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 Kirasu wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
I got to wonder if GW even read their rules for Hive Tyrants.. Can it leave a unit like other ICs? It's not even an IC!

It has a rule letting it join units as if it were an IC.

That's the kind of thinking that GW probably used too.. Except Hive Tyrants have no such rule. Hive Guard do have a rule that allow a Hive Tyrant to *join* the unit as if it were an IC.. Not leave nor does it confer the actual IC rule to the Hive Tyrant.
Big difference, but it doesn't really matter I suppose.

The rule for joining and leaving a unit are under the same header in the brb. So, in order to join exactly like an independent character, they would have to follow every rule under that particular heading.

Didn't GW rule that a Hive Tyrant couldn't leave Tyrant Guard in a previous edition? Same working, but now magically the ruling is different for why?

Nid players alway said that I know of, you can always join, but never leave. I wonder why this was brought up because of non Nid players.

Independent Characters can join a units in a T-Cyte...Hive Tyrant's join Tyrant Guard exactly like Independent Characters...Hive Tyrant and it's Guard can go in the same T-Cyte?

shadowfinder wrote:
Independent Characters can join a units in a T-Cyte...Hive Tyrant's join Tyrant Guard exactly like Independent Characters...Hive Tyrant and it's Guard can go in the same T-Cyte?

Can't see why not.


Also T'cytes can be deployed empty now if I read that correctly. Can't remember if that is a big deal or not.

Davor wrote:
Didn't GW rule that a Hive Tyrant couldn't leave Tyrant Guard in a previous edition? Same working, but now magically the ruling is different for why?

Nid players alway said that I know of, you can always join, but never leave. I wonder why this was brought up because of non Nid players.

Maybe they thought it was silly that a being engineered to be a devious leader can't walk away from his minions.

Davor wrote:

shadowfinder wrote:
Independent Characters can join a units in a T-Cyte...Hive Tyrant's join Tyrant Guard exactly like Independent Characters...Hive Tyrant and it's Guard can go in the same T-Cyte?

Can't see why not.


Also T'cytes can be deployed empty now if I read that correctly. Can't remember if that is a big deal or not.

75 to 100 point ripper.t5 5 wound 4+ save moving MC which now shoots random areas. can be large blast for 25 point more. I like them cause you have to dedicate a two or three of units to kill them or one high powered one with shooting. But having a empty one is no big deal.



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Davor wrote:
Didn't GW rule that a Hive Tyrant couldn't leave Tyrant Guard in a previous edition? Same working, but now magically the ruling is different for why?

Nid players alway said that I know of, you can always join, but never leave. I wonder why this was brought up because of non Nid players.

They couldn't leave before was in the main rules.

shadowfinder wrote:
Independent Characters can join a units in a T-Cyte...Hive Tyrant's join Tyrant Guard exactly like Independent Characters...Hive Tyrant and it's Guard can go in the same T-Cyte?

They won't all fit in the same pod. The Pod only has room for 20 models and a single MC counts as 20 models.
No room for the Guard.

Oh yeah, forgot about the 20 mini limit. Thanks for the reminder Matt.Kingsley.

shadowfinder wrote:

75 to 100 point ripper.t5 5 wound 4+ save moving MC which now shoots random areas. can be large blast for 25 point more. I like them cause you have to dedicate a two or three of units to kill them or one high powered one with shooting. But having a empty one is no big deal.

Not if you're spamming hive tyrants. However, they can also attack with AP2 and smash in CC. It's a great area threat for gladius marines.

 greyknight12 wrote:

shadowfinder wrote:

75 to 100 point ripper.t5 5 wound 4+ save moving MC which now shoots random areas. can be large blast for 25 point more. I like them cause you have to dedicate a two or three of units to kill them or one high powered one with shooting. But having a empty one is no big deal.

Not if you're spamming hive tyrants. However, they can also attack with AP2 and smash in CC. It's a great area threat for gladius marines.

A Tyrannocyte has no threat area with regards to melee because it cannot voluntarily charge anything; it can only be charged. If your opponent is feeling particularly self-destructive and wants to charge a S5+ AP2 unit, then great for you. But that's more of a 'suicide zone' than an 'area threat'.

shadowfinder wrote:

75 to 100 point ripper.t5 5 wound 4+ save moving MC which now shoots random areas. can be large blast for 25 point more. I like them cause you have to dedicate a two or three of units to kill them or one high powered one with shooting.

