: 2016 NFL Thread
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Ensis Ferrae wrote: Peregrine wrote:Besides this game, anyone else getting a bit tired of how much comes down to "was a flag thrown or not"?
There's so much more than just that... For instance, I want clear cut rulings on "what is a catch"... because clearly "the receiver makes a football move" is entirely too nebulous. I'm tired of offensive bias in the open field (ie, receivers get away with quite a bit more than defenders). I'm tired of watching play after play of not borderline holding penalties, I'm talking about blatant and easy to see from orbit calls that aren't being flagged. This is especially bad to me because of the sheer number of times I've seen this happening not a few feet away from the ref, AND replays show that the "penalty" is directly in the official's line of sight.
I agree, and it happens far too often. The timing on several of the calls (or lack there of) is suspect as well, as often their calls help decide the games at critical moments.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/06 13:49:48
Subject: 2016 NFL Thread
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I agree on the officiating issues. Too many non calls on obvious penalties lately.
On the Josh Huff issue in Philly... If you think it was about the GUN, you didn't read all the charges.
He was caught with Marijuana in the car and his system (DUI = Driving under the Influence) Since he was arrested, he was likely tested for it. Once that became known back at the front office, they had a decision to make.
Neither New Jersey, nor Pennsylvania have legalized, and the NFL still holds it as a Banned Substance.
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Of all the races of the universe the Squats have the longest memories and the shortest tempers. They are uncouth, unpredictably violent, and frequently drunk. Overall, I'm glad they're on our side!
Office of Naval Intelligence Research discovers 3 out of 4 sailors make up 75% of U.S. Navy.
"Madness is like gravity... All you need is a little push."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/07 02:39:13
Subject: 2016 NFL Thread
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Phew....Panthers won, but they just had to let the Rams make it interesting. They'd be deadly if they had people that could catch.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/07 02:46:01
Subject: 2016 NFL Thread
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KingmanHighborn wrote:Phew....Panthers won, but they just had to let the Rams make it interesting. They'd be deadly if they had people that could catch.
7-9 forever!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/07 05:09:35
Subject: 2016 NFL Thread
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As long as Jeff Fisher is their coach, that's about right.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/07 14:19:39
Subject: 2016 NFL Thread
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Ugh..... Giants contact the Sturgis while his leg is still up, no call. Giants slap Wentz's helmet while he is in the pocket, no call.
Come close to touching Brady, anywhere on the field, flags everywhere.
These are not "lets look at this in close up slow mo" kind of fouls.
These are some of the FEW clearly defined rules in the NFL.
Both those, if called, would have given Philly 1st and goal in each case.
Even Joe Buck, and Troy Aikman commented on both those no calls.
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Of all the races of the universe the Squats have the longest memories and the shortest tempers. They are uncouth, unpredictably violent, and frequently drunk. Overall, I'm glad they're on our side!
Office of Naval Intelligence Research discovers 3 out of 4 sailors make up 75% of U.S. Navy.
"Madness is like gravity... All you need is a little push."
:Nilla Marines: 2500
:Marine "Scouts": 2500 (Systemically Quarantined, Unsupported, Abhuman, Truncated Soldiers)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/07 14:30:02
Subject: 2016 NFL Thread
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Ensis Ferrae wrote: Peregrine wrote:Besides this game, anyone else getting a bit tired of how much comes down to "was a flag thrown or not"?
There's so much more than just that... For instance, I want clear cut rulings on "what is a catch"... because clearly "the receiver makes a football move" is entirely too nebulous. I'm tired of offensive bias in the open field (ie, receivers get away with quite a bit more than defenders). I'm tired of watching play after play of not borderline holding penalties, I'm talking about blatant and easy to see from orbit calls that aren't being flagged. This is especially bad to me because of the sheer number of times I've seen this happening not a few feet away from the ref, AND replays show that the "penalty" is directly in the official's line of sight.
Yep. Refs stole a 43-yard catch that would've put us at the goal line and a great INT because "two hands were on the ball , but it moved a little when he hit the ground".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/07 14:36:58
Subject: 2016 NFL Thread
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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Way too optimistic man!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/07 20:39:24
Subject: 2016 NFL Thread
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It is sounding like the Vikings are FINALLY going to can Walsh. I hope after the end of this horrible season my Vikings draft an actual O-line that isn't a bunch of cardboard cut outs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/08 03:49:34
Subject: 2016 NFL Thread
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Just to add to the horrible officiating this season: "My" Seahawks got lucky as feth in that Sherman "non-roughing-the-kicker" call
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/08 05:34:57
Subject: 2016 NFL Thread
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Douglas Bader
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Ensis Ferrae wrote:Just to add to the horrible officiating this season: "My" Seahawks got lucky as feth in that Sherman "non-roughing-the-kicker" call
Yeah, what a complete debacle that was. How can they so thoroughly screw up so many different things in such a short time? It's just fortunate the final margin of victory was more than 3 points so it didn't decide the outcome of the game.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/08 05:37:29
Subject: 2016 NFL Thread
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Peregrine wrote: Ensis Ferrae wrote:Just to add to the horrible officiating this season: "My" Seahawks got lucky as feth in that Sherman "non-roughing-the-kicker" call
Yeah, what a complete debacle that was. How can they so thoroughly screw up so many different things in such a short time? It's just fortunate the final margin of victory was more than 3 points so it didn't decide the outcome of the game.
