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2016/05/01 13:23:52
Subject: Re:Flyers Coming This Summer : Pics in OP!
mercury14 wrote: Okay so the Dark Eldar formation requires two Razorwings and a Void Raven Bomber... and the bonus is interceptor.
Except when it wants to use interceptor it's at crappy BS3 because most stuff will be on the ground (drop pods, etc). Not only that but interceptor doesn't work turn one on pods (or turn 2 if you go second) because the fliers will be in reserve.
Wow. Terrible. How could they not think this through even a little bit?
That's because they give rules based on what seems more "cinematic" to them. They just sort of envision a scene playing out in their mind's eye and then give rules based on what sounds appropriate. So they think of a wing of agile Dark Eldar aircraft intercepting some ponderous Ork bombers and decide "Interceptor" is the rule to go with (afterall it says "intercept" right there in the name - that's what it must do right?).
The fact that the game mechanics prevent this from actually having any efficacy on the tabletop isn't really relevant. I'm sure they don't even get far enough in the "playtesting" to realize this. That's probably already more effort than they want to expend on a throwaway dataslate for a throwaway faction like Dark Eldar anyway.
2016/05/01 13:40:43
Subject: Flyers Coming This S(pring) : Pics in OP!
Automatically Appended Next Post: I actually start to like these rules. They might be poorly executed but the idea of fliers with different roles on the battlefield really appeal to me.
Automatically Appended Next Post: The only other downside is the price :\
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2016/05/01 14:53:49
Subject: Flyers Coming This S(pring) : Pics in OP!
What kills me is that now the gap between FMC's and the rest is even wider! They are still hard to hit, and while fliers lost ground cover they still laugh at the rules with toe in cover all while being able to move shorter minimum distances shooting 360 degrees all while still having the convenience of picking skyfire or ground fire at no penalty to BS.... WTF.
Can we please get a FMC supplement next
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, and I forgot they now seem to be safe in reserve while in the air!
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Red Corsair wrote: What kills me is that now the gap between FMC's and the rest is even wider! They are still hard to hit, and while fliers lost ground cover they still laugh at the rules with toe in cover all while being able to move shorter minimum distances shooting 360 degrees all while still having the convenience of picking skyfire or ground fire at no penalty to BS.... WTF.
Can we please get a FMC supplement next
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, and I forgot they now seem to be safe in reserve while in the air!
You're starting to sound like a Chaos player with that amount complaining...
2016/05/01 16:52:33
Subject: Flyers Coming This S(pring) : Pics in OP!
Red Corsair wrote: What kills me is that now the gap between FMC's and the rest is even wider! They are still hard to hit, and while fliers lost ground cover they still laugh at the rules with toe in cover all while being able to move shorter minimum distances shooting 360 degrees all while still having the convenience of picking skyfire or ground fire at no penalty to BS.... WTF.
Can we please get a FMC supplement next
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, and I forgot they now seem to be safe in reserve while in the air!
You're starting to sound like a Chaos player with that amount complaining...
Well they do haev things it complain about - given this is yet another - give the Marines new stuff supplement - I remmeber the halicon days when my Astartes only had Thunderhawks in the fluff..........now look at the crap they have to fly
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I am hoping they post all of their flyers on the website with full stats so everyone has access. It would be so nice to live in a world where we don't have to buy the same book again and again when they decide to add stuff out of nowhere...
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Red Corsair wrote: What kills me is that now the gap between FMC's and the rest is even wider! They are still hard to hit, and while fliers lost ground cover they still laugh at the rules with toe in cover all while being able to move shorter minimum distances shooting 360 degrees all while still having the convenience of picking skyfire or ground fire at no penalty to BS.... WTF.
Can we please get a FMC supplement next
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, and I forgot they now seem to be safe in reserve while in the air!
You're starting to sound like a Chaos player with that amount complaining...
