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So, Using B@C and the forgeworld boarding upgradehttps://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Space-Marine-Boarding-Assault-Upgrade-Set
this is the list I wish to make for my army
+++ New Roster (2965pts) +++

++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) ++

+ HQ +

Legion Centurion [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon]
····Consul [Siege Breaker]

Legion Praetor [Artificer Armour, Paragon Blade, Warsmith]
····Master of the Legion [The Hammer of Olympia]

+ Troops +

Legion Breacher Siege Squad [9x Legion Breacher Siege Space Marines, 2x Melta gun]

Legion Breacher Siege Squad [9x Legion Breacher Siege Space Marines, 2x Melta gun]

Legion Breacher Siege Squad [9x Legion Breacher Siege Space Marines, 2x Melta gun]

+ Elites +

Contemptor Dreadnought Talon
····Legion Contemptor Dreadnought [Heavy Conversion Beamer, Twin-linked Lascannon]

Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought [Two Twin-linked Autocannons]

+ Heavy Support +

Iron Havoc Support Squad [9x Iron Havoc]

Iron Havoc Support Squad [9x Iron Havoc, 9x Missile Launcher (with Frag, Krak, & Flakk missiles)]
····Iron Havoc Sergeant [Missile Launcher (with Frag, Krak, & Flakk missiles)]

Legion Predator Strike Armoured Squadron
····Legion Predator Tank [Executioner Plasma Cannon]
····Legion Predator Tank [Executioner Plasma Cannon]
····Legion Predator Tank [Executioner Plasma Cannon]

Tyrant Siege Terminator Squad [9x Tyrant Terminator]

+ Legion +

Legion Astartes [IV: Iron Warriors, Traitor]

Why A Contemptor Mortis, and not a Boxnaught? The extra points, along with the 35 your currently floating, could get you a Quad Mortar, some more breachers or even just some upgrades (breacher Artificer Armor, Sponsons for the tanks, a Combi-melta for the Tyrant Sarge, ect.)

Funnilly enough, it is meant to be a regular dread.

The Contemptor-Mortis on the list? because if so you'll have a few more points to play with! Either way though, you can grab up Artificer armor on the Breacher Sarges, and a melta bomb on one of the,.

why the artificer armor? its just 2+ on the SGT, wouldnt weight of shots render that useless?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
why the artificer armor? its just 2+ on the SGT, wouldnt weight of shots render that useless?

It can, certainly, but there are a few key weapons that it helps immensely against, especially on breachers. Having a guy with a 2+ Re-rollable against the ever-present Phosphex Mortar is fairly important against a lot of the other ranged armies, and being able to tank Power Swords and Lightning claws can help in a pinch. Really though, the resistance to phsophex is HUUUUUGE, and also Krak Missles usually.

also, if you ever expand and get some apothecaries to run in the breacher squads, you can basically have the srgt. up front to tank as many shots as possible, and when he dies, there's no major loss as an apothecary has the same statline (basically, how I run my tac. squads )

 Brennonjw wrote:
also, if you ever expand and get some apothecaries to run in the breacher squads, you can basically have the srgt. up front to tank as many shots as possible, and when he dies, there's no major loss as an apothecary has the same statline (basically, how I run my tac. squads )

Except that the Apothecary doesn't have Hardened Armor of a Breacher Shield, yes . But really, the value in having a 2+ Re-rollable against blasts and templates cannot be underestimated, especially with Apothecaries for the FNP.

For 10 points it does a lot actually, would always take it. Makes the squad so much more resistant to ap3 weapon s

 Swampmist wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
why the artificer armor? its just 2+ on the SGT, wouldnt weight of shots render that useless?

It can, certainly, but there are a few key weapons that it helps immensely against, especially on breachers. Having a guy with a 2+ Re-rollable against the ever-present Phosphex Mortar is fairly important against a lot of the other ranged armies, and being able to tank Power Swords and Lightning claws can help in a pinch. Really though, the resistance to phsophex is HUUUUUGE, and also Krak Missles usually.

Aren't Phosphex mortars barrage, allowing it to bypass the sarge and hit the rest of the squad?

Punisher is correct, the mortars treat the shot as coming from the hole in the template.

But it means that, once it gets to the sarge, he gets to tank it. Also, if he's in the middle of the squad, they don't really have a choice but to hit him if they want more than like 1 hit, especially with the creeping fire rule.

Im thinking of dropping the Predators. Any idea of what I can replace it with?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Im thinking of dropping the Predators. Any idea of what I can replace it with?

quad mortars.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Im thinking of dropping the Predators. Any idea of what I can replace it with?

Artillery. Landraider. Havocs. Sicarans. There are enough choices.

At 3000 points, I'm not sure how well 3 10 man breacher squads on foot will work for you. They seem to do better in lower point games TBH, despite being more expensive they flexibility and being a troop unit is what helps them excel. In my larger Iron Warriors lists my Troop squads tend to be Tac squads. I use two configurations.

x10 tac
-Srg Power weapon/combi-weapon
-Bolter/Pistol/CCW on squad
Rhino
-Heavy Flamer on pintel

-or-

x20 Tac
-Srg Power weapon/combi-weapon
-Bolter/Pistol/CCW on squad
With a apothecary attached to them for survivability.

I know many people scoff at rhinos in 30k, but I find them brilliant in many games thanks to it's pintel mounted Heavy Flamer. I get the rhino up the field and have the squad disembarked into the mid-field quickly into some cover. My lists are pretty tank heavy, so as long as I keep it obscured from enemy anti-tank fire it forces them to try and hit my high AV armour that is threatening them, or a Low AV target with cover. It helps with target saturation. The Heavy Flamers on the rhinos help alot when faceing more CC focused legions. A Heavy Flamer hit and a around of rapid fireing bolters from the tacs tend to widdle them down low enough to make them safe to tie up in CC.


I find the 20 many tac squads with apoth are just gross to deal with for many players, unless you have alot of S8+ pie plates to throw at me.

I tend to take one 20 man unit who walk across the board with my warsmith, and the other two troop slots filled with the rhino squads.

Just my 2 cents/experience. ^^