Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ; Pg 233 Slaughterbrutes and Mutaliths have had a Warscroll update

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**str00dles1**

Not understanding the confusion on Gore Gruntas. You get 3 models for 180 points, so 60 points a dude.

Max you can have in a SINGLE unit is 12 models of Gore Gruntas, so 720 points.

It is NOT 12 guys for 180 points.

As stated in the same spoiler post, Stormcast are X points per 5 guys or 3 guys. Same applies to this.

This isn't a assumption. They are not going to put all the time and effort into completive play, have a world wide event, and a full book on every army to make it so random still.

As for the book release, its before the event. Stores get it as a store copy before the event, 2 weeks before. Lets you look at it, pick a army, get interested, build and paint. Then the book comes out about a week after the event for the general public to own, but the store will have owned a copy 3 weeks before.

**Uriels_Flame**

Oh - must have been something I missed...

Good to know!

**OgreChubbs**

Uriels_Flame wrote:
Oh - must have been something I missed...

Good to know!

well i just looked through all 65 pages and it is never mentioned except from someone saying it is probly what they mean. Same guy who is saying gorefist is not telling you what units are in it.

So either use the pics that are shown with whats written down for info or someones best guess. Cause gamesworkshop would never can something and have it fail cough aos cough.

**ImAGeek**

OgreChubbs wrote:
Uriels_Flame wrote:
Oh - must have been something I missed...

Good to know!
well i just looked through all 65 pages and it is never mentioned except from someone saying it is probly what they mean. Same guy who is saying gorefist is not telling you what units are in it.

So either use the pics that are shown with whats written down for info or someones best guess. Cause gamesworkshop would never can something and have it fail cough aos cough.

They weren't talking about the gorefist debate you're having, rather the part of the previous post talking about the fact that the book is available early for stores taking part in the campaign.

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

Swampmist wrote:
Eh, Shield allows for save stacking, which can be broken even without 1+ saves. 2+ rerollable LizardWarriors with immunity to rend -1, for example.

And that's without save-stacking. Saurus Guard, near a Seraphon Hero, prayed over, and with one casting of Mystic Shield, get the 2+ rerollable already. :-p Yeah, i'm all for untethering Arcane Bolt from the one-off limit, but no way will I be ok with Mystic Shield being unlocked unless its expressly also amended to "one per unit".

**Yodhrin**

See, this actually makes me even sadder, because I would have loved a 40K-ish game(which this new version of AoS seems to be) in the WHF setting, but the months of "points and people who like them are the dumz" rhetoric and the way GW tossed aside WHF as an IP then took the piss out of its fans as a farewell has totally soured things.

I keep having ideas for cool little WHF forces you can do in a skirmish system that just aren't viable in a block-movement game, and then I remember that doing them would require dealing with the new setting(because I don't know anyone who both plays AoS and prefers WHF) and that pathetic "har har, mental health is a perfect subject for ridicule in a social setting!" rule and it just strangles all my enthusiasm.

**Bottle**

@OgreChubbs stop trolling.

It's 180 points for every 3 Goregruntas.

The max size unit you can make is 12. (720 points)

The Gorefist Battalian is 120 points just to unlock the Battalian ability (or do you really want to argue it's going to be 180 points for 1 goregrunta unit but 120 for 3 lol?).

So bare bones that battalion is going to cost 660 points ((180x3)+120) and maxed out will cost 3720 points ((720x5)+3).

**OgreChubbs**

Bottle wrote:
@OgreChubbs stop trolling.

It's 180 points for every 3 Goregruntas.

The max size unit you can make is 12. (720 points)

The Gorefist Battalian is 120 points just to unlock the Battalian ability (or do you really want to argue it's going to be 180 points for 1 goregrunta unit but 120 for 3 lol?).

So bare bones that battalion is going to cost 660 points ((180x3)+120) and maxed out will cost 3720 points ((720x5)+3).

It does not say that anywhere, so you are making things up it says min 3 max 12, 180 points. You cant make things up and say anyone who disagrees is a troll. But I am moving on troll are making up random rumours because they like to which is what trolling actually is.

Quick final comment.

120 points for a free 15 inch move and 1 model has 2 more wounds
40 points for bringing a whole unit back from the grave once a turn.

**ImAGeek**

It doesn't say it no, but it also doesn't say it your way. We don't have all the information, but one scenario is much more likely to be correct.

Actually scrap that, the rumours do say it:
'Judicators 160pts per 5
Liberators 100pts per 5 '

Its not going to work like that for some units but not for others.

**cyberjonesy**

ImAGeek wrote:
It doesn't say it no, but it also doesn't say it your way. We don't have all the information, but one scenario is much more likely to be correct.

Actually scrap that, the rumours do say it:
'Judicators 160pts per 5
Liberators 100pts per 5 '

Its not going to work like that for some units but not for others.