Well they do haev things it complain about - given this is yet another - give the Marines new stuff supplement - I remmeber the halicon days when my Astartes only had Thunderhawks in the fluff..........now look at the crap they have to fly
As a Chaos player, I totally agree. He was pointing out how Chaos players whine in every thread a few pages back. With all his complaining about FMC, it seemed fitting
2016/05/01 18:39:43
Subject: Flyers Coming This S(pring) : Pics in OP!
Red Corsair wrote: What kills me is that now the gap between FMC's and the rest is even wider! They are still hard to hit, and while fliers lost ground cover they still laugh at the rules with toe in cover all while being able to move shorter minimum distances shooting 360 degrees all while still having the convenience of picking skyfire or ground fire at no penalty to BS.... WTF.
Can we please get a FMC supplement next
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, and I forgot they now seem to be safe in reserve while in the air!
On the other hand, tyranids, daemons and CSM need all the help they can get. Saying FMCs are unfairly good is really taking things out of context.
Red Corsair wrote: What kills me is that now the gap between FMC's and the rest is even wider! They are still hard to hit, and while fliers lost ground cover they still laugh at the rules with toe in cover all while being able to move shorter minimum distances shooting 360 degrees all while still having the convenience of picking skyfire or ground fire at no penalty to BS.... WTF.
Can we please get a FMC supplement next
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, and I forgot they now seem to be safe in reserve while in the air!
On the other hand, tyranids, daemons and CSM need all the help they can get. Saying FMCs are unfairly good is really taking things out of context.
Nah, Chaos & Tyranids are the most OP armies in the game, and it's great that we have new rules to feth them over!
2016/05/02 00:39:07
Subject: Flyers Coming This S(pring) : Pics in OP!
Red Corsair wrote: What kills me is that now the gap between FMC's and the rest is even wider! They are still hard to hit, and while fliers lost ground cover they still laugh at the rules with toe in cover all while being able to move shorter minimum distances shooting 360 degrees all while still having the convenience of picking skyfire or ground fire at no penalty to BS.... WTF.
Can we please get a FMC supplement next
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, and I forgot they now seem to be safe in reserve while in the air!
You're starting to sound like a Chaos player with that amount complaining...
Well they do haev things it complain about - given this is yet another - give the Marines new stuff supplement - I remmeber the halicon days when my Astartes only had Thunderhawks in the fluff..........now look at the crap they have to fly
As a Chaos player, I totally agree. He was pointing out how Chaos players whine in every thread a few pages back. With all his complaining about FMC, it seemed fitting
I have played chaos since 2nd and I have always been embarrassed by the amount of whining chaos players bring to these threads, that however doesn't mean legitimate gripes can't be heard. How many threads have been hijacked by concerns over FMC's? Exactly.
I think Chaos are over due for an update, but at this point until the WHOLE codex gets a rewrite from the ground up we are stuck in a standstill. So for me, the griping in every thread is better saved for when or should they fail at an attempt in a new codex. That will have to wait until they do however. For now it is just pissing in everyone elses cheerios.
According to what we know, the helldrake is no worse off then any number of fliers. In fact it is better off against ground targets then any fighter class, the razorwing jetfighter got absolutely hosed, not the helldrake.
Red Corsair wrote: What kills me is that now the gap between FMC's and the rest is even wider! They are still hard to hit, and while fliers lost ground cover they still laugh at the rules with toe in cover all while being able to move shorter minimum distances shooting 360 degrees all while still having the convenience of picking skyfire or ground fire at no penalty to BS.... WTF.
Can we please get a FMC supplement next
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, and I forgot they now seem to be safe in reserve while in the air!
On the other hand, tyranids, daemons and CSM need all the help they can get. Saying FMCs are unfairly good is really taking things out of context.
Except it isn't. You should look at them as a unit type first not at how much needed power increase they can bring to a crap army otherwise when you fix the crap units from said books, you now have an otherwise solid book running around with broken units making it unfair.
No thanks, fix those armies from the bottom up, don't give them crutches to stand on by making certain unit types bend the core mechanics. thats a very odd stance to have.
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Red Corsair wrote: No thanks, fix those armies from the bottom up, don't give them crutches to stand on by making certain unit types bend the core mechanics. thats a very odd stance to have.
