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Heyo

I emailed FW about DFS (Discount Free Sofas) and they said, in effect 'no worries, we're working on it. For now come up with some house rules for your group' so here's my first draft for stuff I know is missing from Aeronautica.

I'm using the basic flyer per-race or nearest equivalent with modifiers:

supersonic = +2 pursuit
vector dancer = +1 agility + 1 pursuit
agile = + 1 agility

and some common sense.

USR

Flare Storm
Once per game, all flyers in a flyer wing or detachment may expend their remaining flares. Until their next movement phase, they have a 4+ invulnerable save against shooting attacks.

Flight of heroes
if a unit is within 18 inches of 3 or more models with the Distinctive Paint Scheme or Markings wargear, it improves it's leadership characteristic by 2 to a maximum of 10.

Generic Formations

Attack Flight
2-4 attack flyers of any type

Shock assault
On the turn in which this formation first arrives from reserve, armour and cover save attributes against shooting attacks from models in the formation are modified to be 1 point worse (2+ save becomes 3+ save etc). This modifier is not cumulative with itself.

Escort flight
1 bomber or other flyer with Transport capability of any type
1-3 fighters of any type

Fighter Screen
When an enemy flyer causes a glancing or penetrating hit on a model in this formation, roll a dice. on a 3+ the hit instead affects the nearest Fighter from the formation within 12".

Fighter Wing
2-4 Fighters of any type

Apex of Victory
If within 18" of 2 or more models from this formation, enemy flyers reduce their pursuit and agility characteristics by 1

Bomber Flight
2-4 Bombers

Coordinated drop
If 2 or more bombers from this formation drop bombs on the same unit, each bomb is resolved as one size larger than normal (small blast becomes large blast, large blast becomes massive blast etc)

Imperial Navy

Thunderbolt Fighter
Fighter - P4 - A3 - 1-4 models/squadron

It's supposed to be the general purpose fighter made of spare guardsman armour

Lightning
Fighter - P4 - A4 - 1-4 models/squadron

It's a supersonic Agile fighter, made of paper

Vulture Gunship
Attack Flyer - P2 - A4 - 1-4 models/squadron

It's a more nimble Valkyrie with a huge engine

Aquila Lander
Attack Flyer/Fighter - P2 - A3 - 1-4 models/squadron

Nobody uses these, so it should be able to switch roles as needed to make it borderline useful

Valkyrie Sky Talon
Attack Flyer - P1/2 - A3/4 - 1-4 models/squadron (transport)

It's an overloaded Valkyrie, the first profile being used when carrying a vehicle

Marauder Bomber
Bomber - P1 - A2 - Single

It's a HUJE bomber. The two heavy Bolter turrets may choose to gain Skyfire before resolving a shooting attack.

Marauder Destroyer
Attack Flyer - P1 - A2 - Single

It's a close air support missile boat. The heavy Bolter turrets may choose to gain Skyfire before resolving a shooting attack.

Arvus Lighter
Attack Flyer - P1 - A1 - 1-4 models/squadron

I have nothing to say about this.

Avenger Strike Fighter
Attack Flyer - P3 - A3 - 1-4 models/squadron

It's a supersonic A-10 expy

Space Marines

Storm Eagle Assault Gunship
Attack Flyer - P2 - A2 - May replace any storm raven in any formation, gaining any benefits the storm raven would receive

It's an even bigger/heavier Storm raven using the same engines

Caestus Assault Ram
Attack Flyer - P5 - A2 - May replace 1 storm raven in any formation, but does not gain any benefits.

It's a supersonic storm raven with less fancy equipment (it would shake loose)

Thunderhawk Gunship
Attack Flyer - P3 - A2 - (Transport) May replace 1 storm raven in any formation, gaining any benefits the storm raven would receive

It's 3 storm ravens glued together

Thunderhawk Transporter
Attack Flyer - P3/4 - A2/3 - Single

t's all the engines of the Thunderhawk with less weight. Use the second profile when it's not transporting anything

Landspeeder Tempest
Attack Flyer - P3 - A3 - May replace a StormTalon in any formation

It can't actually shoot when flying, but it should be able to out fly most things

Orks

Fighta-Bommer
Fighter/Bomber P4 - A2 - May replace a Dakka Jet or Blitza Bommer in any formation

It's a Fighta, AND a Bomma boss!

Attak Fighta
Fighter P4 - A2 - May replace a Dakka Jet in any formation

It's dead killy boss.

Eldar

Phoenix Bomber
Bomber P5 - A4 - Single

It's an even bigger Voidraven

Nightwing Interceptor
Fighter P5 - A4 - May replace Crimson Hunters in any formation, gaining appropriate benefits.

Eldar did fighters before they were cool

Lynx
Attack Flyer P4 - A3 - Single

It cant shoot, but it can dodge

Vampire Hunter/ Vampire Raider
Attack Flyer P5 - A3 - Single

You just *try* and out run an Eldar super heavy flyer

Tyranids
ha ha ha no.

