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NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Every bit of those rules has me excited and feels like exactly what I wanted... my only thought being, for tournament/competitive games we'll need to clarify the unit min/max for x points rule.

I think the intent is for it to mean, a min unit of these costs "x" and you may buy that many increments of said unit up to a max? Without playing it though I can't be sure.

Otherwise, who wouldn't always take max units?

People who can't afford to buy all those models? A max-sized unit of Brutes costs US$200.

Even if their intent is that it costs 180pts regardless of whether you have 5 or 20 models, I'm sure tournaments and people who want fair, evenly matched games will consider them 180pts per 5 model increments.

I'm quite looking forward to this book.

So for the Brutes for example, as I'm reading it, its 180Pts for 5 brutes. I could keep taking a extra 5 for another 180, max unit size is 20 guys for 720. OR I could take 4/5 man units of brutes for the same 720

Those leaks are good so far.

So battalions have points cost beyond the base cost of the units, or instead of?
We'll probably have to wait to see, because unless I missed something it doesn't explain battalion costs so we'd just be speculating...

Rihgu wrote:
So battalions have points cost beyond the base cost of the units, or instead of?
We'll probably have to wait to see, because unless I missed something it doesn't explain battalion costs so we'd just be speculating...

Its most likely an additional cost, like all of the other comps add costs for the battalions as well.

Yeah, I'm going to suggest to my group that the first rule of 1 be changed to everything BUT arcane Bolt, partially because of the tzeentch stuff and also because 9\10 the only things that cast it are things that literally have no other thing to cast, atleast as far as I can tell :/.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
And of course, Tzeentch gets punished again for being Tzeentch. TWO entire warscroll battalions are now useless thanks that first Rule of One (Fatesworn Warband, in which all heroes can cast Arcane Bolt; and the Chaos Warband, in which units who wipe out an enemy unit can cast Arcane Bolt).

I thought Tzeentch was getting some love this summer, but evidently GW is still dumping on them.

There will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth this summer.

 Swampmist wrote:
Yeah, I'm going to suggest to my group that the first rule of 1 be changed to everything BUT arcane Bolt, partially because of the tzeentch stuff and also because 9\10 the only things that cast it are things that literally have no other thing to cast, atleast as far as I can tell :/.

I would probably include Mystic Shield, as well. Hardly a game-breaking spell.

Eh, Shield allows for save stacking, which can be broken even without 1+ saves. 2+ rerollable LizardWarriors with immunity to rend -1, for example.

 Swampmist wrote:
Eh, Shield allows for save stacking, which can be broken even without 1+ saves. 2+ rerollable LizardWarriors with immunity to rend -1, for example.

This. But I agree that arcane bolt should be spammable; its hardly game breaking and is a good balancing mechanic against super-elites that anyone has easy access too.

Also, derp on the points costs. Pretty sure I misinterpreted that -.-

Awesome! Looks exactly like SCGT but with bigger numbers.

I agree that Arcane Bolt should be spammable. At least it makes that identical Skaven spell now useful lol.

The biggest hit for Mystic Shield is only having one across your entire army each battleround!

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Every bit of those rules has me excited and feels like exactly what I wanted... my only thought being, for tournament/competitive games we'll need to clarify the unit min/max for x points rule.

I think the intent is for it to mean, a min unit of these costs "x" and you may buy that many increments of said unit up to a max? Without playing it though I can't be sure.

Otherwise, who wouldn't always take max units?

People who can't afford to buy all those models? A max-sized unit of Brutes costs US$200.

FEAR NOT! We all will be able to afford these models soon! British Pound at an all time low now! I wish I could buy stuff off GW's site using that currency....

Chopxsticks wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Every bit of those rules has me excited and feels like exactly what I wanted... my only thought being, for tournament/competitive games we'll need to clarify the unit min/max for x points rule.

I think the intent is for it to mean, a min unit of these costs "x" and you may buy that many increments of said unit up to a max? Without playing it though I can't be sure.

Otherwise, who wouldn't always take max units?

People who can't afford to buy all those models? A max-sized unit of Brutes costs US$200.

FEAR NOT! We all will be able to afford these models soon! British Pound at an all time low now! I wish I could buy stuff off GW's site using that currency....

Maybe now's a good time to get a FW army then? I think that's all done through pounds sterling. :p

So on the leaks so far, matched play is in-faction. No Ironjaws units count as compulsory 'battleline' unless "Ironjaws Allegiance", whatever that means.
Maybe the faction of your general?

RoperPG wrote:
So on the leaks so far, matched play is in-faction. No Ironjaws units count as compulsory 'battleline' unless "Ironjaws Allegiance", whatever that means.
Maybe the faction of your general?

I think it just means if you go for a "Destruction" army you will need battleline units from warscrolls outside of the Ironjawz (because there are none by default) but if you're Ironjawz only some units take on the Battlefield role so that you can play a legal army.

There are no Ironjawz warscrolls that are battleline by default but I think other units will be (for example Moonclan Grots).

 Bottle wrote:

RoperPG wrote:
So on the leaks so far, matched play is in-faction. No Ironjaws units count as compulsory 'battleline' unless "Ironjaws Allegiance", whatever that means.
Maybe the faction of your general?

I think it just means if you go for a "Destruction" army you will need battleline units from warscrolls outside of the Ironjawz (because there are none by default) but if you're Ironjawz only some units take on the Battlefield role so that you can play a legal army.

There are no Ironjawz warscrolls that are battleline by default but I think other units will be (for example Moonclan Grots).

Would the 'Ardboys (black orcs) not count as battleline?