This

**OgreChubbs**

cyberjonesy wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
It doesn't say it no, but it also doesn't say it your way. We don't have all the information, but one scenario is much more likely to be correct.

Actually scrap that, the rumours do say it:
'Judicators 160pts per 5
Liberators 100pts per 5 '

Its not going to work like that for some units but not for others.

This

eier the other book is completely different or it is the same format which would be a min - max and then the points. The picture of the book is clear in that.

So either the order book is in a completely different format where it says each unit is 5 models and blah point and for destro it is completely different or it was an example saying 5 of them min is blah ammount of points.

Anyways we are talking in circles time will show who is right who is wrong I hope I a, but we will see.

**cyberjonesy**

Anyone find 240 pts for a Great unclean one as a hell of a bargain ?
This thing does everything : shoot , rend, please don't use this term like this on Dakka. Reds8n , cast spells , ward save, regain wounds each turn and buff his army...

**Davor**

Was this mentioned already? From War of Sigmar https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/900

Small teaser for all of you.

I have confirmed that summoning works as I said yesterday. You pay points only for bringing new units to battlefield so undead are safe with their standards returning models previously slain in battle.

Deep striking units are same as now.

Rules like phoenix returning on a 4+ work as written, you dont pay summon points for bringing it back to life, its part of model cost you pay at the start.

In addition to new Sylvaneth units there are also new units for orks and some renamed units for ogres in new yet unrevealed battle tome

**BorderCountess**

Hard to tell if it's a bargain if we don't know the scale of the points. All we have to compare it to is a handful of orcs.

**Spoletta**

If you compare the spoiled points and the SCGT points, you will notice that they are the same. GW clearly used that as a basis and then multiplied everything by 20. Sometimes they modified the SCGT points by plus or less 1, but the 2 points systems are really too similar to think that they have no correlation.

**Azazelx**

Yodhrin wrote:
See, this actually makes me even sadder, because I would have loved a 40K-ish game(which this new version of AoS seems to be) in the WHF setting, but the months of "points and people who like them are the dumz" rhetoric and the way GW tossed aside WHF as an IP then took the piss out of its fans as a farewell has totally soured things.

I keep having ideas for cool little WHF forces you can do in a skirmish system that just aren't viable in a block-movement game, and then I remember that doing them would require dealing with the new setting(because I don't know anyone who both plays AoS and prefers WHF) and that pathetic "har har, mental health is a perfect subject for ridicule in a social setting!" rule and it just strangles all my enthusiasm.

Who cares about the "official" setting? I'm quite happy to ignore it, and there's no reason you couldn't do the same. Your models are your own, as is their background and your own "head canon". I know you're overly concerned about what the "official rules" and so forth say, but there's no need to concern yourself with it if you dislike it, even if you were to play in a GW store. Perhaps see if there's a local club in your vicinity where you can play some informal friendly games using the upcoming, pointed AoS skirmish rules within the WHFB setting.

**Fayric**

Neronoxx wrote:
NinthMusketeer wrote:
Spoletta wrote:
If you compare the spoiled points and the SCGT points, you will notice that they are the same. GW clearly used that as a basis and then multiplied everything by 20. Sometimes they modified the SCGT points by plus or less 1, but the 2 points systems are really too similar to think that they have no correlation.
If this is true...

cyberjonesy wrote:
Anyone find 240 pts for a Great unclean one as a hell of a bargain ?
This thing does everything : shoot , rend, cleaning up in melee, cast spells , ward save, regain wounds each turn and buff his army...
...it explains this. Monsters and heroes are more points-efficient in SCGT than units.

Just curious, but does anyone know what the reasoning behind this is?

I would guess its because units are far superior to monsters and heroes. The lack of "toughnes" and inability to join/hide in units makes it plain to se how the basics -number of attacks and wounds, of a unit makes most monsters rather poor choises, and lone heroes really woulnerable. Add to that the many many nice special rules units get, that monsters mostly dont.
/Generally speaking from my limited experience of AoS.

**Plumbumbarum**

What's the point of summoning and characters who summon when the cost is the same as cost of fielding?

**Bottle**

OgreChubbs wrote:
cyberjonesy wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
It doesn't say it no, but it also doesn't say it your way. We don't have all the information, but one scenario is much more likely to be correct.

Actually scrap that, the rumours do say it:
'Judicators 160pts per 5
Liberators 100pts per 5 '

Its not going to work like that for some units but not for others.

This
eier the other book is completely different or it is the same format which would be a min - max and then the points. The picture of the book is clear in that.

So either the order book is in a completely different format where it says each unit is 5 models and blah point and for destro it is completely different or it was an example saying 5 of them min is blah ammount of points.

Anyways we are talking in circles time will show who is right who is wrong I hope I a, but we will see.

