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And i don't mean Tek-Heresy on the level of "let me jury-rig this little device."

I'm talking full-on, "let's create a doctrine that flies in the face of AdMech/Ecclesiarchy."

So... who gets first swipe at the heretics?

Heresy is generally an Inquisition matter - and if our tek-heretics are dabbling with daemons, xenos tech, etc. i'm sure the respective Ordo gets involved.

If so - what role does AdMech play in hunting down Tek-heretics? Is there a specific Cult within AdMech that actually does this sort of thing? I know in the Dark Heresy RPG, the Calixis sector has a kind of operational unit called the "Agents of the Lords Dragon" which end up cooperating with the Inquisition in a begrudging sort of way.

And what if its just "plain old" Tek-Heresy akin to trying to make a thinking machine? Does the Inquisition wash its hands and tap the Red priest on the shoulder saying "ok..your turn to deal with this."

In terms of "who gets dibs" I would imagine its very similar to the way the inquisition and the ecclesiarchy "cooperate" on heretics in the more main stream imperium. Being they kind of do there own thing and squabble a bit when their paths cross

Its 40k so it depends:

Who discovers it and how and to whom its reported
Who is available to respond and what resources they have
Is there any benefit in a given authority responding before the others
Which authority has the most power in the area
How well they get on
What connections the heretics themselves have
Who is involved in the Heresy - is it independant engineers or a authroised (but off the books) experminet by a Imperial or Mechanicum faction.

In the example yous site, It lies wthin the authority of the Mechcanicum, the Inquisiton and the Church - none of whom share well. Of these the Inqusition has the most power - but only technically, and the other two are more likely to have resources in the area to take control and start burnign people and the like.

so it depends on the narrative that is being created.

There's a prison and a police-cult mentioned for tech-heretics in Cybernetica, the horus heresy novella. I don't remember the name of either though.

The Collegiate Extremis is responsible for dealing with Hereteks.

 Lord_Inquisitor_Doge wrote:
The Collegiate Extremis is responsible for dealing with Hereteks.

Despite how the wiki portrays it, that information is only applicable to the Calixis Sector - the Lords Dragon are noted in the Lathe Worlds book as being a Calixian sect.

It depends. If the heretek in question is just some mad scientist in his basement, everyone from the Arbites, to the Inquisition, to the Eccesiarchy can render judgement.

If however, the heretek has ties with the Admech then only an Inquisitor or someone higher up in the Mechanicus has jurisdiction, due to the Mechanicus's status as basically a state within a state in the larger Imperium. Actually, members of the admech tend to more zealously pursue renegades from their own ranks than Inquisitors do. Their reverence for machines makes them take more personal offence at the crimes, they want to save themselves from embarrassment, and of course they have easier access to info on hereteks from their own ranks.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Lord_Inquisitor_Doge wrote:
The Collegiate Extremis is responsible for dealing with Hereteks.

Despite how the wiki portrays it, that information is only applicable to the Calixis Sector - the Lords Dragon are noted in the Lathe Worlds book as being a Calixian sect.

I should have guessed when I couldn't find a page about it in Lexicanum.

A Black Library book - Dark Adeptus - talks about a magos who's trying to alert the Mechanicus at large of....various nefarious doings.

He essentially says "they'll send an entire diagnostic coven" or words to that effect. One of Czevak's assorted misfits was also mentioned as a former Diagnostic Coven member.

I can't recall ever seeing one appear 'on camera' but clearly they exist.


Also, the Inquisition Codex mentions a minor ordo badged as the Ordo Machinum, whose remit specifically is "The Judicators of the Forge" - oversight of the adeptus mechanicus.

As far as the Inquisition is involved it will as a general rule be handled by the Ordo Hereticus. The reason for this is that the Adeptus Mechanicus falls under the "Adeptus" branches of the Imperium which is primarily under the scrutiny of Ordo Hereticus. Of course each case would be unique.

