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Warpsmith
-Aura of Dark Glory and MoT for 4++

Cultists (min)

2x Chaos Marines Squads each w/
-Melta bomb on champ
-Combi-plas
-2x Plasma Gun
-Rhino

Helldrake
-Baleflamer

Oblits x3
-All with Mark of Nurgle

Renegade Knight
-2x Avenger Gatling Cannons
-1x Whirlind-esque launcher

Troops get objectives, Warpsmith repairs knight that shoots at whatever needs to be dead, oblits provide DISTRACTION CARNIFEX/AT capabilities, Helldrake does the same. Might be lacking in the AA department, could take an aegis with the quad gun and the AA gun on the knight. Thoughts?

Looks good the only thing I worry about putting these dual avengers in lists is getting D slapped turn one.

Wraith Knight with ranged D or even melee D will back hand slap your IK like a hoe (farming implement)

Intercessor wrote:Looks good the only thing I worry about putting these dual avengers in lists is getting D slapped turn one.

Grief wrote:Wraith Knight with ranged D or even melee D will back hand slap your IK like a hoe (farming implement)

What exactly makes the IK so vulnerable to getting D Slapped when running dual gats? Is it just too big of a threat? I would assume that it would be the first thing to be D slapped anyway.

1500 points list and I have a 330 point knight in it. It does turn one before it can do anything after being hit by ranged D. I still have 1170 points of army left to make a game of it.

If my knight was 480 points then I only have 1020 points of army left... Simple as that really.

MaxZ wrote:

Intercessor wrote:Looks good the only thing I worry about putting these dual avengers in lists is getting D slapped turn one.

Grief wrote:Wraith Knight with ranged D or even melee D will back hand slap your IK like a hoe (farming implement)

What exactly makes the IK so vulnerable to getting D Slapped when running dual gats? Is it just too big of a threat? I would assume that it would be the first thing to be D slapped anyway.

No invul save in close combat. A WK with sword n board will slice the IK at i5 with 5 str D melee.

Wraith guards will have enough str D shots to get past 4+ invul ion shield is they get close.

If enough scat bikes focus and glance on 6s when shooting side armor you may lose 1 or 2 hp.

I watched a marine player with only 7 lascannons on his razorbacks, tacs, devs, destroy 2 IKs. He also had grav cents to glance them down. So the small combination of grav and lascannons was enough to wreck 2 IKs and the remaining 700pts. This is anecdotical so dont heed my story.

Grief wrote:

MaxZ wrote:

Intercessor wrote:Looks good the only thing I worry about putting these dual avengers in lists is getting D slapped turn one.

Grief wrote:Wraith Knight with ranged D or even melee D will back hand slap your IK like a hoe (farming implement)

What exactly makes the IK so vulnerable to getting D Slapped when running dual gats? Is it just too big of a threat? I would assume that it would be the first thing to be D slapped anyway.

No invul save in close combat. A WK with sword n board will slice the IK at i5 with 5 str D melee.

Wraith guards will have enough str D shots to get past 4+ invul ion shield is they get close.

If enough scat bikes focus and glance on 6s when shooting side armor you may lose 1 or 2 hp.

I watched a marine player with only 7 lascannons on his razorbacks, tacs, devs, destroy 2 IKs. He also had grav cents to glance them down. So the small combination of grav and lascannons was enough to wreck 2 IKs and the remaining 700pts. This is anecdotical so dont heed my story.

Ah I see. As it stands, my chaos list would lack a lot of punch to go up against the other strong armies at the moment. Obviously I could make the cabal death star, but thats a bit unfluffy for Iron Warriors in my opinion. Now I know I cant both have the cake and eat it, but does anyone have any reccomendations for a way to effectively run a renegade knight in this list? The close combat options seem slightly underwhelming for me, unless I am mistaken.

The tried and test Chaos Knight being grimored for a 2++ reroll and invisible by tzeentch heralds on discs is battle proven. I dont like it because you spend roughly 370pts to support the Knight with psychic abilities n the grimoire.

Try running msu marines. 6 guys 1 melta gun in a rhino.

Use cultists or Renegade and Heretics from Imperial Armor : Siege of Vraks

Also the warpsmith and aura of dark glory and mark of tzeentch is a waste as you can get sigil for the same 4++.

get a void shield generator, by the time the shield breaks the wraithknight should be as good as dead

Take a Crimson Slaughter Sorcerer with the Balestar of Mannon on a bike. Stay behind the Knight, using him for cover and roll for Invisibility, if you don't get that, then use the Prescience from the Balestar to give the dual avengers re-rolls to hit.