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The real question is: how will the guardsmen reach the ground? I think I'll jus thave faith in the Blackadder on this one

Bob Lorgar wrote:

 The_Blackadder wrote:
She's Got Legs

I think it's been 11 years since I've logged in to Dakka, but I just had to today. Please don't follow this picture for inspiration, PLEASE. Your project is absolutely amazing, but it would be an awful travesty if you made the legs like that. Infantry are supposed to be able embark / fight from / disembark from those legs.It's actually a core design feature of the whole thing. If you tilt the legs like that, it will also tilt the floors that the infantry have to stand on. And not by a little. It'd become difficult for them just to stand up inside, much less walk around. I'm not saying you need to model the interior of the legs the way you modeled the torso, but it would be a real shame if it looked like anyone who did ride inside the legs wouldn't be able to stand up.

Thanks for your thoughtful reply and I hope the response is not too off putting but I've already played around with the greaves quite a bit combining the best features and adding modifications I deemed necessary (But nothing is etched in stone I hasten to add.)

https://i.imgur.com/CblbgPo.jpg


First I do not hold with the Space Marines rattling around in the greaves trying to stand on a shifting floor with every step the Titan takes plus when the model is static say on a shelf I plan to display him in the classic Emperor pose with legs slightly spread, greaves at an angle to the ground/shelf for maximum stability.

https://i.imgur.com/e1ZsFfj.jpg


A pose I'm sure a working Emperor would take when firing at an enemy. When you speak of Infantry I presume you mean Space Marines.... I'm not up on Titan lore but I was under the impression that they transported armoured combatants(?)

https://i.imgur.com/VD6NAQg.jpg


I plan to have my Marines held in place with harnesses as in the 'Drop Pod' model which would be the only way they could survive the walking jostling.



Once the Marines prepare to disembark the Titan can assume a stance that is more conducive to discharging the personnel.

And while I'm posting, I have had a question about the engineering section for a while. Why does the engineering section stop at the (for lack of a better description) top shoulder platform?

I've always felt the main body of the Emperor titan held all the business end of the of the vehicle; Command deck, Engineering, Reactors, Machinery.

The top hamper being reserved the worship of the Machine God Omnissiah or Deus Mechanicus the supernatural entity worshipped by the Tech-priests and other servants of the Adeptus Mechanicus as the embodiment and bestower of all knowledge and technology in the universe.

There's a lot of space up there, buildings even, and I'm surprised you haven't modeled a hole in the shoulder platform so that the engineering section extends up another story or two. It would give space to model a truly massive reactor. It might have to be oblong, extending more in the Z axis than the X or Y axes. But I could see something like the coils on a plasma gun, extending upwards as if the plasma gun was held straight up. Just a thought.

Other than the manufacture of the deck I've done little in planning the superstructure which will be a project almost as big as what has already been done. I do have a Skitarii crew and tech priests and Belisarius Cawl to inhabit the deck once completed but all that is far off even in the planning stage.

Right now I have the model sitting on the floor of my den. Even without legs it's two feet tall and I'm wondering what to do with it when it's done. We might be talking over a meter and a third tall when finished.


Whoops, forgot the pictures.........

In 2nd edition Epic, the Imperator titan could transport Space Marines (or any other Imperial infantry you wanted to bung in there), but the intended transportees were Titan Tech-Guard. Skitarii, in other words. Perhaps they have magnetic shoes.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
In 2nd edition Epic, the Imperator titan could transport Space Marines (or any other Imperial infantry you wanted to bung in there), but the intended transportees were Titan Tech-Guard. Skitarii, in other words. Perhaps they have magnetic shoes.

I had always suspected the troops carried in the greaves were in some sort of harness at least while the Titan was ambulating. It stands to reason that footing would be difficult when the floor is swinging 20 meters fore to aft a couple of times a minute or more. Likewise unarmoured troops would be pounded to a jelly if not secured down in some way.

my Skitarii will be sequestered in the upper deck Cathedral area barracks as befitting their exalted status of body guards for the Tech Priests elites.

