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Not interested in poll results. There seems to be so much disdain for the 40k rules, would an AoS job on 40k be a desired outcome amognst the 40k discontented.

No. 40k's rules are bad. AoS's rules are arguably the single worst example of incompetence in the entire history of miniature wargaming.

no, age of sigmar represents a line of thought that has, without exception, devestated long running games. the idea that "our games too complex, we need to dumb it down so the younger audicance can grasp it" those younger audiances can grasp stuff fine, the problem is that they'd for the most part rather be playing video games.

Can't really argue with Peregrine even if I would have put it less frankly.

No, AoS is bad and it's developers should feel bad.

If you thought people hated 40k's rules

Wait until you see how people reacted to AoS's rules

Points are fething important. AoS got rid of points and fethed the game over. Also the way the rules are in general also are pretty gakky.

 jasper76 wrote:
Not interested in poll results. There seems to be so much disdain for the 40k rules, would an AoS job on 40k be a desired outcome amognst the 40k discontented.

At this point there isn't much difference.

Between formations, allies, and detachments and whatnot there's basically no meaningful structure to army construction of background adherence and increasingly little relevance to the concept of a points system, with increasingly absurd abilities, freebies, and unit types being made available with just about every release.

If one likes the core idea of the rules, but want them tidied up then AoS would satisfy them - IMO it is a much better, easy to get in and streamlined 40k without losing any tactical depth (which we already know is not in abundance in 40k anyway - the game itself is an excuse for you to collect the models and play out mind fantasies with them). If one doesn't like the game as it is at all then no amount of fixing will satisfy him.

 jasper76 wrote:
Not interested in poll results. There seems to be so much disdain for the 40k rules, would an AoS job on 40k be a desired outcome amongst the 40k discontented.

Why not. A small global rule set and warscrolls for units.

The basic idea of AoS rules is not new nor is it bad.
(it works well for X-Wing too)

But the rules themselves are even worse than the one 40k has and I don't believe GW will do it better the next time

 kodos wrote:
The basic idea of AoS rules is not new nor is it bad.
(it works well for X-Wing too)

What is the basic idea of AoS according to you? I don't understand the x-wing reference,

 kodos wrote:

But the rules themselves are even worse than the one 40k has and I don't believe GW will do it better the next time

Compared to 40k, what aspects of the AoS are worse than 40k? I think that they're close enough so we can compare them. Also let's leave the lack of points out of this please

 CoreCommander wrote:
Also let's leave the lack of points out of this please

Why? Lack of points is a fundamental part of the AoS design concept. If you want to have a discussion about AoS but assume that AoS doesn't suck then we're no longer dealing with reality and I don't see any chance of a constructive discussion. AoS with points is no longer AoS.


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 CoreCommander wrote:
Compared to 40k, what aspects of the AoS are worse than 40k?

Measuring everything based on models, not bases. This creates absurd situations where, for example, a model with a long spear can not turn 180* because the tip of the spear would move more than the model's movement distance, but is free to move and fight backwards. Or where models on sufficiently large or tall bases are immune to melee combat because you can't get the models to touch.

We've kind of got this topic covered here...

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/687740.page