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 JimOnMars wrote:
Grim Resolve vs Invisibility--so much for the "opposite rules cancel each other out" shtick.

Grim Resolve wins.

I don't really believe you should be able to 'cancel' out a psychic power. They are already fairly unreliable barring excessive psyker amounts.

What's the point of having the rule "Deathwing Assault" if you technically lose the game before your turn 1?

I'm sure that has been debated to death, so I won't raise it here.

Problem is that they are inconsistent again. The hatred spreads to units that are not faction specific, but the Mace only affects CSM proper.

I'm pretty sure the new Deathwing Assault rule just says that they come in on Turn 2 without a roll. The old one was Turn 1.

 Captain Joystick wrote:

Requizen wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Another confirmation on relics for all factions.

One Model - one relic.

And yet, Tau players will blindly ignore it until their own FAQ drops.

Signature Systems aren't Relics.

Tau are not Space Marines.

You're setting yourself up for disappointment.

It's what Tau call their Relics, since they aren't really old enough to have Relics...

And it's not like they haven't gone against what is written in the book to make it one relic per model: see C:SM.

We'll see when the Tau FAQ comes out, but I think the ones who will be disappointed are the Tau...

Somebody mentioned something similar in the faq comments. Think it was that they don't actually have any rules on how to upgrade/equip your characters/units. Which I always found weird. If they make a new edition I'd like to see this properly formalized and consistent across codices. And then factions that have especially powerhungry/greedy could have s special rule that allows overriding that, such as CSM or maybe Orks. It makes sense for Tau to have a 1 per char cap though, since their relics are basically experimental weapons.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
That sucks that you can't take Masters ... in the demi-company.

Ummm...

Oops sorry. Was thinking company masters from the question above about Bikes.

Still why no Interregators?

Requizen wrote:
I'm pretty sure the new Deathwing Assault rule just says that they come in on Turn 2 without a roll. The old one was Turn 1.

Yeah. That's how it used to work but got changed in new codex.

Not that the faq entry really makes big deal. Nobody takes all termi army to any serious competive game even if you wouldn't autolose AND got 5 pts per model point drop...And non-competive games agreeing for non-autolose is trivial.

 Crazyterran wrote:

 Captain Joystick wrote:

Requizen wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Another confirmation on relics for all factions.

One Model - one relic.

And yet, Tau players will blindly ignore it until their own FAQ drops.

Signature Systems aren't Relics.

Tau are not Space Marines.

You're setting yourself up for disappointment.

It's what Tau call their Relics, since they aren't really old enough to have Relics...

And it's not like they haven't gone against what is written in the book to make it one relic per model: see C:SM.

We'll see when the Tau FAQ comes out, but I think the ones who will be disappointed are the Tau...

They would really have to go against what's written though. In the Tau book there is even a note in two pieces of special issue wargear stating how they interact when a model is equipped with both of them. Until the FAQ there was also no rule anywhere that even hinted at tau relics being 1 per model. Whereas with other factions it was atleast written that you could "trade for one" in one way or another.

Is it really that hard to have a few other units on the board rushing to objectives or preferable firing points? I never understood why people are so resistant to letting one paltry scout squad ruin their perfect null deployment.

 Crazyterran wrote:

It's what Tau call their Relics, since they aren't really old enough to have Relics...

And it's not like they haven't gone against what is written in the book to make it one relic per model: see C:SM.

We'll see when the Tau FAQ comes out, but I think the ones who will be disappointed are the Tau...

The phrasing for Signature Systems has always been different from that used for Relics, their limitations and the way they are equipped are different. They are not analogous.

More to the point though, if Tau got the same ruling the buffmander's gear would be split with the Shas'Vre in his squad for the exact same effect for a paltry increase in points. Together they would become the Buff Brothers, and nothing would change.

I like that the Errata made Deathwing Land Raiders a thing again. It was a shame when one didn't have a 2ay to deploy them.

 jreilly89 wrote:
Wow, that was pretty....uninspiring. Nothing really changed.

Well one thing really did change. For that person who needs his win.

 Captain Joystick wrote:
Is it really that hard to have a few other units on the board rushing to objectives or preferable firing points? I never understood why people are so resistant to letting one paltry scout squad ruin their perfect null deployment.

 Crazyterran wrote:

It's what Tau call their Relics, since they aren't really old enough to have Relics...

And it's not like they haven't gone against what is written in the book to make it one relic per model: see C:SM.

We'll see when the Tau FAQ comes out, but I think the ones who will be disappointed are the Tau...

The phrasing for Signature Systems has always been different from that used for Relics, their limitations and the way they are equipped are different. They are not analogous.

More to the point though, if Tau got the same ruling the buffmander's gear would be split with the Shas'Vre in his squad for the exact same effect for a paltry increase in points. Together they would become the Buff Brothers, and nothing would change.

It'd be better than the PEN, MSSS, iridium, and the Command and Control Node all being on one model.

I mean, if they don't do it, and let the Tau keep it, whatever. Bet I expect there will be some changes to their mega format in, or at least the clarification that the buffmander doesn't spread it to everyone.

We will see in a few weeks, I suppose...

Auto walk/drive on reserves T1 is kinda cool.

This only shows what garbage this game has become since the 6th Edition.

Sure, the models are the best (and the most expensive) they've ever been, but all the playing fast and loose with rules leads to treating a tabletop game like an MMO - constant updates, patches and rejiggering.