I like the idea of having harnesses, maybe something like a rollercoaster ride would look good? You could have long rows of benches to seat whole squads on given the size.

Legs are looking great by the way!

the harnesses maybe the first time I could ever envision the troops inside being transported safely. Kudos to you, good sir

Emperor titans transports tech guard, not marines.

 CommissarKhaine wrote:
The real question is: how will the guardsmen reach the ground? I think I'll just have faith in the Blackadder on this one

I envision PogoSticks.


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Vintersorg wrote:
Emperor titans transports tech guard, not marines.

The Tech guards (Skitarii) were thought up BY GW to scam more money from the gullible. My Titan transports Space Marines


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So I am assuming 80 Guardsmen in a company each leg greave housing two twenty man platoons

Mistakes Were Maid

Fortunately the materials are relatively inexpensive and much of the material was salvageable.

https://i.imgur.com/omRVt7P.jpg


My perception of the bulk of the greaves was seriously flawed and until I started on the second level structure was this apparent. The corner spires were too bulky and would have necessitated cutting down the central second level structure making the flying buttresses too small as well and perhaps unworkable. The biggest flaw was my persistent insistence on using the Sanctum Imperialis beautiful double doors as a focal point of the greaves This may or may not be workable......

https://i.imgur.com/OIYJP0m.jpg


Anyway I'm back on track with a minimum of hand-wringing and downtime. I frequently make errors taking the time to correct them is always a priority with me because good enough is Never Good Enough.

I agree, the newer version is a definite improvement!

The Beat Goes On:

Before I get too far ahead I should keep you all apprised of recent developments.

By the slow method of how I build some thoughts enter my mind as to how to make this Titan more interesting.

https://i.imgur.com/0kRs1V0.jpg


It came to me that the front of the greaves is too bland and to add more interest I decided to recess the assault doors.

https://i.imgur.com/hbCx0xB.jpg


I also began work on the top coppola, the area immediately below the knee, These greave may prove to be an interesting focal point of this titan.

https://i.imgur.com/O5JZJCr.jpg


While working I happened to glance a the seeming pile of rubble in the corner of my workshop. A sad array of unfinished Emperor Titan parts that bear little resemblance to what may prove to be my best effort to date.........

Legs are defnitely looking up, I like the slimmer version. And that pile on the floor looks sad :(. Good thing we know it's not broken....

Resting On One's Laurels:

Before I get too smug and self-satisfied I just repaired the interior of my Warlord. and I was surprised at the lengths my OCD drove me three or so years ago. As I contemplate doing an interior for my Emperor Titan I thought I'd refresh myself on my previous construction.

Over the years the glue had lost it's grip on the aluminum impregnated wall coatings I used for much of this model inside and out and pieces were rattling around inside. I found some two decks down in the Engineering bay.

Anyway once all put together I fired up the interior lighting (surprisingly it all functioned) and took these images so I don't have to disassemble it again until when and if I decide to upgrade the paint.

So here's five pictures of the Command deck and Tech Priest balcony replete with Altar to the Machine God, Omnissiah.

https://i.imgur.com/5UBXtI5.jpg


Starting with the egress to the Command deck through the entry port.

https://i.imgur.com/HPVuC9K.jpg


I don't know if I've posted these or not other than in the construction phase. Most certainly not on Facebook or any of the new forums I frequent.

https://i.imgur.com/hoygzJW.jpg


The upper left Gallery and a view of the Altar

https://i.imgur.com/oUGghoP.jpg


and the right Gallery.......

https://i.imgur.com/A8Oame4.jpg


I've gotta straighten that railing.............





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Never mind the railing Blackadder; What about that bloody great hole in the deck?

Time For A Proportion Check:

one of the hazards of working without a plan is you lead yourself down a primrose path only to find the portion you are working on does not fit with the rest of the project.

I have to estimate the height of the finished Emperor Titan and then figure out how tall each of the components need to be to give me a proper proportion.