Tau

Barracuda
Fighter P4 - A4 - 1-4 models
It's a super sonic, agile Razorshark, but it's not Eldar so it can't be P5, instead it rerolls P tests

Tiger Shark/AX-1-0
Attack Flyer P2 - A2 - May replace a single Razorshark in any formation
It's the Razorshark's big brother

Orca
Attack Flyer P3 - A3 - Single
It's a Thunderhawk with variable geometry engines

Manta
Attack Flyer P6 - A6 - Single
What Is This I Don't Even

Remora Drone Fighter
Fighter/attack flyer P3 - A3 - 1-5 models

It's a drone based multi role flyer

Dark Eldar

Raven Strike Fighter
Fighter P5 – A4 - May replace Razorwing Jetfighters in any formation
It's an even faster/lighter Razorwing, but since a 6 wouldn't work, may roll 2 dice for any Pursuit or Agility characteristic test, choosing which result to use.

Chaos

Flyer Marks
Mark of Chaos Undivided +25pts
Any unit shot at by this model reduces its leadership characteristic by 1 until the next player turn turn. This penalty is not cumulative with itself.

Mark of Khorne + 10 pts
May reroll P and A tests during the dogfight phase

Mark of Slaanesh + 25 pts
Vehicle gains +1 A and +1P

Mark of Tzeentch the Deceiver +50 pts
During the dogfight phase, may select two options on the maneuver table and choose which to use after your opponent has revealed their decision

Mark of Tzeentch the Destroyer +20 pts
All the flyer's weapons except bombs gain the Rending and Gets Hot USR

Storm Eagle Assault Gunship
Attack Flyer - P2 - A2 1-4 models/squadron

Hell Blade
Fighter - P4 - A4 - 1-4 models/squadron

It's a Chaos Lightning

Hell Talon
Attack Flyer or Bomber - P4 - A4 - 1-4 models/squadron
It's a slightly better Thunderbolt. uses the Bomber profile if given heavy bombs

Blight Drone
Attack Flyer - P2 - A2 - 1-4 models/squadron

It's a slow Vulture. May not take marks.

Papa Nurgle's Gravy Delivery
0-4 Blight Drones

Filth Glorious Filth
Every blight drone in the formation may fire it's maw cannons with assault (x) where X is the number of blight drones from the formation within 3"


Did I miss any?

malamis wrote:
Aquila Lander
Attack Flyer/Fighter - P2 - A3 - 1-4 models/squadron

Nobody uses these, so it should be able to switch roles as needed to make it borderline useful

OOP and not supported anymore, and letting them be fighters doesn't make much sense. It's a transport with a single gun, not a proper combat aircraft.

Interdiction Flight
0-1 Marauder Destroyer
0-4 Vulture Gunships, or Avenger Strike Fighters

For Enothis and The Emperor!
Once per game, all units in this formation double the number of shots for each weapon ( so heavy 2 becomes heavy 4 etc) if in an attack pattern. One use only weapons do not benefit.

As much as I want to abuse this it's probably broken. 40-dice punisher cannons or 14-dice bolt cannons on top of whatever the Marauder is throwing, with all of the benefits of an attack pattern, is probably just too much.

 Peregrine wrote:

malamis wrote:
Aquila Lander
Attack Flyer/Fighter - P2 - A3 - 1-4 models/squadron

Nobody uses these, so it should be able to switch roles as needed to make it borderline useful

OOP and not supported anymore, and letting them be fighters doesn't make much sense. It's a transport with a single gun, not a proper combat aircraft.

Didn't realise it was actually OOP - I figured at least this way it could be ineffective in two roles instead of just one, but fair point

Interdiction Flight
0-1 Marauder Destroyer
0-4 Vulture Gunships, or Avenger Strike Fighters

For Enothis and The Emperor!
Once per game, all units in this formation double the number of shots for each weapon ( so heavy 2 becomes heavy 4 etc) if in an attack pattern. One use only weapons do not benefit.

As much as I want to abuse this it's probably broken. 40-dice punisher cannons or 14-dice bolt cannons on top of whatever the Marauder is throwing, with all of the benefits of an attack pattern, is probably just too much.

You're right and that was inexcusable - i've scrapped all of them and replaced with a generic formation with a -1 modifer to armour and cover saves.

Why on earth did you make the Phoenix BOMBER a Fighter instead of a Bomber? At best you could get away with it being an Attack Fighter but straight up Fighter, no. Also I don't think swapping out Hemlock Wraithfighters for Nightwings is a good idea, keep it like for like so it can replace only Crimson Hunters.

 Imateria wrote:
Why on earth did you make the Phoenix BOMBER a Fighter instead of a Bomber? At best you could get away with it being an Attack Fighter but straight up Fighter, no. Also I don't think swapping out Hemlock Wraithfighters for Nightwings is a good idea, keep it like for like so it can replace only Crimson Hunters.

Copy paste error there I think, mea culpa.

Like for like applied but i'd be interested to see your reasoning behind it? is it simply a case of too drastically different roles?

 Peregrine wrote:

malamis wrote:
Aquila Lander
Attack Flyer/Fighter - P2 - A3 - 1-4 models/squadron

Nobody uses these, so it should be able to switch roles as needed to make it borderline useful

OOP and not supported anymore, and letting them be fighters doesn't make much sense. It's a transport with a single gun, not a proper combat aircraft.

