Warhammer 40,000 FAQ Draft p58 Chaos daemons

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**em_en_oh_pee**

Uriels_Flame wrote:
em_en_oh_pee wrote:
Grimskul wrote:
Oh big one that a lot of people in YMDC argued about, preferred enemy no longer allows you to reroll 1's for get's hot for blast template weapons. Nor does re-rolling 1's to hit allow you re-roll scatter dice.

Well, just going to throw my Executioners in the trash now. Not like Guard had much going for them, but I loved my Plasma beasts... Thanks, GW.

And they said no special character upgrades in Formations, robbing me of Pask in my Steel Host. SIGH.

Get on the forum and actually ask the question. Maybe you haven't lost anything... It's not like we haven't seen people playing actual rules wrong to begin with.

I am going off the GW answers in the posted FAQS. So yea...

**Mr Morden**

skarsol wrote:
Paradigm wrote:

Ah, I knew that was the case for shooting, though I thought I remembered it being 1 grenade per model in CC... maybe that changed with 7th, I still haven't bought that yet!

People likely read "A model can use such a grenade as a Melee weapon, but can only ever make one attack, regardless of the number of Attacks on its profile or any bonuses." and extrapolate that to "each model".

Yep - I think pretty much everyone did that

What the bet this thread quickly become the hottest thread on the forum ...........FAQs - just wow!

**angelofvengeance**

Feels like Rountree is in service to Tzeentch... all this change lol

**WrentheFaceless**

Mymearan wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
Q: Can units that are Battle Brothers embark in each other’s Transport vehicles during deployment?
A: No.

No more Drop pod fun then???

That's HUGE

This made my War Convo really sad

**Wilson**

WrentheFaceless wrote:
Mymearan wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
Q: Can units that are Battle Brothers embark in each other’s Transport vehicles during deployment?
A: No.

No more Drop pod fun then???

That's HUGE

This made my War Convo really sad

Yup & mine. Well, at least my 3 drop pods. Good job I Gotta bunker !

**pretre**

WrentheFaceless wrote:
Mymearan wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
Q: Can units that are Battle Brothers embark in each other’s Transport vehicles during deployment?
A: No.

No more Drop pod fun then???

That's HUGE

This made my War Convo really sad

This made everyone sad. Sharing transports was VERY common.

**blaktoof**

Kap'n Krump wrote:
Well, I'll be a runty squig. They actually made a FAQ.

A unit's special rules (e.g. skyhammer) confers to attached to ICs.

Q: If I’m using a special Detachment, such as the Nemesis Strike Force Detachment, and add Independent Characters from Battle Brother Factions (e.g. the Librarius Conclave), can they all still benefit from the first turn deployment and come in together?
A: No, the rules for Detachments and Formations only apply to models/units that are part of the Detachment or Formation.

Q: Do rules applying to ‘the unit’, such as those from Formation command benefits (e.g. the Skyhammer Annihilation Force), or unit-wide special rules such as Dunestrider from Codex: Skitarii apply to any attached Independent Characters?
A: No.

You might have misread that one there.

**skarsol**

blaktoof wrote:

You might have misread that one there.

The image has different (wrong) answers. Thus the confusion.

**the_scotsman**

em_en_oh_pee wrote:
Uriels_Flame wrote:
em_en_oh_pee wrote:
Grimskul wrote:
Oh big one that a lot of people in YMDC argued about, preferred enemy no longer allows you to reroll 1's for get's hot for blast template weapons. Nor does re-rolling 1's to hit allow you re-roll scatter dice.

Well, just going to throw my Executioners in the trash now. Not like Guard had much going for them, but I loved my Plasma beasts... Thanks, GW.

And they said no special character upgrades in Formations, robbing me of Pask in my Steel Host. SIGH.

Get on the forum and actually ask the question. Maybe you haven't lost anything... It's not like we haven't seen people playing actual rules wrong to begin with.

I am going off the GW answers in the posted FAQS. So yea...

Well, on the bright side, units with mixed factions do count as all the factions officially now, and that is a nice buff for the guard.

Don't like your crappy lascannon teams? field imperial fist devastators or super-grav servitors! Give them ignores cover with an attached guard IC!

**angelofvengeance**

It's not in place yet folks. That's why it's called a 1st draft. If you want to call them out on something, ASK(or if you don't have FB,get one of your buddies to ask)

**Kap'n Krump**

blaktoof wrote:
Kap'n Krump wrote:
Well, I'll be a runty squig. They actually made a FAQ.

A unit's special rules (e.g. skyhammer) confers to attached to ICs.

Q: If I’m using a special Detachment, such as the Nemesis Strike Force Detachment, and add Independent Characters from Battle Brother Factions (e.g. the Librarius Conclave), can they all still benefit from the first turn deployment and come in together?
A: No, the rules for Detachments and Formations only apply to models/units that are part of the Detachment or Formation.

Q: Do rules applying to ‘the unit’, such as those from Formation command benefits (e.g. the Skyhammer Annihilation Force), or unit-wide special rules such as Dunestrider from Codex: Skitarii apply to any attached Independent Characters?
A: No.

You might have misread that one there.

Independent character page, 3rd entry from the top, says yes, you can, and specifically references skyhammer. Though it is a draft, and I did see some typos, maybe some stuff is contradictory.

**skarsol**

angelofvengeance wrote:
It's not in place yet folks. That's why it's called a 1st draft. If you want to call them out on something, ASK(or if you don't have FB,get one of your buddies to ask)

It's a first draft for clarity, not a first draft for the actual ruling. They want to know "do you understand what we have written" not "do you think we got this right".