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Bottle wrote:

RoperPG wrote:
So on the leaks so far, matched play is in-faction. No Ironjaws units count as compulsory 'battleline' unless "Ironjaws Allegiance", whatever that means.
Maybe the faction of your general?

I think it just means if you go for a "Destruction" army you will need battleline units from warscrolls outside of the Ironjawz (because there are none by default) but if you're Ironjawz only some units take on the Battlefield role so that you can play a legal army.

There are no Ironjawz warscrolls that are battleline by default but I think other units will be (for example Moonclan Grots).

Would the 'Ardboys (black orcs) not count as battleline?

Only in an Ironjawz only army.

Points system sounds really good, looking forward to the campaign even more now! Cant wait to see Sylvaneth since it seems they will be coming before the handbook.

This and Cameron gone, today is a good day!

You know, I definitely agree that summoned units should cost points, but I don't think 1/1 is a good ratio. There is no guarantee the unit will ever actually see the table top. I'd like it better if summoned units were a little cheaper.

Chopxsticks wrote:
Better go burn your army and put it on Youtube then...

So what of us who dont have all your free time to spend discussing playing before we actually get to play? Or packing our entire collections to haul to a game store to then discuss with an opponent what we will and will not be playing with?

As stated before, its just one mode of playing...

In my experience this "free time" before starting a game has usually taken less than 2 mins for random pick up games. People seem to generally go for having fun over building stupid stomp lists, even the few who bring a lot of stuff and a bunch of powerful stuff around here have actually been reasonable when I say what I have and played around with that instead of going all out.

It's one of those situations where it's probably only going to go bad if they're a jerk. At least that's been my experience so far.

 EnTyme wrote:
You know, I definitely agree that summoned units should cost points, but I don't think 1/1 is a good ratio. There is no guarantee the unit will ever actually see the table top. I'd like it better if summoned units were a little cheaper.

I think a 1:1 ratio is for the best. Summoning on the first turn is very easy to pull off, and let's you deploy within 9" of the enemy straight away (unless your opponent deploys more than 3" off the front line). With 3D6 charges (like the Morghast Archai) it makes turn 1 charging alpha strikes a strong tactic with even less drawbacks if the units become cheaper for being summoned.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Every bit of those rules has me excited and feels like exactly what I wanted... my only thought being, for tournament/competitive games we'll need to clarify the unit min/max for x points rule.

I think the intent is for it to mean, a min unit of these costs "x" and you may buy that many increments of said unit up to a max? Without playing it though I can't be sure.

Otherwise, who wouldn't always take max units?

People who can't afford to buy all those models? A max-sized unit of Brutes costs US$200.

It is worse then that, aswell

Gore gruntas 180 points for 3 - 12. Which is 12 for 180 points so 15 points per model

Gore fist 120 points for 3 - 5 units of 3 or more gore gruntas...... So 90 gore gruntas 120 points $30 per model.

The fists formations are all likewise. Endless hordes for the people who bought the books I guess. Hey new moto for AoS

AoS where if you have the money you can win.

OgreChubbs wrote:
Gore fist 120 points for 3 - 5 units of 3 or more gore gruntas...... So 90 gore gruntas 120 points $30 per model.

As already noted, the points listed for Battalions are most likely in addition to the unit cost. So three units of Gore Gruntas (each having 3-12 models) at 180 points each plus 120 points for the Battalion is 660 points minimum.

 Ghaz wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
Gore fist 120 points for 3 - 5 units of 3 or more gore gruntas...... So 90 gore gruntas 120 points $30 per model.

As already noted, the points listed for Battalions are most likely in addition to the unit cost.

so 120 points for 2 more wounds on 1 model and move 15" once per game? Well thats usless. Also I just reread the pics and no where does it say that so thats people just guessing?

OgreChubbs wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
Gore fist 120 points for 3 - 5 units of 3 or more gore gruntas...... So 90 gore gruntas 120 points $30 per model.

As already noted, the points listed for Battalions are most likely in addition to the unit cost.

so 120 points for 2 more wounds on 1 model and move 15" once per game? Well thats usless. Also I just reread the pics and no where does it say that so thats people just guessing?

The points listed are for the Battalions. The Battalions don't include the units necessary to make the Battalion. Its has more support by the rules than the assumption you're making.

 Ghaz wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
Gore fist 120 points for 3 - 5 units of 3 or more gore gruntas...... So 90 gore gruntas 120 points $30 per model.

As already noted, the points listed for Battalions are most likely in addition to the unit cost.

so 120 points for 2 more wounds on 1 model and move 15" once per game? Well thats usless. Also I just reread the pics and no where does it say that so thats people just guessing?

The points listed are for the Battalions. The Battalions don't include the units necessary to make the Battalion. Its has more support by the rules than the assumption you're making.

Actually it does tell you how many are in the fist aka battalion I am looking at it right here. A gore fist is 3-5 units of gore gruntas. Gore gruntas 3 or more models make a unit.

And where do you get those Gore Gruntas? From the Gore Grunta Warscroll. They're not built-in to the Gore Fist Battalion as you're implying.

 Ghaz wrote:
And where do you get those Gore Gruntas? From the Gore Grunta Warscroll. They're not built-in to the Gore Fist Battalion as you're implying.

I am not implying anything but dirct quoting from the iron jawz book.

It says gorefist / battalion. Consist of

A gorefist consists of the following units

3-5 units of gore gruntas


Gore gruntas

A unit of gore gruntas consist of 3 or more models.
Some units of goregrunts are armed with

Direct quotes.

Can't wait for the Generals Book! Seems odd they put it out after the campaign starts, but ...