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Oh god. I just got the models for the BA spearhead formation (the one with 3 stormravens). They arrive turn one. Which means my opponent will have air superiority and my reserves (the whole reason to play this formation) will get delayed. Damn you GW! Don't ruin my army before I get to use it! Hopefully there is an advantage to having your flyers arrive before your opponent or as others have said, this supplement gets ignored like the last "death from the skies". Funny how the community just automatically accepted stronghold assault but rejected death from the skies. Even the major tournaments.
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mercury14 wrote: If only one wants to skip though, the other can try to force it.
Then don't play that person. Simple as that.
I don't think it's meant as a case of someone trying to force you to play the death from the skies rule set. I think if you've agreed to play the rule set, you can still try to refuse to take part in the dog fight, ie you can try to evade it. You roll off and if the other guy catches you, he catches you.
From that standpoint it sounds kind of fun. I can definitely see where they were trying to go with all this, a lot of it seems to sound like it has potential to be a good idea. But when you put it into the practicalities of an already fairly complicated game, I think it's just going to be too much.
I might get this, I might not. I really haven't decided yet.
2016/04/30 09:27:09
Subject: Re:Flyers Coming This Summer : Pics in OP!
mercury14 wrote: If only one wants to skip though, the other can try to force it.
Then don't play that person. Simple as that.
I don't think it's meant as a case of someone trying to force you to play the death from the skies rule set. I think if you've agreed to play the rule set, you can still try to refuse to take part in the dog fight, ie you can try to evade it. You roll off and if the other guy catches you, he catches you.
From that standpoint it sounds kind of fun. I can definitely see where they were trying to go with all this, a lot of it seems to sound like it has potential to be a good idea. But when you put it into the practicalities of an already fairly complicated game, I think it's just going to be too much.
I might get this, I might not. I really haven't decided yet.
Oh, I think I understand now. I thought the poster was saying the other player would force things in that they would throw a tantrum if the other player didn't use the rules. This makes a lot more sense.
Looks to be a disappointing book and model release. Not sure yet if I'll bother picking up the new Ork flyer. Quite disappointing that it also means the other flyer kits get bumped up in price even though they won't be using the added sprue.
Don't think anyone knows at this point. I'd be interested to see how Nids are treated, since all their stuff is made up of living organisms. Necrons only have a strike fighter and a troop transport at the moment, but I'd love to see how the Night Shroud bomber ends up.
Don't think anyone knows at this point. I'd be interested to see how Nids are treated, since all their stuff is made up of living organisms. Necrons only have a strike fighter and a troop transport at the moment, but I'd love to see how the Night Shroud bomber ends up.
Oh? I thought it was already confirmed no FMCs, just flying vehicles?
Just finished buying, assembling, and priming 4 Stormtalons for 2 Raptors wing formations.
And now nurfing them after ONE game.
Well played GW. Well played.
Also, while we're at it, here is the arbitrary CSM whine about knocking the Heldrake even further out of the sky and off the tables.... now we have ZERO anti air.
Nightlord1987 wrote: Just finished buying, assembling, and priming 4 Stormtalons for 2 Raptors wing formations.
And now nurfing them after ONE game.
Well played GW. Well played.
Also, while we're at it, here is the arbitrary CSM whine about knocking the Heldrake even further out of the sky and off the tables.... now we have ZERO anti air.
If the rules are clunky or bad (which is what seems to be the case so far) I think most people will ignore the supplement and just use the rules for the two new flyers if they are taken. Rock, paper, scissors dog fights isn't exactly an interesting mechanic.
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It's not an interesting mechanic but it amounts to a nice buff for flyers.
Now you have a reason to take flyers (reserve bonus and penalty for opponent) and a thing for them to do in reserves (shoot at each other if desired). I'm glad it's not super complex.
And I like the new Ork flyer. If bombers get ignores cover or something like it I'll be happy as a clam with my blitza bommer.
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Nightlord1987 wrote: Just finished buying, assembling, and priming 4 Stormtalons for 2 Raptors wing formations.
And now nurfing them after ONE game.
Well played GW. Well played.
Also, while we're at it, here is the arbitrary CSM whine about knocking the Heldrake even further out of the sky and off the tables.... now we have ZERO anti air.
Chaos marines have the Hellblade fighter, Hellblade Fighter-Bomber, Heldrake, and the Blight Drone. Plus AA missiles on missile launchers. Hardly ZERO AA.
Nightlord1987 wrote: Just finished buying, assembling, and priming 4 Stormtalons for 2 Raptors wing formations.
And now nurfing them after ONE game.
Well played GW. Well played.
Also, while we're at it, here is the arbitrary CSM whine about knocking the Heldrake even further out of the sky and off the tables.... now we have ZERO anti air.
Chaos marines have the Hellblade fighter, Hellblade Fighter-Bomber, Heldrake, and the Blight Drone. Plus AA missiles on missile launchers. Hardly ZERO AA.
And how many of those are actually featured in the new supplement? And really, Flakk missiles? They cost a bomb and only put out a single S7 shot.
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Nightlord1987 wrote: Just finished buying, assembling, and priming 4 Stormtalons for 2 Raptors wing formations.
And now nurfing them after ONE game.
Well played GW. Well played.
Also, while we're at it, here is the arbitrary CSM whine about knocking the Heldrake even further out of the sky and off the tables.... now we have ZERO anti air.
Hopefully the Stormtalons will still be a good little unit. Especially in that formation. Strafing run will be their saving grace.
the_scotsman wrote: It's not an interesting mechanic but it amounts to a nice buff for flyers.
Now you have a reason to take flyers (reserve bonus and penalty for opponent) and a thing for them to do in reserves (shoot at each other if desired). I'm glad it's not super complex.
The reserve penalty/bonus is deeply underwhelming. Opponents can simply not have reserves and even if they do, it's only a 1/6 chance that this will make a difference. And drop pods mostly come in turn 1 no matter what.
If these rules allowed flyers to take shots at drop pods on their way in, that would have been something. This is a major missed opportunity for GW to have done something cool, interesting, and strategic. Instead we got a dumb scissors-paper-rock chart and an underwhelming Air Superiority feature.
Does Gauss glancing not work on snap shots? Been ages since I played against Necrons so I can't remember.
Yes, but tesla multiple hits don't. It used to be worth snap firing tesla destructors from Annihilation Barges. Not quite as good as an actual skyifire weapon, but better than the nothing they now have.
Does Gauss glancing not work on snap shots? Been ages since I played against Necrons so I can't remember.
Yes, but tesla multiple hits don't. It used to be worth snap firing tesla destructors from Annihilation Barges. Not quite as good as an actual skyifire weapon, but better than the nothing they now have.
Okay. I knew about the tesla snapshot nerf but thought that maybe they had changed Gauss as well.
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My hats off to GW. A great looking sm flyer that I really want. All of the previous ones (excluding FW) were too ugly to find a place on my gaming board, let alone fly.
A Town Called Malus wrote: And really, Flakk missiles? They cost a bomb and only put out a single S7 shot.
That's a single S7 shot more than Necrons now have. Tesla used to be their anti-air, but that was nerfed too...
Does Gauss glancing not work on snap shots? Been ages since I played against Necrons so I can't remember.
It does work, but tesla isn't gauss. Tesla used to be a decent solution for ground based anti air, as you generated more hits on a 6, which is what snap shots were.
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Did we still get any confirmation if the new fighter can be taken by all or are GK / BA stuck with stormraven?
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I'm going to guess not, but I'm assuming you can just bring a flyer formation of them.
My guess is based on the fact that the only formation involving them in the book also includes the SM only stormtalon.
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