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 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Galas wrote:
We have to wait for the Mathhammers to disect the Battletome and find the 18 Tzaangor Skyfires + Shaman combos equivalents.

But at a first glance, yeah. They seem a little "underpowered" only in comparasion with the 3-4 broken combos that dominated the meta. All battletomes should be like this, mid-tier. If everyone is mid-tier, nobody is broken, nobody is useless.

Yup. Though we already have one 'problem combo' identified with 20 mortars + khemist.

I don't even see that as a problem setup. Rend nothing means it's strong, but mitigated quite easily with certain units. And the Thunderers seem to be expensive and not much in the way of combat or even just ranged defense, so bopping them off seems pretty easy. So, in essence it sounds like every other artillery piece, but on the high side of potential damage while probably costing more and requiring a combo and good target to be effective. I think that sounds super fair, to be honest!

The lack of ranged mortal wound output is pretty much my main concern with the army, that and the lack of a really solid infantry unit in the same vein as Chaos Warriors in terms of durability and cost. Of course, the army has lots of mobility and shooting so keeping your distance should be easier for the Overlords than it is for other armies, and the in-built charge defences for the airships are pretty cool. The Thunderer combo has it's weaknesses but it's definitely nasty, I can see it being plugged into Order gun-line armies alongside a Hurricanum in place of or in addition to Kurnoth Hunters.

The Thunderers don't scream "play me" in quite the same way as a Lord of Change or Tzaangor Skyfires from the Tzeentch book do, nor do any other Kharadron unit in particular really. They just look to be solid overall which I like, it will be interesting to see just how much transports affect the flow of gameplay in Age of Sigmar.

I think they're very solid, and mortal wound output, or lack thereof will be a measured consideration, but not a deal-breaker outside high-high end play.

As per 99% of armies... null deploy/deep-strike shenanigans will ruin their fun... but such is AoS right now, and something unlikely to change as its a tactic so linked to the game's poster-child army.

Again though, that only matters in super serious competitive circles.

 Gamgee wrote:
I know that but if it was me I would just move on (eventually) and forget about it. It boggles my mind why they try and be upset is all.

Because despite what the ultrafans like to think, plenty of us who dislike a thing are willing to keep a somewhat open mind no matter how strong our reservations and check in periodically to see if things have improved? You know, like how a few pages ago I expressed admiration for the new Skydorf models. It's almost as if human beings are capable of holding views that are more complex than "I like this thing in its entirety, it is flawless" or "This thing is bad in all possible ways, and always will be"

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Galas wrote:
We have to wait for the Mathhammers to disect the Battletome and find the 18 Tzaangor Skyfires + Shaman combos equivalents.

But at a first glance, yeah. They seem a little "underpowered" only in comparasion with the 3-4 broken combos that dominated the meta. All battletomes should be like this, mid-tier. If everyone is mid-tier, nobody is broken, nobody is useless.

Yup. Though we already have one 'problem combo' identified with 20 mortars + khemist.

People keep thinking of this as existing in a Kharadron allegiance army where it isn't too bad. I'm saying it will show up in the Order gun line armies. Slap it down next to a hurricanum and lack of mortal wounds is no longer a problem. Not to mention it will then deal an average of 26.6 wounds even to a 4+ save, easily capable of killing almost any monster or an army's worth of support characters in just one round of shooting at 36". Additionally when deciding turn choice against it you have to either give them first turn and eat all that shooting before you can do anything, or let them take second turn and risk an auto-loss if they get a double.

Next week's preorders will be the gunhauler for $50, £30 and the thunderers for $40, £25. Presumably the third week will be the ironclad and all the characters.

Dam, I want me an Ironclad. I suppose I'll be busy assembling company units at least.

Chikout wrote:
Next week's preorders will be the gunhauler for $50, £30 and the thunderers for $40, £25. Presumably the third week will be the ironclad and all the characters.

Where do the Skyriggers fit into the release schedule?

flying sharks..

 Ghaz wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Next week's preorders will be the gunhauler for $50, £30 and the thunderers for $40, £25. Presumably the third week will be the ironclad and all the characters.

Where do the Skyriggers fit into the release schedule?

Oh yeah forgot about them. Maybe it will be a four week window. 2 boxes this week and 3 boxes plus three characters next week would be strange. My info comes from landmine on Twitter by the way.

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:
flying sharks..

'Sky Sharks' is just a nickname for Screamers of Tzeentch.

Chikout wrote:
Next week's preorders will be the gunhauler for $50, £30 and the thunderers for $40, £25. Presumably the third week will be the ironclad and all the characters.

