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I rather like the Stormhawk looks. I was going to buy a Nephilim fighter to convert in to something for 30k but now I am thinking of converting the Stormhawk into something for 30k.

Even with the price hike, the Hawk of Storming is cheaper then the Nephilim.

Allegedly the Stormhawk runs 150 pts with the Icarus, TL HB, and TL Assault Cannons. Stats are 12/11/11 with Agile and Supersonic. The Las-Talon costs 25 pts and the HB can be upgraded for the same prices as the Stormtalon. Of true, I think 155 pts for the base version with SMLs added is a great setup.

 EnTyme wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Sorry that your Tau didn't get anything new, Sid!

Well I guess there was that massive release last year and the campaign books and FSE stuff, but yeah, this sucks.

I've just really been wanting the plastic barracuda to happen for so long, it's a cool design that unfortunately just wasn't worth it at triple digits. I was really hoping it would happen back in 2013 and was incredibly disappointed we got that ugly POS that we did instead. I was hoping the barracuda going OOP would lead to a plastic release, but I guess not. There's really no excuse not to anymore, with the FW barracuda being effectively retired there's no argument that GW would be cannibalizing their own sales by doing it.

I often see this in threads about upcoming releases and wishlisting, etc. Something along the lines of "I would love to see (FW model "X") released in plastic". I'm pretty new to the hobby, so I'm curious if this is a common thing. Does GW regularly re-release FW models?

It's a kinda/sorta thing.

Sometimes GW will just release a FW kit in plastic(Skyray, Piranha, Valkyrie, some of the Baneblade variants) and other times they'll take a FW unit and do their own 'pattern' of it(the craptastic Hydra and Manticores for Guard).

I can't think of any that have been done very lately, but that doesn't mean it cannot happen again.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's a kinda/sorta thing.

Sometimes GW will just release a FW kit in plastic(Skyray, Piranha, Valkyrie, some of the Baneblade variants) and other times they'll take a FW unit and do their own 'pattern' of it(the craptastic Hydra and Manticores for Guard).

I can't think of any that have been done very lately, but that doesn't mean it cannot happen again.

The most recent is probably the Calth set. Cataphractii Terminator Armor and the Contemptor are basically just the FW sculpts modified to allow plastic casting. And with a near direct port of the FW rules for the contemptor.

I hope this new "roles" thing is meaningful, and opens up some space for other races to get multiple fliers. It would be nice to see the Valkyrie/Vendetta being dropped from a heavily armored deathbird with transport capacity to a troop carrier with ground assault capabilities. It would be great if the Void Raven bomber was a better ground attack craft than the Razorwing, and the Sun Shark bomber not being better at shooting down aircraft than the Razorshark fighter.

Do we know all flyers are getting new rules or just getting dog fighting rules added to their profile?

Probably the later because that's the easiest thing to do. I hope all the fliers get new rules and rebalanced but I really really really doubt it.

It's still a little short and squished looking, but this is a vast improvement over the Stormtalon.

 BrookM wrote:
If we're wishlisting I'll repost what I wanted from the other thread: Thunderbolt!

Oh hell yeah.

To be on topic though, this is a great timed release considering my Stormtalon just became terrain. Stormhawk looks like what the talon should have been. Anyways, I am just skimming so, has a price been set or rumored for this little fellow yet?

 Stormwall wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
If we're wishlisting I'll repost what I wanted from the other thread: Thunderbolt!

Oh hell yeah.

To be on topic though, this is a great timed release considering my Stormtalon just became terrain. Stormhawk looks like what the talon should have been. Anyways, I am just skimming so, has a price been set or rumored for this little fellow yet?

55$ Confirmed

Ugh... Stormhawk is ugly. Although I think that's mostly the cockpit. Would probably look considerably better with the talon canopy instead.


Ork flyer is the bomb. Love everything about it, and want to have its babies.

 insaniak wrote:
Ugh... Stormhawk is ugly. Although I think that's mostly the cockpit. Would probably look considerably better with the talon canopy instead.


Ork flyer is the bomb. Love everything about it, and want to have its babies.

I don't think you will be able to make the old cockpit work on the Hawk. The part the nosegun attaches to is probably on the new front fuselage. Could still kitbash it together I am sure.

Apparently the reason it's a different cockpit is because the Stormhawk is launched from orbiting craft rather than being something that can be launched from bases on the ground.

Stormhawk has no conventional landing gear as well for the same reason.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I don't think you will be able to make the old cockpit work on the Hawk. The part the nosegun attaches to is probably on the new front fuselage. Could still kitbash it together I am sure.

The entire cockpit section is a separate piece on the talon, and the armour sourounding the hawk cockpit appears to be exactly the same shape as on the talon.

So it looks like the cockpits should be completely interchangeable.


But even if they're not... they're similar enough that it would be a simple conversion.


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 Kanluwen wrote:
Apparently the reason it's a different cockpit is because the Stormhawk is launched from orbiting craft rather than being something that can be launched from bases on the ground..

That makes no sense... all of GW's other space-going craft have windows.


I had assumed it was just part of the 'heavier armour' thing.

All of GW's other space-going craft aren't diving nosefirst from orbit on intercepts.