The worst part is the whole "you spoke, we listened". Sure, the changes in the FAQ are both desirable and make sense... but they were made at the insistence of the fanbase, which sets a dangerous precedent. Basically, whinge, piss and moan on forums and social media, and sooner or later you'll get your way.

The entire ruleset needs to be scrapped and re-written, preferably by someone who understands the concepts of future-proofing and scalability.

 Olgerth Istaarn wrote:

The worst part is the whole "you spoke, we listened". Sure, the changes in the FAQ are both desirable and make sense... but they were made at the insistence of the fanbase, which sets a dangerous precedent. .

Indeed. Heaven forbid they should start making the game the players actually want...


It's only a 'dangerous precedent' if the changes are all bad ones. Otherwise, listening to the players and considering those opinions when further developing the game is a much, much better idea than what they've been doing for the last few years...

Nightlord1987 wrote:Auto walk/drive on reserves T1 is kinda cool.

What are you talking about with this? Nothing gets auto walk on turn 1 from what I can see.

Olgerth Istaarn wrote:This only shows what garbage this game has become since the 6th Edition.

Sure, the models are the best (and the most expensive) they've ever been, but all the playing fast and loose with rules leads to treating a tabletop game like an MMO - constant updates, patches and rejiggering.

The worst part is the whole "you spoke, we listened". Sure, the changes in the FAQ are both desirable and make sense... but they were made at the insistence of the fanbase, which sets a dangerous precedent. Basically, whinge, piss and moan on forums and social media, and sooner or later you'll get your way.

The entire ruleset needs to be scrapped and re-written, preferably by someone who understands the concepts of future-proofing and scalability.

Lol wtf are you talking about dude? Aside from a couple things, these FAQs have all been just clearing up messy rules. It's not a patch any more than previous FAQs were, and makes the game much easier to pick up and play than it would be otherwise, which is only good in the long run.

Listening to the customers is good. Ignoring customers is one of the big things that got them hated.

 Olgerth Istaarn wrote:
Basically, whinge, piss and moan on forums and social media, and sooner or later you'll get your way.

God I hope so.

If that's so then the ITC shall capitulate to the Tau any second now.... aaaany second. Hahah.

I hope someone at GW got the information that Tau are not overpowered in the top tier meta. I shall never stop spreading the word until there is justice.

Ah, never mind. I thought D.W.A let you DS T1.

 Gamgee wrote:
If that's so then the ITC shall capitulate to the Tau any second now.... aaaany second. Hahah.

I hope someone at GW got the information that Tau are not overpowered in the top tier meta. I shall never stop spreading the word until there is justice.

That's cute. Top 20 isn't enough for you, you want the whole Top 8 to be Tau? But sure, keep spreading your lies.

 Gamgee wrote:
~garbage~

this is a bad post. Gamgee is a bad poster. anime is cartoons.

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
If that's so then the ITC shall capitulate to the Tau any second now.... aaaany second. Hahah.

I hope someone at GW got the information that Tau are not overpowered in the top tier meta. I shall never stop spreading the word until there is justice.

That's cute. Top 20 isn't enough for you, you want the whole Top 8 to be Tau? But sure, keep spreading your lies.

Top baloney. We haven't been been in the top 8 in ages, not since the original farsight supplement dropped. And only one in the top 25 a few tournaments ago.

Edit
A good poster is someone who toes the line and gives into the space marine and ork drones right? Right? Haha. I guess that makes me very very bad. What will it be this time? A slap on the wrist? Another pointless internet debate?

Gamgee, the overall rankings for ITC have Tau players at 4th and 5th places. Also, the guy at 6th is listed as using multiple armies, one of which is Tau.

Please stop saying that Tau are not represented in competitive play.

 Gamgee wrote:


What will it be this time? A slap on the wrist? Another pointless internet debate?

No! For your transgressions, Dakka shall impose its most sincere punishment! From this day forward, you may only play Orks, Chaos Space Marines, or Tyranids until you learn what "underpowered" actually means!

THE DAKKA HAS SPOKEN!

 EnTyme wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:


What will it be this time? A slap on the wrist? Another pointless internet debate?

No! For your transgressions, Dakka shall impose its most sincere punishment! From this day forward, you may only play Orks, Chaos Space Marines, or Tyranids until you learn what "underpowered" actually means!

THE DAKKA HAS SPOKEN!

I play Dark Eldar. -_- You don't know what underpowered is. Also I could live with Tyranids. I don't mind em from a fluff point.

Topic, now, and don't drag it off topic again.

I find it extremely weird that they said Belial's deep strike ability does not confer to other units because "an IC's abilities does not confer to a unit unless specifically stated otherwise"

Belial's ability literally says "belial and his unit does not scatter when arriving from deepstrike reserve"

Like- are they changing his rule so that he has to deepstrike solo, or is it just lazy writing where they didn't even bother to look at his rule and gave their standard answer?

Maybe they thought it was about Belial granting deep strike to a unit he joins that can't already deep strike

 KhorneontheCobb wrote:
I find it extremely weird that they said Belial's deep strike ability does not confer to other units because "an IC's abilities does not confer to a unit unless specifically stated otherwise"

Belial's ability literally says "belial and his unit does not scatter when arriving from deepstrike reserve"

Like- are they changing his rule so that he has to deepstrike solo, or is it just lazy writing where they didn't even bother to look at his rule and gave their standard answer?

I think they are more trying to limit stuff that doesn't say anything about a unit. So if Belial didn't have the "and his unit" part of the rule, someone couldn't attach him and expect the whole unit to benefit.