Watching a lot of post-game stuff now (and kind of screwing around instead of doing school work).... and Sherman's own interview, he stated that he tipped the ball, and per the rules, that makes a kicker "fair game" (paraphrasing)
IF Sherman is correct on the rules, and IF Sherman did in fact hit the ball first, and IF the ref saw that tip... then that particular no-call may have been good... but that's a lot of "IFs" right there.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/08 15:37:01
Subject: 2016 NFL Thread
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Ensis Ferrae wrote: Peregrine wrote: Ensis Ferrae wrote:Just to add to the horrible officiating this season: "My" Seahawks got lucky as feth in that Sherman "non-roughing-the-kicker" call
Yeah, what a complete debacle that was. How can they so thoroughly screw up so many different things in such a short time? It's just fortunate the final margin of victory was more than 3 points so it didn't decide the outcome of the game.
Watching a lot of post-game stuff now (and kind of screwing around instead of doing school work).... and Sherman's own interview, he stated that he tipped the ball, and per the rules, that makes a kicker "fair game" (paraphrasing)
IF Sherman is correct on the rules, and IF Sherman did in fact hit the ball first, and IF the ref saw that tip... then that particular no-call may have been good... but that's a lot of "IFs" right there.
Watch the video. Sherman almost tips it, but the kicker hits the ball as Sherman goes by. It doesn't go far due to the kicker having to "pull" the kick to avoid kicking Sherman. Sherman rolled into the kicker instead of landing on his face.
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Of all the races of the universe the Squats have the longest memories and the shortest tempers. They are uncouth, unpredictably violent, and frequently drunk. Overall, I'm glad they're on our side!
Office of Naval Intelligence Research discovers 3 out of 4 sailors make up 75% of U.S. Navy.
"Madness is like gravity... All you need is a little push."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/08 15:46:49
Subject: 2016 NFL Thread
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Lol, I have watched the video, a number of times.... Hence why I finished my previous post with that whole string of "IFs"
Most of the camera angles I've seen are inconclusive as to whether he did, or did not make contact with the ball (in most of the televised views especially, the angle used, the kicker's body blocks the view right at the moment of impact)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/09 19:06:45
Subject: 2016 NFL Thread
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So, after the disappointing week that was Sunday and today, what do people think of the Broncos vs. Saints match up? I'm cautiously optimistic. I'd love a win, but Talib being out til after the Bye week and Wolfe being out for a month terrifies me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/10 16:45:22
Subject: 2016 NFL Thread
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helgrenze wrote:
Watch the video. Sherman almost tips it, but the kicker hits the ball as Sherman goes by. It doesn't go far due to the kicker having to "pull" the kick to avoid kicking Sherman. Sherman rolled into the kicker instead of landing on his face.
picture evidence:
The rules are pretty clear on this as well... because he touched the ball, the kicker becomes fair game. That said, it WAS the fault of the refs for not blowing the play dead sooner.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/10 18:15:07
Subject: 2016 NFL Thread
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Agreed!
I think he certainly touched the ball, so the play went off as it should, right?
I can't remember a time when the refs were such a focus of conversation though.
There are a LOT of bad teams this year, and the overall 'level of play' seems a lot lower too.
That seems like it should be more of the focus of conversation, and is probably one of the major reasons why ratings are down, combined with NFL Overexposure/Oversaturation too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/11 06:43:08
Subject: Re:2016 NFL Thread
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The official rules state otherwise.
"A member of the receiving team may not run into or rough a kicker who kicks from behind his line unless contact is:
(a) Incidental to and after he had touched ball in flight.
(b) Caused by kicker’s own motions.
(c) Occurs during a quick kick, or a kick made after a run behind the line, or after kicker recovers a loose ball on the ground. Ball is loose when kicker muffs snap or snap hits ground.
(d) Defender is blocked into kicker.
The penalty for running into the kicker is 5 yards. For roughing the kicker: 15 yards, an automatic first down and disqualification if flagrant. "
http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/kicksfromscrimmage
The ball is clearly on the ground, not in "flight".
The kicker was hit on his plant leg, meaning his "motions" were not a factor.
Nothing in point c applies.
No-one blocked Sherman.
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Of all the races of the universe the Squats have the longest memories and the shortest tempers. They are uncouth, unpredictably violent, and frequently drunk. Overall, I'm glad they're on our side!
Office of Naval Intelligence Research discovers 3 out of 4 sailors make up 75% of U.S. Navy.
"Madness is like gravity... All you need is a little push."
:Nilla Marines: 2500
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"On one side of me stand my Homeworld, Stronghold and Brotherhood; On the other, my ancestors. I cannot behave otherwise than honorably."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/11 07:14:10
Subject: Re:2016 NFL Thread
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Alternative point: the ball was touched before the kick was made, the player possessing the ball was down by contact, play is over. Part b) would then apply, since the kicker continued on after the play was over and kicked the ball and Sherman rather than accepting that the attempt had failed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/11 07:29:57
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Peregrine wrote:Alternative point: the ball was touched before the kick was made, the player possessing the ball was down by contact, play is over. Part b) would then apply, since the kicker continued on after the play was over and kicked the ball and Sherman rather than accepting that the attempt had failed.
Would be one way of looking at it....
FWIW, nfl.com is reporting that the AP is reporting that the league has fined Sherman for the kick... Fething hell they need to sort the officiating.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/11 14:51:41
Subject: 2016 NFL Thread
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Oh, I think Peregrine's got you there!
Sherman did get there first - play's dead!
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