I know of at least one person still using the Aquila Lander, and while yes, it's useless, it still is in IA:Aeronautica and is supported, even though it's OOP

malamis wrote:

 Imateria wrote:
Why on earth did you make the Phoenix BOMBER a Fighter instead of a Bomber? At best you could get away with it being an Attack Fighter but straight up Fighter, no. Also I don't think swapping out Hemlock Wraithfighters for Nightwings is a good idea, keep it like for like so it can replace only Crimson Hunters.

Copy paste error there I think, mea culpa.

Like for like applied but i'd be interested to see your reasoning behind it? is it simply a case of too drastically different roles?

Am I wrong and the Hemlock Wraithfighter is a Fighter and not Attack Fighter? If thats the case then yes, have it possible to switch the Nightwing for either but otherwise just leave it to swap for the Crimson Hunter.

The hemlock is an attack fighter - not entirely sure how I missed that

Why on earth is the manta a P6 A6 is beyond me, that thing is one of the slowest, most rigid moving flyers in the game (it actually doesn't have the "hard ot hit" rule because it's so damn big and an easy target)

What is it? its an army transporting another army.

Oh god, the Gravy Delivery has me in stitches!

I would gladly bring both my drones and keep them together to fire both mawcannons twice! Heck, that would be tempting enough to get a 3rd! The flame template might just outclass the blast in many situations, being able to just plant so many ignore cover wounds on stuff.

 BoomWolf wrote:
Why on earth is the manta a P6 A6 is beyond me, that thing is one of the slowest, most rigid moving flyers in the game (it actually doesn't have the "hard ot hit" rule because it's so damn big and an easy target)

What is it? its an army transporting another army.

Find me someone who has a manta and i'll change it X)




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 gwarsh41 wrote:
Oh god, the Gravy Delivery has me in stitches!

I would gladly bring both my drones and keep them together to fire both mawcannons twice! Heck, that would be tempting enough to get a 3rd! The flame template might just outclass the blast in many situations, being able to just plant so many ignore cover wounds on stuff.

My Main Fellow Forgeworld Junky makes use of these extensively so I have a good understanding of how they work/don't work all that well. Hence put them in a fortitude formation and get (from memory) 16 flying autocannon shots for some 500 pts. In the era of Grav, that's barely worth thinking twice about.

Nice work !


For the Chaos HellBlade: Why not make it like a Razorwing Jetfighter (Pursuit 5, Agility 5)

Reasonning: Same armor value (10 everywhere), supersonic on both, they are both super quick


For the Chaos Hell Talon - Why not make it like a Voidraven Bomber (Pursuit 5, Agility 4)

Reasonning: Same armor value (10 everywhere), supersonic on both, they are "fast" bombers


Missing profile for Chaos Fire Raptor:

Attack Flyer - Like a Stormraven Gunship (Pursuit 3, Agility 2)

Reasonning: Same armor value (12 everywhere), both are weapon platforms

 Drachnyen wrote:
Nice work !

For the Chaos HellBlade: Why not make it like a Razorwing Jetfighter (Pursuit 5, Agility 5)

Reasonning: Same armor value (10 everywhere), supersonic on both, they are both super quick

For the Chaos Hell Talon - Why not make it like a Voidraven Bomber (Pursuit 5, Agility 4)

Reasonning: Same armor value (10 everywhere), supersonic on both, they are "fast" bombers

The reason I didn't give anything besides Eldar 5 on anything is it's fluff wise, style wise, and armament wise appropriate that eldar are the fastestest. If that were not the case then the Lightning would be able to take on a Hemlock on equal terms (as it's got the same attributes as a hell talon), which doesn't make sense however you cut it. Plus if you consider that the best initative a (non augment) 'human' model in the game has is 4, and that is itself quite rare, basic initiative of eldar is 'a lot more than 4' would be represented in the reaction speed of the pilot, hence A5 where it happens.

Now if you want to give your hell-Xs a mark of Slaanesh for, say +25 pts respectively to gain P5/A5, that would make good sense. Since you've inspired it, i'll add flyer specific Chaos marks.

 Drachnyen wrote:


Missing profile for Chaos Fire Raptor:

Attack Flyer - Like a Stormraven Gunship (Pursuit 3, Agility 2)

Reasonning: Same armor value (12 everywhere), both are weapon platforms

Knew i'd forgotten one, thanks :|

malamis wrote:
Heyo

supersonic = +2 pursuit
vector dancer = +1 agility + 1 pursuit
agile = + 1 agility

and some common sense.

Tiger Shark/AX-1-0
Attack Flyer P2 - A2 - May replace a single Razorshark in any formation
It's the Razorshark's big brother

the Tiger Shark (both) have Supersonic, so shouldn't they be P4? i can understand giving them A2, at this time (though i feel they might have higher stats when the official numbers come out. The tigershark has some great wing area which could be useful for boosting Agility (in and out of Atmosphere)).

Missing a profile for the necron bomber.