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Once again folks, veering off topic!!

Whether you think Schilling is a bigot has no bearing on this discussion. Stay on topic please.

Someone being fired for bigoted remarks makes the person fired being or not being a bigot completely on topic.

 LordofHats wrote:
Someone being fired for bigoted remarks makes the person fired being or not being a bigot completely on topic.

So everyone who thinks a Transgender Female should pee in a Men's bathroom is a Bigot? Is that what you're saying?

Yes or no question, buddy.

Mdlbuildr wrote:
So everyone who thinks a Transgender Female should pee in a Men's bathroom is a Bigot? Is that what you're saying?

Yes or no question, buddy.

I think everyone who broaches that issue in the way Schilling broached it is bigoted.

 oldravenman3025 wrote:
But in this country, he has the right to express views that some might find distasteful without retaliation.

That isn't how freedom of speech works. Like, at all.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 oldravenman3025 wrote:
But in this country, he has the right to express views that some might find distasteful without retaliation.

That isn't how freedom of speech works. Like, at all.

Please enlighten us on how Freedom of Speech works, then. Thanks.

Idiots gonna idiot. Wasn't the first, won't be the last.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

Also, it's important to remember that ESPN, like any company, can decided what they deem as acceptable conduct from their employees and there is nothing saying it's an 'all or nothing' proposition. So you can either accept and understand that or continue to cry into your beer about how the mean company fired the unapologetic bigot for his inflammatory bs.

Also, I do seem to recall that ESPN is on the "same" side as the dude's shirt.... They've been somewhat against the Indians, Redskins, and to a lesser extent, the Braves. As such, their response, which was to force him to cover up over commercial break was acceptable, just as firing an unapologetic bigot was acceptable.

Mdlbuildr wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 oldravenman3025 wrote:
But in this country, he has the right to express views that some might find distasteful without retaliation.

That isn't how freedom of speech works. Like, at all.

Please enlighten us on how Freedom of Speech works, then. Thanks.

Tip #1: it doesn't prevent private companies from being able to terminate your contract when you do stuff you said you wouldn't do.

Mdlbuildr wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 oldravenman3025 wrote:
But in this country, he has the right to express views that some might find distasteful without retaliation.

That isn't how freedom of speech works. Like, at all.

Please enlighten us on how Freedom of Speech works, then. Thanks.

Person A has the right to say what they will.

Person B has the right to react. The reaction is just as much an exercise of free speech as any previous statement.

In this case, "Person B" happens to be ESPN, and they reacted by firing a bigoted idiot.

Keep in mind, and I know it's been gone over ad nauseam in the US Politics thread (I can't exactly fault anyone for reading every page of that thread to see where), but the 1st amendment protects your individual right to say just about anything. It does not protect you from the consequences of things you say.

 LordofHats wrote:

Mdlbuildr wrote:
So everyone who thinks a Transgender Female should pee in a Men's bathroom is a Bigot? Is that what you're saying?

Yes or no question, buddy.

I think everyone who broaches that issue in the way Schilling broached it is bigoted.

LOL, nice try. How about you answer the question directly instead of how someone running for President would answer it. Yes or no? It's a simple question.

Mdlbuildr wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:

Mdlbuildr wrote:
So everyone who thinks a Transgender Female should pee in a Men's bathroom is a Bigot? Is that what you're saying?

Yes or no question, buddy.

I think everyone who broaches that issue in the way Schilling broached it is bigoted.

LOL, nice try. How about you answer the question directly instead of how someone running for President would answer it. Yes or no? It's a simple question.

Tip #2: he has the freedom to answer your question anyway he wants.

Mdlbuildr wrote:
Yes or no? It's a simple question.

You can beg that question all you want, but it's the wrong question.

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 LordofHats wrote:

Mdlbuildr wrote:
Yes or no? It's a simple question.

You can beg that question all you want, but it's the wrong question.

Not prepared to make a stance, huh? I understand.

Its actually without fear of government censorship or restraint

I didn't realize that ESPN is a governmental organization.