Yeah of course it would be wonderful if GW actually fixed the Tyranid book....
....except they don't. So, ummm, yeah. "fixing" FMC's at this point will kill Tyranids. Obviously it's ideal that GW fix the Tyranid book first.
I actually don't mind in general that FMC's are better than flyers anyway, it makes sense that an FMC would be a better supporter of ground troops than a piloted aircraft. Some things are a bit wacky I agree, but a lot of the stuff you've bitched about in this thread I think is perfectly fair (FMC's being able to shoot 360 degrees for example, a biological flyer can shift its body, head, arms to shoot at a target on the ground and behind it without massively altering its flight path).
Indeed there's some things FMC's could have added that I think would be fair, like being able to charge out of a swoop or turn more than 90 degrees per turn while swooping.
On the flip side, they could probably have a modified version of Skyfire so that instead of being able to fire at full Bs they can fire at -1 or -2 Bs or something like that. You could also add that enemy flyers have +1 to hit them (because they are going to be slower and being slow in a dogfight is your main disadvantage).
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2016/05/02 03:08:00
Subject: Flyers Coming This S(pring) : Pics in OP!
Red Corsair wrote: According to what we know, the helldrake is no worse off then any number of fliers. In fact it is better off against ground targets then any fighter class, the razorwing jetfighter got absolutely hosed, not the helldrake.
Oh, but that's okay though, because at least the razorwing looks cool. Doesn't matter if the rules are garbage, DE players at least have a prettier model to play with.
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2016/05/02 08:53:12
Subject: Re:Flyers Coming This S(pring) : Pics in OP!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also more leaks from the book. Vector Strike during Dogfight phase for Heldrakes...
Inq. Serge - Warseer
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ALSO: Double-checked the rules for heldrakes; They DO have a dogfight-only vector strike!!! It's just near impossible to get it in, especially against anything that can outmanoeuvre a flying croissant. (The heldrake's very agile, almost as a Razorwing. It is quite slow however.) (EDIT: It has a better probability against overconfident players with fast flyers, but not against the sensible ones). (In case anyone's wondering, it's in addition to whatever weapon it can or can't shoot in a dogfight. And it has still has its ordinary vector strike on the field).
Considering that the vendetta's not even mentioned in the book, and FW's already making a vendetta upgrade kit (have one myself); I think It'll go back to FW-only.
The Orks; The tellyporta is an awesome weapon (Very strong and penetrative), it's just lacking in range. And it can make stuff "Disappear". Orks have 2 different wing leader tables, and they have 2 formations: 1 with 1 new flyer with the KFF, and 3 other flyers of ANY ork-kind, and makes them tougher in the correct attack pattern. The other consists of 6-12 fliers (3 wings), makes one wing better, and have access to a larger attack pattern.
And come on people, Unlike me, most of you do not use an average of 3-4 flyers in your 1850 pts armies, and even if you did, the sky isn't falling down. Sure, the formations do not give voidravens 10" stD blasts, but then again, the formations are free and the attack patterns are free-er, we all saw how pissed people got when marines got a free disintegration gun, making attack patterns and formations too good would make people go crazier than usual. It's just a compensation for the lack of footsoldiers. The dogfight subphase and the new roles and stats make flyers something more than poorly manoeuvred hard-to-hit skimmers. They're more "gamble"-y, less overpowered (not that most of them where overpowered, just presumed to be), and still not mandatory. They can still be ignored, they're just a little bit more difficult to dodge now.
Stormhawk might be mighty, but, against equally good players, the razorwing (With DL) will defeat it more times in a dogfight than the other way around. Not 9 of 10 times, nothing is that good, but more in line with 6, at most 7, of 10 times*. Nothing is invincible in dogfights, some are just better. Dogfights are very balanced. And quick. It's a bit of a high risk high reward "game theory"-duel, something for the gambler in us.
*(Does not mean it will kill it every time it wins)
The one for the flier is an upgraded version from one taken for big meks in MA right?