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Kap'n Krump wrote:

Independent character page, 3rd entry from the top, says yes, you can, and specifically references skyhammer. Though it is a draft, and I did see some typos, maybe some stuff is contradictory.

They've stated the image is wrong. Read the text caption.

**997Turbo**

So can you cast the same power multiple times from one unit with multiple IC or not? There seem to be two separate rulings...one under "Psychic Phase" and one under "Independent Characters"

Perhaps I am reading something wrong....

**skarsol**

997Turbo wrote:
So can you cast the same power multiple times from one unit with multiple IC or not? There seem to be two separate rulings...one under "Psychic Phase" and one under "Independent Characters"

Perhaps I am reading something wrong....

The IC page image is wrong. *echo* *echo*

**Vankraken**

pretre wrote:
WrentheFaceless wrote:
Mymearan wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
Q: Can units that are Battle Brothers embark in each other’s Transport vehicles during deployment?
A: No.

No more Drop pod fun then???

That's HUGE

This made my War Convo really sad

This made everyone sad. Sharing transports was VERY common.

Not only that but every vehicle formation like the land raider formation or blitz brigade formation can't have passengers inside on turn 1 because same faction detachments are battle brothers with each other. I hope I'm wrong on this because if not GW made a horrible rules decision.

**Runic**

Can't but raise my hat to GW. They have truly looked at the feedback and worked to resolve it.

Now I'm just waiting for the updated rulebook.

Times are a changing. GW is back. For the Wolftime.

**blaktoof**

Kap'n Krump wrote:
blaktoof wrote:
Kap'n Krump wrote:
Well, I'll be a runty squig. They actually made a FAQ.

A unit's special rules (e.g. skyhammer) confers to attached to ICs.

Q: If I’m using a special Detachment, such as the Nemesis Strike Force Detachment, and add Independent Characters from Battle Brother Factions (e.g. the Librarius Conclave), can they all still benefit from the first turn deployment and come in together?
A: No, the rules for Detachments and Formations only apply to models/units that are part of the Detachment or Formation.

Q: Do rules applying to ‘the unit’, such as those from Formation command benefits (e.g. the Skyhammer Annihilation Force), or unit-wide special rules such as Dunestrider from Codex: Skitarii apply to any attached Independent Characters?
A: No.

You might have misread that one there.

Independent character page, 3rd entry from the top, says yes, you can, and specifically references skyhammer. Though it is a draft, and I did see some typos, maybe some stuff is contradictory.

Your right, my apologies.
under their comments edit is this:

The last couple of questions on the image here are a glitch. Unfortunately, Facebook won't let us update it, so please go off this text, rather than the image:

Which makes it confusing, but the text is right and image is wrong

**Desubot**

Q: Can units that are Battle Brothers embark in each other’s Transport vehicles during deployment?
A: No.

**blaktoof**

Desubot wrote:
Q: Can units that are Battle Brothers embark in each other’s Transport vehicles during deployment?
A: No.

AKA, drop pod sales have finally bottomed out

**timetowaste85**

Only reason I'm not happy about the D-thirsted ruling is because the D-thirsted suffers from it, and Imperial Knights don't. If they solidified one way or the other, I'd be perfectly content. Glad to see my Blade of Blood/Axe of Khorne combo daemons are awesome though!!

**cosmicsoybean**

The amount of questions that are very clearly explained in the rulebook is kind of sad.

**Pythius Primus**

Vankraken wrote:

Not only that but every vehicle formation like the land raider formation or blitz brigade formation can't have passengers inside on turn 1 because same faction detachments are battle brothers with each other. I hope I'm wrong on this because if not GW made a horrible rules decision.

You're confused. Same faction detachments aren't battle brothers, they're the same faction.

**pretre**

cosmicsoybean wrote:
The amount of questions that are very clearly explained in the rulebook is kind of sad.

You must be new here...

**Ghaz**

Pythius Primus wrote:
Vankraken wrote:

Not only that but every vehicle formation like the land raider formation or blitz brigade formation can't have passengers inside on turn 1 because same faction detachments are battle brothers with each other. I hope I'm wrong on this because if not GW made a horrible rules decision.

You're confused. Same faction detachments aren't battle brothers, they're the same faction.

The Allies chart (pg 126, main rulebook) disagrees with you.

**Experiment 626**

Sucks big time about multiple IC Psykers/Brotherhood of Psyker units still only being allowed to attempt the same Witchfire power once per phase...

So Tzeentch Daemons (especially Pinkies led by Tzheralds) are still ridiculously nerfed for no god damned reason.

**VeteranNoob**

Wonder what the codexes(?) will look like.

**angelofvengeance**

cosmicsoybean wrote:
The amount of questions that are very clearly explained in the rulebook is kind of sad.

True, but it can't hurt to be doubly clear. Not everyone interprets things the same way you would.

**Experiment 626**

VeteranNoob wrote:
Wonder what the codexes(?) will look like.

Codex Chaos Space Marines: just stop playing guys, we're sorry, but you suck too much at this point to be fixed!

**angelofvengeance**

VeteranNoob wrote:
Wonder what the codexes(?) will look like.

I'm hoping Dark Eldar will see some buffs. Was very disappointed at the tiny amount of wargear options available for the Archon.

**BlaxicanX**

My group has been playing the grenade rules wrong this whole time then- this is great news for me because it increases the survivability of MC's and walkers by quite a bit.

Like, an armored sentinel goes from getting destroyed by a 10-man marine squad in two turns to tarpitting them for the entire game, statistically.