Well crap

Mdlbuildr wrote:


LOL THAT'S not how Freedom of Speech works AT ALL.

THIS is what Freedom of Speech actually IS:

free·dom of speech
noun
the right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint.

So at ESPN, there is no Freedom of Speech. They will censor you by firing your ass.

LMAO... you're funny....

So tell me, what branch does ESPN fall under? DOJ, DOT, DOD? Which senator is the chairperson of the special committee which controls them?

Erm..you still do realize that freedom of expression is still government only right?

Gah!!!

Mdlbuildr wrote:
Not prepared to make a stance, huh? I understand.

My stance is stated. Whether you accept it or not is on you.

Freedom of Expression is Freedom of Speech.

Aren't you trying to suppress people's freedom of expression in another thread this very moment?

 LordofHats wrote:


My stance is stated. Whether you accept it or not is on you.

Your stance is that if someone thinks that the meme Schilling posted about Transgender women and that they should pee in the men's bathroom is the way it should be, that person who agrees with the meme is a bigot?

Is that about right?

I don't even know if I know what I just wrote, but if your answer to that question is yes, then you sir, are equally a bigot! If you are intolerant of others' views on the matter, you are certainly and indeed a bigot, since of course, that's what a bigot is.

This guy was fired over a video he posted on YouTube so it's not just ESPN

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/03/29/remember-the-guy-who-got-fired-for-posting-a-video-berating-a-chick-fil-a-employee-he-says-his-familys-living-on-food-stamps/

 plastictrees wrote:
Yes, 'Transgender people are monsters' is definitely an opinion that needs to be protected....for diversity!

That article is absurd. Describing the passive opposition to potential racism as equivalent to ham fisted scare mongering. Which part of that article did you think was 'worth a read'.

/thread

what an idiot.

Curt shilling is a fething d-bag. I posit that I listen and watch more baseball than 90% of you. The man comes off as a condiscending a-hole with no respect for others.


Just my 2 cents

Mdlbuildr wrote:
meme Schilling posted about Transgender women

First, it's not a meme unless we classify "pics on the internet" as a meme which seems like a stretch.

Second the picture is blatantly insulting. There are ways to disagree with the current trend of allowing people to use the bathroom of preference (South Park has a marvelous episode on the subject). Posting a picture of Danny DeVito wearing... Whatever that is I don't watch Sunny, and acting like that's what transgender women look like while simultaneously implying transgender women are pedophiles after daughters is bigoted.

Mdlbuildr wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:


My stance is stated. Whether you accept it or not is on you.

Your stance is that if someone thinks that the meme Schilling posted about Transgender women and that they should pee in the men's bathroom is the way it should be, that person who agrees with the meme is a bigot?

Actually, the meme in question is bigoted for a few reason.

A) It does not even remotely show a transgender person. Again, that is Danny Devito. So they took the worst trashiest picture they could find of cross dressing and tried to pass it off as being trans gendered.

B) It does not take in to account gender as it is currently defined. It only uses the biblical(?) definition of Man and Woman.

C) It is a meme meant to inspire anger towards a specific group of people.

But you know, whatever, keep ignoring facts.

 kronk wrote:
The man comes off as a condiscending a-hole with no respect...

Funny that ESPN didn't fire him for being that way though, huh?


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 Dreadwinter wrote:


Actually, the meme in question is bigoted for a few reason.

A) It does not even remotely show a transgender person. Again, that is Danny Devito. So they took the worst trashiest picture they could find of cross dressing and tried to pass it off as being trans gendered.

B) It does not take in to account gender as it is currently defined. It only uses the biblical(?) definition of Man and Woman.

C) It is a meme meant to inspire anger towards a specific group of people.

But you know, whatever, keep ignoring facts.

OOOOORRRR maybe it was big fat freaking JOKE. Some found funny and other's didn't. Poor taste, maybe. Firing offense? Not so much, no.

Oh now, we both know it wasn't a joke. Stop trying to move the goalpost.

"IT WAS ALL A JOKE GUYS YOU ARE SO THIN SKINNED! GOSH!"