Don't know what the ordinary does. This one has set strenght and ap.
[..]
Also; Who plays with more than 1 voidraven? Most of the bombers are rarely taken in multiples. Most of the flyers are rarely taken in multiples. Sure, I rarely play DE without my 3 RJF, and I occasionally add in 1 VRB, but most people do not spam flyers, especially not the same flyer. Thus, you will, most likely, never meet a proper attack pattern, and if you do, the opponent will be lacking in ground forces.
And the loss of skyfire, Considering that most flyers jink a lot, it's not that much of a loss.
And for -1bs against ground targets; Skimmers and jetbikes do not count as ground targets! Thus, 3 RJF in attack pattern can get Tank hunter when shooting Monoliths. And ignore cover against jetbikes!
In my opinion; It's a wonderful book, and I love it.
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2016/05/02 09:32:29
Subject: Flyers Coming This S(pring) : Pics in OP!
Can't wait to see what they do with the nightwing interceptor. I custom built two from the razorwing and build my Phoenix bomber from the eldar flyer kit. I always field them with my corsairs because it matches their fluff and I like having fewer units on the ground...
Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote: Can't wait to see what they do with the nightwing interceptor. I custom built two from the razorwing and build my Phoenix bomber from the eldar flyer kit. I always field them with my corsairs because it matches their fluff and I like having fewer units on the ground...
They're probably going to do nothing with it.
2016/05/02 12:28:16
Subject: Flyers Coming This S(pring) : Pics in OP!
Technically four armies have FMCs now. Daemons and Chaos Marines (i know, I know), nids and tau.
The Tau have an FMC that instantly kills itself if it fails a grounding check. Whoops.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
2016/05/02 14:22:20
Subject: Flyers Coming This S(pring) : Pics in OP!
I was more responding to someone who said "one of two armies that have FMCs". Powerful rules are not necessary for a unit to be classified as an FMC. It's just a bad FMC.
This is the absolute core of the whining about "why is X an MC and Y a walker? BAAAWWW"
As soon as you had an edition where a walker had stronger rules by default than an MC, you would have everyone whining that the strongest walkers should be MCs ("Why is a dreadnought a walker? It's got a living integral pilot! BAAAAAWWW")
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
2016/05/02 19:12:49
Subject: Re:Flyers Coming This S(pring) : Pics in OP!
Well, I won't be getting this book, and by extension a Stormhawk. My Stormtalons will suck against other flyers and are needed against ground targets. Same goes for my Stormraven, my Blood Angels sole AA. Also, the fact it breaks whenever someone brings a Forgeworld flyer, makes me like this will never be a commonly used supplement. The thing that concerns me is that GW will probably try to force it down our throats.
casvalremdeikun wrote: Well, I won't be getting this book, and by extension a Stormhawk. My Stormtalons will suck against other flyers and are needed against ground targets. Same goes for my Stormraven, my Blood Angels sole AA. Also, the fact it breaks whenever someone brings a Forgeworld flyer, makes me like this will never be a commonly used supplement. The thing that concerns me is that GW will probably try to force it down our throats.
Getting a second talon has been on my to-buy list for a while now. I might pick up the new one, just because it looks a lot better and field it as a counts-as. But I’m with you on the book. Just feels tacked on and phoned in from most of what I hear.
I’ll support good models with my money, but not bad rules. I shell out enough for those anyway for “required” stuff. Optional stuff like this that I can pass on I will.
I read there is a line in the book that says these rules replace the flyer rules in the brb.
So they may not be as optional as you think. I can see most people ignoring the dog fight phase. But the new formations, detachments, patterns etc are looking like the new flyer rules.
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2016/05/02 19:45:54
Subject: Flyers Coming This S(pring) : Pics in OP!
On the other hand, tyranids, daemons and CSM need all the help they can get. Saying FMCs are unfairly good is really taking things out of context.
I don't think that's accurate at all. It's not fair to say that FMCs are OMGWTFBBQ game-breakingly good, but when compared to flying vehicles, especially when shackled with the new rules, it's absolutely fair to say that FMCs are unfairly good. They always have been, but now they're even more so.