Thunderhawks function as both space-going shuttles and orbital landers.

 insaniak wrote:
Thunderhawks function as both space-going shuttles and orbital landers.

Yes, they do. And we've had the fluff for awhile now that they've got heat shielding on their bellies-kinda like the space shuttle.

I mean, it all comes down to "hurp they're trying to handwave it" but it kinda/sorta makes a bit of sense to me that the single man craft that drops from orbit to intercept enemy flyers is going to have heat shielding and a fully enclosed cockpit rather than just the 'standard' setup of an atmospheric craft or something that comes in like the space shuttle did(belly down, angling as it approaches to ensure it doesn't screw up).

 insaniak wrote:
Ork flyer is the bomb. Love everything about it, and want to have its babies.

Hahaha

And yeah, agreed - it is killer!!

 RiTides wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
Ork flyer is the bomb. Love everything about it, and want to have its babies.

Hahaha

And yeah, agreed - it is killer!!

Finally! Something orky I can spend money on! Wahoooo!

I was dreaming that we'd get the 'uge bombers from Aeronautica Imperialis in 40K scale, but a mekboy bommer is ace! Now if GW would just make it possible to buy Deff Koptas again (not that I need more of those either).

Oh yay, another ugly space marine flyer, and more rules bloat with an entire new phase dedicated to flyers. We can only hope the rules aren't the utter garbage of the original Death From The Skies book, which made AoS look like a deep and well-designed game.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
Ugh... Stormhawk is ugly. Although I think that's mostly the cockpit. Would probably look considerably better with the talon canopy instead.


Ork flyer is the bomb. Love everything about it, and want to have its babies.

I don't think you will be able to make the old cockpit work on the Hawk. The part the nosegun attaches to is probably on the new front fuselage. Could still kitbash it together I am sure.

It states in one of the paragraphs that this has the Stormtalon sprue in it apparently? Not sure if I am a fan of that. Would rather it be a separate kit for cheaper.

Dual kits at the way of things now. Saves on shelf space and inventory.

 insaniak wrote:
Dual kits at the way of things now. Saves on shelf space and inventory.

Assuming they take the original box away and not do it like with knights.

Nah, I would expect that the original knight is only available for a long as they have stock packaged in the warehouse. Once it sells through, it will be quietly deleted.

 insaniak wrote:
Dual kits at the way of things now. Saves on shelf space and inventory.

You are right, they have been. I'm pretty sure the razorback and knight are the same way, as it has a rhino/other knight variants in it, etc. Without one, you couldn't build the other technically. The real reason for that post, and I should have clarified was that the post I quoted was about the stormtalon canopy instead of the up armored version.

Since they supply it, and they are very close to being the same kit, I don't think much converting would be required. Just some part swaps, maybe some cutting to get the normal canopy on the Stormhawk.

If that makes sense.

 insaniak wrote:
Nah, I would expect that the original knight is only available for a long as they have stock packaged in the warehouse. Once it sells through, it will be quietly deleted.

Been there quite a while so even then I don't expect existing fliers to go away in a hurry if they follow same pattern.

Voidraven Bomber please be awesome!

I love the model! and MAYBE it will finally get rules according to its fluff

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
It's still a little short and squished looking, but this is a vast improvement over the Stormtalon.

I actually prefer the Stormtalon. I think the mistake a lot of people make is viewing the Stormtalon as a jet fighter like an F-15 when in fact it's an attack helicopter, it's the equivilant of an Apache gunship. It even has rules that boost it when in hover mode, and has a very similar armament.

 General Kroll wrote:
I think the mistake a lot of people make is viewing the Stormtalon as a jet fighter like an F-15 when in fact it's an attack helicopter, it's the equivilant of an Apache gunship..

No, I don't think that's the problem that most people have with it at all. It's fairly obviously supposed to be a helicopter analogue.

The problem that people have with it is from still, despite all prior experience, expecting Imperial aircraft to look at least vaguely aerodromic.

Putting wings on it helps alleviate the front-heaviness of the design.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
Thunderhawks function as both space-going shuttles and orbital landers.

Yes, they do. And we've had the fluff for awhile now that they've got heat shielding on their bellies-kinda like the space shuttle.

I mean, it all comes down to "hurp they're trying to handwave it" but it kinda/sorta makes a bit of sense to me that the single man craft that drops from orbit to intercept enemy flyers is going to have heat shielding and a fully enclosed cockpit rather than just the 'standard' setup of an atmospheric craft or something that comes in like the space shuttle did(belly down, angling as it approaches to ensure it doesn't screw up).

Aren't Thunderbolts also frequently launched from space and then dive in to the atmosphere to fight? I'm sure I've read something to that effect in the Aeronautica Imperialis book.

 insaniak wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I don't think you will be able to make the old cockpit work on the Hawk. The part the nosegun attaches to is probably on the new front fuselage. Could still kitbash it together I am sure.

The entire cockpit section is a separate piece on the talon, and the armour sourounding the hawk cockpit appears to be exactly the same shape as on the talon.

So it looks like the cockpits should be completely interchangeable.


But even if they're not... they're similar enough that it would be a simple conversion.

The issue is the attachment point for the nosegun. The cockpits absolutely are interchangeable, but the Icarus Stormcannon mount is probably not compatible with the original cockpit. Shouldn't be too hard to fix though.