Thats a pretty great price for the Gunhauler- I was expecting £35, very affordable to get a bunch of escorts for the fleet. Thunderers follow the 5 man box specialist price, I was hoping for £22.50 for them but £25 isn't bad. The Skywardens are what I'm really wanting [in the sense I want it all, but those especially] as well as the Endrinmaster and the Khemist.

Oh, I wanted real flying sharks.

And the releases to be finished so I can do Death Guard with Zeppelin gunboats.

the sky sharks from the pictures dont look like any screamers that ive ever seen...
they literally look like sharks.

darn... theres a pic of the art somewhere on here but i couldnt find it.
its a flying shark thats big enough that it has guys walking on it attacking it.

Chikout wrote:
Next week's preorders will be the gunhauler for $50, £30 and the thunderers for $40, £25. Presumably the third week will be the ironclad and all the characters.

Did I miss the info about the Thunderers in the maelstrom of the thread?

I don't recall seeing any rules posts for them.

 TalonZahn wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Next week's preorders will be the gunhauler for $50, £30 and the thunderers for $40, £25. Presumably the third week will be the ironclad and all the characters.

Did I miss the info about the Thunderers in the maelstrom of the thread?

I don't recall seeing any rules posts for them.

1 wound, 4+ save and bravery 7. Rifles are 2 shots at 3+/4+/-1/1

so are they actually called thunderers?
since thunderers already exist are these updates rules or something else?

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
so are they actually called thunderers?
since thunderers already exist are these updates rules or something else?

Something else, grundstokk thunderers are a different unit.

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
the sky sharks from the pictures dont look like any screamers that ive ever seen...
they literally look like sharks.

darn... theres a pic of the art somewhere on here but i couldnt find it.
its a flying shark thats big enough that it has guys walking on it attacking it.

That's not the skyshark. The Sky-Sharks were mentioned in the text to be directly daemons as well.

thx both...

Sky Sharks with lasers!

 Grot 6 wrote:
Sky Sharks with lasers!

...Jenkins, get my bitz box.

Sky Sharks with frickin lazer beams attached to their heads!

This "constitutional expert" rule is amusing. Libertarian Dwarves have been added to the inspiration folder. Source.

Liberty Duardin, a mighty order formed for freedom when their leader, Geore Wyshinton, cut down the infamous Nurgle cherry tree which allowed chaos to infest the Skyforts by plague cherries being carried up by the high winds and turned anyone they touched into Nurgle spawn.

Currently are battling tribes of Grots that raided Duardin caravans and use stolen guns and underground lairs, with gigantic burrowing spiders, to conduct a guerrilla war with the airborne Liberty forces who have to brave the harsh jungles of the Iron Greens in the war of Vytnahm.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
Sky Sharks with frickin lazer beams attached to their heads!

Oh we can do better than that, it's the realm of metal. Sky sharks with half their bodies composed of minerals and dead tissue from uranium deposits which they mix with chaos energy to fire airship destroying blasts from their mouths where several conductive metals are in their teeth to draw forth the energy.

You can make it a evolution of the basilisk for eye-lasers as well.

Uranium power, aye, mineral-sparkling fins, nay.

A propos spiders: How big is an Arachnarok body compared to the frigate?

I had the idea of using the bloated spider body as the balloon part of a Death Guard zeppelin raining death from the sky into the trenches of the grimdark future. Bombs and all already included in the ship box. A real - pardon me - Lead Zeppelin. The Ironclad looks way better, but its too big, sadly. Already build an "Endrinrigger", now I just need to loot a plastic easter egg for the balloon half of him.

Shouldn't they have posted the rumor engine pic already?

I'm not sure. I've been checking the Community site every half hour or so.

So having run the stats through my handy dandy Azyr Comp tool, these guys come out at about middle of the road in terms of damage and durability and their rumored point costs don't make them super undercosted (read: OP tournament choices). As such I'd classify them as a pretty fun army to play and face, but not in the competitive scene or against competitive armies.

I'll try and plug them into my db so you can all access their stats and where they rank up at www.louisvillewargaming.com/AOSStats.aspx

My meta pretty much came to that same consensus. None of the tournament powergamers are going to play these guys because they aren't busted and there isn't anything that screams busted for the tournament scene.

As such I give this a solid thumbs up to the design team for making an army not broken and fairly balanced. This of course is just going off of stats and math and not played it yet.

its this



which is a skaven tail (unless they're running a complicated double bluff)

so resin bloodbowl player?