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We all know that time in the warp is different to real space: 10,000 real time years can pass in what feels like a day for some in the warp, and 1 real day can feel like a warp lifetime, blah blah blah. So with this in mind, is there any record of which Chaos Marine has experienced the most number of years in the 10,000 since the HH?
For example in the beginning of the Night Lords series First Claw have only lived through and experienced about 300 years (from Lex so please let me know if incorrect) in the warp from their perspective so they would only have about 500 years experience in total.
But in the Vengeful Spirit HH novel Horus


TL;DR Which CSM has experienced the longest warp period?

gonna take a guess that it's proably Abbadon. as we know he undertook some sort of prilgrimage during the legion wars

As Brian said, probably Abaddon. There may be other Traitor Marines that as old as Abaddon (because it sounds odd to me that Abaddon would be the only one still alive from the GC/HH Era), but I don't know who they are, let alone if they are ever actually named).

The classic, "which ever one the plot demands"?


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but seriously there are tens of thousands of the buggers, make up a name and go from there. But be careful of creating a Mary Sue

In the established fluff is probably Abbadon.


The oldest real time is probably Ahriman, who was born on earth during the unification wars.

Merir Astelan of the Dark Angels is probably up there too- he was a techno-barbarian on Terra before being inducted to the Legion.

 IllumiNini wrote:
As Brian said, probably Abaddon. There may be other Traitor Marines that as old as Abaddon (because it sounds odd to me that Abaddon would be the only one still alive from the GC/HH Era), but I don't know who they are, let alone if they are ever actually named).

Fabis Bile, Kharn, Lucius, Typhus Ahriman.

There are plenty still alive, but as noted Abbadon has essentially replicated Horus' journey and has therefore presumably seen 'longer'.

Ahriman is probably hardest to judge as - at least as far as the Ahriman series is concerned - he seems to have given up even trying to do things in chronological order..... Answer unclear, ask again later (if you can figure out when 'later' is for him!)

IA13, page 16, under Rites of Death:

Most Chaos Space Marines are veterans of the Long War.

That is pretty interesting.

 Ashiraya wrote:
IA13, page 16, under Rites of Death:

Most Chaos Space Marines are veterans of the Long War.

That is pretty interesting.

This is how I have always taken it, there are 3 types of CSM

- Original Rebels from the HH
- More recent traitors from after the HH (later founding chapters etc which have turned traitor)
- New recruits into the traitor legion (geneseed implanted via fabius bile style methods into humans - corrupted or otherwise)

locarno24 wrote:
There are plenty still alive, but as noted Abbadon has essentially replicated Horus' journey and has therefore presumably seen 'longer'.

Ahriman is probably hardest to judge as - at least as far as the Ahriman series is concerned - he seems to have given up even trying to do things in chronological order..... Answer unclear, ask again later (if you can figure out when 'later' is for him!)

I didnt know Abby had done the same journey. Does it say why he isnt a god like Horus and the Big E became?

 JustALittleOrkish wrote:

locarno24 wrote:
There are plenty still alive, but as noted Abbadon has essentially replicated Horus' journey and has therefore presumably seen 'longer'.

Ahriman is probably hardest to judge as - at least as far as the Ahriman series is concerned - he seems to have given up even trying to do things in chronological order..... Answer unclear, ask again later (if you can figure out when 'later' is for him!)

I didnt know Abby had done the same journey. Does it say why he isnt a god like Horus and the Big E became?

it proably wasn't the same journy, but that said the man DID best a Primarch in mortal combat. only a empty clone sure and thus proably not as skilled as the original, but a primarch none the less

Wasn't the Horus clones soulless and without Horus' experience and wargear?

Abaddon is supposed to be an absolute beast in the background. Trouble is, he's been around 18 years now and as the fluff hasn't moved, he's become a joke to many. In terms of accomplishments, Abaddon. Range of experience and influence, Abaddon. Experience with all things psychic, Ahriman.

I know in Dead Sky Black Sun, an Ultramarines novel, Iron Warriors were using kidnapped women bloated and deformed to ridiculous proportions to spit out CSM without skin, which they then attached skin to and slapped armour on. Which I suppose means that there are new CSM being created all the time/whenever they start to run out. That being said I guess these are the generic CSM that get shot up in the books and the ones that get dialogue would all be alive from the HH.

Also, not sure if this is fluff accurate but Eliphas was a sergeant during the Horus Heresy so I imagine he's probably around Abbadon's age.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Wasn't the Horus clones soulless and without Horus' experience and wargear?

he has most of Horus' war gear IIRC, except for the Talon. and yeah the experiance isn't there, but physically Abbaddon was still fighting a PRIMARCH. impressive no matter how you look at it

Naturally.

isn't Kor Phaeron still alive?

BrianDavion wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Wasn't the Horus clones soulless and without Horus' experience and wargear?

he has most of Horus' war gear IIRC, except for the Talon. and yeah the experiance isn't there, but physically Abbaddon was still fighting a PRIMARCH. impressive no matter how you look at it

It wasn't a fight. The Horus clone didn't attempt to fight Abaddon at all. Abaddon simply stabbed the clone with Horus' own Talon, and that killed him. If the clone had actually put up a fight then obviously Abaddon would have been paste.

either: abbadon, Ahriman, or Kharn (the last 2 being around for the unification of terra)

Wasn't there a bunch of degenerate Horus Clones that Abaddon had to slay, or has that been retroactively contradicted?

nareik wrote:
Wasn't there a bunch of degenerate Horus Clones that Abaddon had to slay, or has that been retroactively contradicted?

Spoiler from the Talon of Horus Black Legion series:

 Exergy wrote:
isn't Kor Phaeron still alive?

He is still alive, but he isn't a full marine, so its difficult to say he might be the most experienced CSM.

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

 Exergy wrote:
isn't Kor Phaeron still alive?

He is still alive, but he isn't a full marine, so its difficult to say he might be the most experienced CSM.

Yeah I guess he is part of the CSM faction but isnt really a CSM.

Come to think of it, Fabulous Bill is a CSM and he spent a lot of time outside the Warp.

Neither one of these guys is the most experienced in combat, but they certainly have experienced a lot.

Fabulous Bile is the most experienced Apothecary in the entire Galaxy, if you give what he wants he will make you an army. He is the one who cloned Horus after all.

Kor Isn't a full marine. Neither is Luther, and he might well be the oldest because he's never been in the warp. In fact he's barely left the rock.


But then again, maybe he is the oldest loyalist marine (dun dun dun)

 welshhoppo wrote:
Fabulous Bile is the most experienced Apothecary in the entire Galaxy, if you give what he wants he will make you an army. He is the one who cloned Horus after all.

Fabius Bile is the real Scumbag Steve of 40k. Most experienced and accomplished Apothecary in the entire Galaxy, but will he share his FNP with his squad members? Nope.

Abaddon has a top spot. What about typhus the deathguard etc. Granted there not normal but durable as hell and id guess imune to age full stop.

How would Cypher fair in this? I'm not very educated on his fluff, but I would assume he's seen a lot I'm his travels, (though I have seen some people claim that Cypher isn't really a person, but a title, and there have been several Cyphers, all doing the same mysterious work). Of course, he may not even be a CSM at all, but I figured I'd ask, as he hasn't really been mentioned much.