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2016/05/02 19:47:10
Subject: Flyers Coming This S(pring) : Pics in OP!
On the other hand, tyranids, daemons and CSM need all the help they can get. Saying FMCs are unfairly good is really taking things out of context.
I don't think that's accurate at all. It's not fair to say that FMCs are OMGWTFBBQ game-breakingly good, but when compared to flying vehicles, especially when shackled with the new rules, it's absolutely fair to say that FMCs are unfairly good. They always have been, but now they're even more so.
Yeah they are good. But who cares let those Chaos and Tyranid players have their fun.
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2016/05/02 20:11:26
Subject: Re:Flyers Coming This S(pring) : Pics in OP!
casvalremdeikun wrote: Well, I won't be getting this book, and by extension a Stormhawk. My Stormtalons will suck against other flyers and are needed against ground targets. Same goes for my Stormraven, my Blood Angels sole AA. Also, the fact it breaks whenever someone brings a Forgeworld flyer, makes me like this will never be a commonly used supplement. The thing that concerns me is that GW will probably try to force it down our throats.
Getting a second talon has been on my to-buy list for a while now. I might pick up the new one, just because it looks a lot better and field it as a counts-as. But I’m with you on the book. Just feels tacked on and phoned in from most of what I hear.
I’ll support good models with my money, but not bad rules. I shell out enough for those anyway for “required” stuff. Optional stuff like this that I can pass on I will.
I already have two Stormtalons, so I won't be needing a third and won't be getting the kit to make a Stormhawk since I won't ever have the rules. Now, if they released a $5-$10 dataslate to run it in a non-DFTS game, I would snap the kit up and the dataslate easy. As of now, I will just keep what I've got.
Agreed on support. I will buy cool models even if I probably won't use them, but I won't buy bad supplements to use cool models.
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the_scotsman wrote: The Tau have an FMC that instantly kills itself if it fails a grounding check. Whoops.
It's an FMC with literally none of the rules that make FMCs good.
Smash is barely ever used by FMCs because most of them want to be shooting 100% with near-impunity, rather than land to get shot to pieces.
Fear is useless.
Vector Strike is also next to useless on a S5 model, so you aren't really missing anything by not having it.
So no, the Coldstar isn't missing all the rules that 'make FMCs good'. It has the main ones (Hard to Hit, being able to shoot 2 weapons, high movement, optional skyfire, etc).
The problem is that T4 is a death sentence and its guns are fairly terrible for how much you pay.
2016/05/02 21:12:44
Subject: Re:Flyers Coming This S(pring) : Pics in OP!
casvalremdeikun wrote: Well, I won't be getting this book, and by extension a Stormhawk. My Stormtalons will suck against other flyers and are needed against ground targets. Same goes for my Stormraven, my Blood Angels sole AA. Also, the fact it breaks whenever someone brings a Forgeworld flyer, makes me like this will never be a commonly used supplement. The thing that concerns me is that GW will probably try to force it down our throats.
Getting a second talon has been on my to-buy list for a while now. I might pick up the new one, just because it looks a lot better and field it as a counts-as. But I’m with you on the book. Just feels tacked on and phoned in from most of what I hear.
I’ll support good models with my money, but not bad rules. I shell out enough for those anyway for “required” stuff. Optional stuff like this that I can pass on I will.
I already have two Stormtalons, so I won't be needing a third and won't be getting the kit to make a Stormhawk since I won't ever have the rules. Now, if they released a $5-$10 dataslate to run it in a non-DFTS game, I would snap the kit up and the dataslate easy. As of now, I will just keep what I've got.
Agreed on support. I will buy cool models even if I probably won't use them, but I won't buy bad supplements to use cool models.
Rules for new models are always in White Dwarf so I would expect these to be as well.