I'm figuring the completed Emperor will now be a meter and a quarter tall since the lower legs fill the space between the feet and the hip. That leaves virtually no room for a thigh.

https://i.imgur.com/KcGi4jT.jpg


As it stands right now without the superstructure it is 33 inches (0.8382 meter) tall. and it still needs about 6 inches of thigh length minimum even if I put the knee joint directly above the topmost section of the greave.

https://i.imgur.com/qhOstA3.jpg


Looks like a lot of people will be getting their wish that I should make it taller. Right now I'm figuring 240 scale feet (73.152 Scale Meters). 80 feet taller than the Warlord.

Immense literally and figuratively!!! This thread is constantly inspiring. Mostly inspiring me to blow all my earnings on plasticard, haha.

33 Inches Tall:

RIght now it's standing about 33 Inches Tall without feet or superstructure.

https://i.imgur.com/x9bKa1w.jpg


The left leg is covered with the basic skin and the proportions look about right. I'm toying with the idea of having the egress on the inner side of the greaves where it would make more sense rather than the front plus it would lend itself better to have the troops exit the greaves under the full protection of the Titan guards until they are formed up as a full company. Plus the inner toes would incorporate the descending stairs to the ground leaving the front toes uncluttered with the steps.

I always love checking into your threads Blackadder. Looks great and will be a beast. It's your OCD that brings it all home. Inspirational stuff.

I do wonder what you will do when this one is finished. You can't really go any bigger!

I think, tactically speaking, that front or outward facing egrii would be the best- Yes, you don't have physical cover from the legs, but I think the benefit of having unobstructed lines of fire, and movement, would outweigh that. Remember, if the doors are on the inside, they have to immediately make a right angle turn to advance, completely breaking any momentum they might have coming out.

Excellent work as always.

With regard to the earlier questions about troops fighting from the legs; there is a superb White Dwarf article about the release of the Titans back when Epic: Space Marine was a thing. I'll see if I can scan it or take pictures. The story is told from the perspective of a "Tech-Guard", which were not Admech at the time, but rather Imperial soldiers who fought from titans, etc. The Admech have developed a lot since then. The story mentions that the Tech-Guard do actually have magnetic boots and they lock them into place. It's a stonkingly good little piece of fluff, so I'll try get a copy of it for you. Simply as inspiration.

Progressing very nicely, Blackadder.

I do love how you conceptualise design elements I'd probably never dream of, build them, then off-handedly scrap them and create something even better ...

Oh, and more of your "naked torso in the mirror" shots, please ...

Marines don't take cover! They charge forward protected by their faith in the Emperor! Doors to the front, sir, or the Inquisition will be dispatched post haste!

 War Drone wrote:
Progressing very nicely, Blackadder.

I do love how you conceptualise design elements I'd probably never dream of, build them, then off-handedly scrap them and create something even better ...

Oh, and more of your "naked torso in the mirror" shots, please ...

Wha!!!! I hadda go back to page 12 August 2017 to see what you're talk'n 'bout. anyway, enjoy.

Those interior shots are atmospherically beautiful! I don't envy the difficulty of your mission but I sure do respect and admire it!

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Marines don't take cover! They charge forward protected by their faith in the Emperor! Doors to the front, sir, or the Inquisition will be dispatched post haste!

Egad! No one expected the Inquisition!


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 Elbows wrote:
Excellent work as always.

With regard to the earlier questions about troops fighting from the legs; there is a superb White Dwarf article about the release of the Titans back when Epic: Space Marine was a thing. I'll see if I can scan it or take pictures. The story is told from the perspective of a "Tech-Guard", which were not Admech at the time, but rather Imperial soldiers who fought from titans, etc. The Admech have developed a lot since then. The story mentions that the Tech-Guard do actually have magnetic boots and they lock them into place. It's a stonkingly good little piece of fluff, so I'll try get a copy of it for you. Simply as inspiration.