OK, I got off my arse (figuratively) and looked up the HH reference;

'... heresy - in one form or another - is nothing new. Mars was rife with unsanctioned experimentation, the embrace of abominate technologies and solutions sought from the xenos or the beyond.' As Kane began to protest, the Carrion added, 'Which the clave-malagra of the Lexorcist General, the Divisio Probandi and the Prefecture Magisterium were tireless in their efforts to hunt down and persecute.'

So we have three bodies mentioned here;
The clave-malagra of the Lexorcist General. A clave is a percussion instrument, so we can probably assume this is derived from enclave, or sheltered gathering. Malagra is a place in Spain, so this is also likely a made up word. Possible from mal meaning bad or evil, and agri meaning field. One of the meanings of field is area of study, so a clave-malagra is possibly a group presiding over evil studies.

Lexorcist General is probably a portmanteau of lexicographer and exorcist, so someone who banishes bad writing.

Divisio Probandi. Division of probing. Investigators. They are, however, noted as being the ones to erase references to hereteks in the archive to protect the reputations of their associates;

'Re-written, erased. Even from such as yourself, Fabricator General. To make clear the feudal politics in the region and save his construct-kindred embarrassment, the Divisio Probandi had code scrubbers remove all trace of Bool's existence from the tombs, the libraria and even local hubstreams.

Prefecture Magisterium. This appears to be a court of some kind, first referenced by a location;

the subterranean doom of the Prefecture Magisterium dungeon diagnoplex.

Noted members;
RAMAN SYNK
Lexorcist and ward engine, A covenant agent of the Machine Cult, charged with prosecuting techno-heresy for the Prefecture Magisterium, the Malagra and the Lexorcist General of Mars, Raman Synk wore the rust-red robes of a Martian priest and had a cadaver's face and missing jaw.

So it really does seem like the Mechanicum, depending on the Sector, does have some sort of body that handles the Tek-Heresy situation....which inevitably bumps into the Inquisitions sphere of affairs.

Inevitably they will start to try and pull rank on each other......

Sounds pretty much like just another day in the Imperium....

 Nerak wrote:
As far as the Inquisition is involved it will as a general rule be handled by the Ordo Hereticus. The reason for this is that the Adeptus Mechanicus falls under the "Adeptus" branches of the Imperium which is primarily under the scrutiny of Ordo Hereticus. Of course each case would be unique.

The AdMech does not fall under the Imperium at all. The AdMech is a seperate sovereign empire in alliance with the Imperium of Man. Tech-heresy would not be normally handled by the Ordo Hereticus, as it would be outside the area of expertise of an Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor. It is kinda hard to prosecute something you don't know much about. I doubt most Inquisitors would be able to tell the difference between a heretek and a non-heretek techpriest. The Inquisition does have a special Ordo that deals with the AdMech and tech-heresy, the Ordo Machinum. Though it seems that mostly, tech-heresy is handled by the tech-priests themselves. In Dark Heresy, it states that the AdMech's punishment for a heretek is to rip out their implants and convert them into a servitor.

Probably because their stasis prison got blown up in the Heresy!

 Furyou Miko wrote:

Lexorcist General is probably a portmanteau of lexicographer and exorcist, so someone who banishes bad writing.

And doesn't GW need a few more of those... chortle chortle knowing look nudge nudge wink wink say no more... does she go?

There's plenty of fluff examples of AdMech taking any sort of neato widget that they can get their hands on. They do fight wars over objects they believe powerful enough to warrant it. As to whom in the empire would deem it bad tech? Gotta be an inquisitor call in my book, but I can easily see just about anyone in the ecclesiarchy being able to raise enough rucus over it to get the inquisition to look into something as well.


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Also, this is assuming that some rogue trader hasn't got a loophole as well.

 Flinty wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:

Lexorcist General is probably a portmanteau of lexicographer and exorcist, so someone who banishes bad writing.

And doesn't GW need a few more of those... chortle chortle knowing look nudge nudge wink wink say no more... does she go?

Oh, gods yes.