2016/05/02 21:21:47
Subject: Re:Flyers Coming This S(pring) : Pics in OP!
casvalremdeikun wrote: Well, I won't be getting this book, and by extension a Stormhawk. My Stormtalons will suck against other flyers and are needed against ground targets. Same goes for my Stormraven, my Blood Angels sole AA. Also, the fact it breaks whenever someone brings a Forgeworld flyer, makes me like this will never be a commonly used supplement. The thing that concerns me is that GW will probably try to force it down our throats.
Getting a second talon has been on my to-buy list for a while now. I might pick up the new one, just because it looks a lot better and field it as a counts-as. But I’m with you on the book. Just feels tacked on and phoned in from most of what I hear.
I’ll support good models with my money, but not bad rules. I shell out enough for those anyway for “required” stuff. Optional stuff like this that I can pass on I will.
I already have two Stormtalons, so I won't be needing a third and won't be getting the kit to make a Stormhawk since I won't ever have the rules. Now, if they released a $5-$10 dataslate to run it in a non-DFTS game, I would snap the kit up and the dataslate easy. As of now, I will just keep what I've got.
Agreed on support. I will buy cool models even if I probably won't use them, but I won't buy bad supplements to use cool models.
Rules for new models are always in White Dwarf so I would expect these to be as well.
Here is hoping. Nowhere in my entire city sells White Dwarf so I will have to wait and see. I will be going to the Twin Cities GW store soon, so perhaps they will have it in stock. If the stats are in there, I will snap up a Stormhawk and the White Dwarf all in one stop.
casvalremdeikun wrote: Well, I won't be getting this book, and by extension a Stormhawk. My Stormtalons will suck against other flyers and are needed against ground targets. Same goes for my Stormraven, my Blood Angels sole AA. Also, the fact it breaks whenever someone brings a Forgeworld flyer, makes me like this will never be a commonly used supplement. The thing that concerns me is that GW will probably try to force it down our throats.
Getting a second talon has been on my to-buy list for a while now. I might pick up the new one, just because it looks a lot better and field it as a counts-as. But I’m with you on the book. Just feels tacked on and phoned in from most of what I hear.
I’ll support good models with my money, but not bad rules. I shell out enough for those anyway for “required” stuff. Optional stuff like this that I can pass on I will.
I already have two Stormtalons, so I won't be needing a third and won't be getting the kit to make a Stormhawk since I won't ever have the rules. Now, if they released a $5-$10 dataslate to run it in a non-DFTS game, I would snap the kit up and the dataslate easy. As of now, I will just keep what I've got.
Agreed on support. I will buy cool models even if I probably won't use them, but I won't buy bad supplements to use cool models.
Rules for new models are always in White Dwarf so I would expect these to be as well.
They would have been in this past week's White Dwarf if they were going to be.
2016/05/02 21:42:48
Subject: Re:Flyers Coming This S(pring) : Pics in OP!
casvalremdeikun wrote: Well, I won't be getting this book, and by extension a Stormhawk. My Stormtalons will suck against other flyers and are needed against ground targets. Same goes for my Stormraven, my Blood Angels sole AA. Also, the fact it breaks whenever someone brings a Forgeworld flyer, makes me like this will never be a commonly used supplement. The thing that concerns me is that GW will probably try to force it down our throats.
Getting a second talon has been on my to-buy list for a while now. I might pick up the new one, just because it looks a lot better and field it as a counts-as. But I’m with you on the book. Just feels tacked on and phoned in from most of what I hear.
I’ll support good models with my money, but not bad rules. I shell out enough for those anyway for “required” stuff. Optional stuff like this that I can pass on I will.
I already have two Stormtalons, so I won't be needing a third and won't be getting the kit to make a Stormhawk since I won't ever have the rules. Now, if they released a $5-$10 dataslate to run it in a non-DFTS game, I would snap the kit up and the dataslate easy. As of now, I will just keep what I've got.
Agreed on support. I will buy cool models even if I probably won't use them, but I won't buy bad supplements to use cool models.
Rules for new models are always in White Dwarf so I would expect these to be as well.
They would have been in this past week's White Dwarf if they were going to be.
That is kind of what I was thinking as well. In which case, $55+$4 saved for me!
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