That would be great but Imperial Soldiers and Skitarii with Magnetic boots I don't buy, Space Marines maybe as their suits are powered. Even so if they need harnesses for a pod drop they need them to keep from rattling around in a bouncy jouncy Imperial Walker greave.

Thatb thing is looking ace so far. I love how you keep up the high levels of detail, coupled to a good eye for scale.

 The_Blackadder wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Marines don't take cover! They charge forward protected by their faith in the Emperor! Doors to the front, sir, or the Inquisition will be dispatched post haste!

Egad! No one expected the Inquisition!


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 Elbows wrote:
Excellent work as always.

With regard to the earlier questions about troops fighting from the legs; there is a superb White Dwarf article about the release of the Titans back when Epic: Space Marine was a thing. I'll see if I can scan it or take pictures. The story is told from the perspective of a "Tech-Guard", which were not Admech at the time, but rather Imperial soldiers who fought from titans, etc. The Admech have developed a lot since then. The story mentions that the Tech-Guard do actually have magnetic boots and they lock them into place. It's a stonkingly good little piece of fluff, so I'll try get a copy of it for you. Simply as inspiration.

That would be great but Imperial Soldiers and Skitarii with Magnetic boots I don't buy, Space Marines maybe as their suits are powered. Even so if they need harnesses for a pod drop they need them to keep from rattling around in a bouncy jouncy Imperial Walker greave.

Skitarii have metal legs, they could magnetise the lot! I do prefer the idea of half a Chapter's worth of Marines pouring out though...

Where's Waldo:

So after this weekend's work I have little to show for it but if you follow this thread you may be able to pick out what has been done.

No fair cheating and referencing the previous text.


https://i.imgur.com/2rJeRD4.jpg


I'm still wrestling with the egress of the troops from the greaves


https://i.imgur.com/RR657Ku.jpg


Logic would dictate they exit the rear. I've compromised and allowed for a inner thigh exit. to have them exit to the front piecemeal may appeal to the 40K genera but not to common sense. After all we're not exiting a one shot beach landing craft.

I think we all have slightly different ideas of how, exactly, the troops in the greaves are utilized.

You seem to be imagining them as an occupying force, deployed after the Titan has taken up a position, but might still be under fire. Sort of using the Titan as a FOE.

Me, I see the Titan's leg troops as Breachers- the Titan kicks into a building or city wall, plants its foot, and disgorges troops as exactly a landing craft, with the troops rushing out into an active firefight.

Corner turrets on the upper deck look phenomenal!

JohnnyHell wrote:Corner turrets on the upper deck look phenomenal!

Yeah I've reinstalled the turrets; actually I forgotten I made them months ago.

Anvildude wrote:I think we all have slightly different ideas of how, exactly, the troops in the greaves are utilized.

You seem to be imagining them as an occupying force, deployed after the Titan has taken up a position, but might still be under fire. Sort of using the Titan as a FOE.

Me, I see the Titan's leg troops as Breachers- the Titan kicks into a building or city wall, plants its foot, and disgorges troops as exactly a landing craft, with the troops rushing out into an active firefight.

First FOE??? I found 36 acronyms but none seem to fit...... I hate acronyms, they are suppose to save what; time, typing, space, breath?Invariably they have to be explained anyway so where is the savings?

I see the greaves as a massive troop transport pretty much as you describe but the models I've seen including the one I am following have a single door that only one or two troops can exit at a time; easy pickings for an alert foe, A company disgorged quickly through massive double doors can bring the fight to the enemy as a cohesive force plus the spraddled legs in the classic titan stance lend themselves to an easy exit down the inner side toe ramp/steps.

The beautifully rendered movie Helsreach part 5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z0klMZ7r8M&t=162s

ignores the problem completely but in the scene at the 4:43 minute mark shows the exit door easily 20 feet above the ground with at least a 6 foot drop to the top surface of the front toe.

https://i.imgur.com/bz4KX3Z.jpg


The Tech Priests magically appearing in the scene.

Nevertheless I really appreciate your input