Ripper? I don't like them because they are horribly overcosted, much more so with this faq. And unlike pods they can't be ObSec (or have 360 shooting apparently). So many 12+" move cc units that takes them out without breaking a sweat. Thunderwolf cavalry and Imperial Knights just doubles them out, as do any MC out there. And bikes, Juglords with Fleshhounds kills them pretty easy in cc.

 greyknight12 wrote:
However, they can also attack with AP2 and smash in CC. It's a great area threat for gladius marines.

Nope, T-cytes can't assault, because reasonzz. And they can't even scratch a drop pod, unless you buy them Venom Cannons, in which case you could fire one or max two shots at a pod and hope to roll a 6 for a glance, lol. My guess is you have never actually deployed a Tyrannocyte.

Astra Militarum and Grey Knights posted.

We've got a two-fer this week with Astra Militarum and Grey Knights.

they are very short.....

GK FAQ question 2: "Reminder that Drop Pod taxi services are dead. That is all."

They all seem very wishlisty

Short and to the point really, though the Leman Russ one will always get brought up. Because a useful Leman Russ tank..? feth me, right!

Erm. Random yarrick nerf? Went from fearless hero of the imperium to most cowardly commissar..

 Desubot wrote:
They all seem very wishlisty

Yeah seriously.

"This thing doesn't have the rules I want, can it have those rules?" No.
"This formation doesn't have the models I want, can it have those models?" No.

I just like to imagine what would have happened if GW had ruled that the fire point on a rhino was the rear door.

The tears of SM players would have flooded GW HQ. Guard players are just sitting there with the Dark Eldar players, looking at their pretty models on a shelf and shrugging.

the_scotsman wrote:
I just like to imagine what would have happened if GW had ruled that the fire point on a rhino was the rear door.

The tears of SM players would have flooded GW HQ. Guard players are just sitting there with the Dark Eldar players, looking at their pretty models on a shelf and shrugging.

It's a poorly worded answer
The chimera has 3 hatches
The turret hatch
The rear top hatch
And the rear door hatch (access point)
I'm assuming when they said he read hatch they mean the rear top hatch and not the rear door hatch as that's the access point not fire point, but I'm sure they will clarify it.

The rep on Facebook also stated that the are working on the final two faqs for next week and already working on the final version of the faqs to include clarifications and additional questions that were asked.
So it sounds like the final version of the faqs should be posted by the end of August.

Now all we need is a new ruleset to clear up the horrid, clunky mess 40k has become lol.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Now all we need is a new ruleset to clear up the horrid, clunky mess 40k has become lol.

that is not the problem

the problem would be to get one from GW

Well seeing as they are making FAQS I don't think new rules are coming soon.

the_scotsman wrote:
I just like to imagine what would have happened if GW had ruled that the fire point on a rhino was the rear door.

The tears of SM players would have flooded GW HQ. Guard players are just sitting there with the Dark Eldar players, looking at their pretty models on a shelf and shrugging.

Not the rear access point. The hatch on top, at the back between the lasgun arrays. That's the fire point. The set of double-doors that open up to the sky.

the_scotsman wrote:I just like to imagine what would have happened if GW had ruled that the fire point on a rhino was the rear door.

The tears of SM players would have flooded GW HQ. Guard players are just sitting there with the Dark Eldar players, looking at their pretty models on a shelf and shrugging.

While giving GW more money for other armies. This is done on purpose. And it seems to work, or at least did work back in 5th edition. It just mind boggles me someone has an army they love, and get so upset with GW that they will give them more money, time and energy for another army so they can win easier or more.

I am hoping that 8th edition will put a stop to this.


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So how many FAQs are left now? Necrons are the only ones left now? Just curious what is going to happen now. Get these FAQs to become official or will be used for 8th edition? Maybe both?

I wonder if all the FAQs will be released all at once when they are official or will they trickle down again?

I was rather optimistically hoping for more for the guard, like ' AOE benefits can AOE from inside a transport' but oh well.

The point about non CAD elements into a formation is at least helpful, if of no benefit to IG.

Davor wrote:

So how many FAQs are left now? Necrons are the only ones left now?

Necrons and Daemons, I believe.

I facepalmed hard when I saw the last two GK questions.

Overall I'm decently satisified with the FAQs so far, at least they clarified that what the general population thought was RAI was indeed how the rules were meant to be played, not the mustache-twirling Saturday cartoon villain logic some people came up with.

Game still needs rebalancing but that's for actual codex updates.