It looks to be set up the same as SCGT pools list. Which means the first page will explain everything we have been saying and the following pages will list the pools cost for each faction in the game. Go look at the SCGT pool list document for an idea.

Plumbumbarum wrote:What's the point of summoning and characters who summon when the cost is the same as cost of fielding?

18" move, Turn 1.

**Spiky Norman**

Plumbumbarum wrote:
What's the point of summoning and characters who summon when the cost is the same as cost of fielding?

Do people in 40k ask why 'keep units in reserve to Deep strike in'?

**reds8n**

http://warhammerworld.games-workshop.com/2016/06/24/brave-the-trials-of-sigmaron/

Step up now to face your destiny. Can you survive the Trials of Sigmaron and become one of Sigmar’s Stormcast Eternals? Join in this free gaming event at the Warhammer Age of Sigmar Open Day!

Individual heroes are transported to an arena in the Realm of Azyr in order to fight for the right to be a Stormcast Eternal. It’s a hero bash in an arena!

The Trials of Sigmaron is a free Warhammer Age of Sigmar gaming event being held at Warhammer World as part of the Warhammer Open Day on the 13th August. It’s also part of the Season of War Global Campaign, which means your games can go towards shaping the future of Warhammer Age of Sigmar!

With games happening all day, taking up to around 45 minutes each, you can play in as many games as you like, so long as there are spaces available.

Just bring with you any one hero model you like from the Warhammer Age of Sigmar range.
Choose if your hero is a warrior or a wizard, and they’ll use the profile on our special event warscroll – find it here: The Trials of Sigmaron Warscroll.
Choose your allegiance to either Order, Death, Destruction or Chaos and gain special rules as a result of this.
Sigmar himself has left gifts in the arena to help the heroes; earn mighty favour from the God-King himself!
If your hero survives the arena, register your victory in the Season of War campaign.
There will also be a leaderboard throughout the day, for you to see how your hero has done in comparison to everyone else.
A full event pack will be coming soon, but these are the essentials you need to know, so start planning your hero and get your ticket for the full Open Day now!

http://warhammerworld.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/The-Trials-of-Sigmaron-Warscrolls.pdf

If anyone does attend please take pics/start a thread for the event etc etc

**Spoletta**

Plumbumbarum wrote:
What's the point of summoning and characters who summon when the cost is the same as cost of fielding?

As i read it, there is a nice reason for that.
I decide not to deploy 300 points, but i'm not stating what i will summon. So you are playing with 300 points of side list, and can summon what you effectively need.

**ImAGeek**

I was going to ask if anyone had any idea when we'd see the new Aelf stuff, when I saw this on FB:
https://www.facebook.com/GWWarhammerAgeofSigmar/videos/488989241297874/

So looks like it could be July 2nd for pre-order?

**Bottle**

ImAGeek wrote:
I was going to ask if anyone had any idea when we'd see the new Aelf stuff, when I saw this on FB:
https://www.facebook.com/GWWarhammerAgeofSigmar/videos/488989241297874/

So looks like it could be July 2nd for pre-order?

Haha, awesome! Rob Symes is awesome (I love his Bravery One podcast - even if it is "awful dross"). Guess this will be more family friendly though.

**shinros**

ImAGeek wrote:
I was going to ask if anyone had any idea when we'd see the new Aelf stuff, when I saw this on FB:
https://www.facebook.com/GWWarhammerAgeofSigmar/videos/488989241297874/

So looks like it could be July 2nd for pre-order?

The video is great and it seems GW is finally using the community correctly.

**KiloFiX**

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Megaboss on Maw Krusher seems awful expensive at 500+ pts though.

**Dryaktylus**

Individual heroes are transported to an arena in the Realm of Azyr in order to fight for the right to be a Stormcast Eternal.

(...)

Just bring with you any one hero model you like

(...)

Choose your allegiance to either Order, Death, Destruction or Chaos

So Sigmar is desperate enough to recruit daemonic Heralds, Plague Priests, Grot shamans and Vampires? A Gaunt Summoner is okay I guess (mutual visit of each others dungeon).

Well, at least there're great conversion opportunities if you win.

**auticus**

NinthMusketeer wrote:
..it explains this. Monsters and heroes are more points-efficient in SCGT than units.

Yeah one of the first things I noticed were that the heroes and monsters were vastly cheaper in this system than in azyr comp, and then I noticed they were basically SCGT points multiplied.

**Daston**

I am totally against the death of WHFB and the move to circular bases (why could they not include both!) but a points based skirmish game could get me trying AoS again, even if its just to have some good quick games of Fantasy where there isnt time for a full blown game of 8th or 9th edition.

I havent kept up to date with all the AoS news (other than to watch my favorate units go OOP) are the new competitive rules going to be free?

**auticus**

No they will be in the general's handbook.