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 oldzoggy wrote:

 G00fySmiley wrote:
depends on the unbound army, I would nto have a problem with what you posted, but a person bringing say 4 fully kitted wulfen squads with librarian conclaves to points max... might pass on that

I love it how all I am not going to play against that cheese are perfect examples of bound lists : P

This is just one Wulfen Murderpack formation + a Lib conclave formation.

I have had to face it, it was technically legal, but if the person brought it again and was looking for a game I would just pass and hope somebody else came along, I play standard non tailored point slists and nothing can compete with it (that I will play)... same goes for these new formations with free wargear, somehow I have seen people with 2200 points of stuff in an 1850 army and that is somehow "bound" and ok because free equipment is ok

Yes. Many formations are waaaaaaaaay filthier.

I would appreciate being told why though, and even if it was cheesy as Hell, I wouldn't have a problem with it if it was tournament testing.

It's most important to play people you get along with.

Everything else is secondary.

If they use it to bring a cool, fluffy list then that's all cool and I love fluffy lists.

If they use it bring a cheese platter... well I do play Eldar.

Well I came up with one case where unbound would allow something formations might not allow. Spamming multiple CHEAP one model units. Mainly ork buggies. 20 of those with linked rokkits for example. Or deth koptas. Pretty sure those aren't in formations(formation that has say 3 units of 3 isn't nearly as good) and HQ+2 troops per 3 would get pretty expensive tax for bunch of circa 40pts models.

Not that said list would be ubercheese to begin with...

Yoyoyo wrote:
It's most important to play people you get along with.

Everything else is secondary.

Sometimes finding someone you get along with is difficult. If I lug my models to the store, I want a game!

Because my friend and I are just starting out and only i've truly attempted to read past unit types and get into building an army, we both run unbound. However, if it's competitive, i'll use some form of CAD or detachment. Only issue, like many, is the Titan. IDK if he also had some form of SH, but if he didn't, he might not have fun playing against you.

This poll needs more context, but in general no. If I go to the club to play a game I am bringing a bound list and will only play other bound lists. Exceptions can be made, but usually not.

tneva82 wrote:
Well I came up with one case where unbound would allow something formations might not allow. Spamming multiple CHEAP one model units. Mainly ork buggies. 20 of those with linked rokkits for example. Or deth koptas.

I play similar lists from time to time. The reason for it is that the ork codex is one of the only codexes who are actually restricted by their force org options. The current codex makes it impossible for me to run all sorts of armies I would like to run with orks. Does this result in something cheesier then other armies can do bound with the help of formations ? Not even close.

Unbound is legal by the rules. Refuse to play and you are either breaking the rules or being a spoilsport.

That said unless its only slightly unbound, or a silly kind of unbound then I would at least ask them to tone down the cheese

I.E I'd happily play against a guy who ran 1500 points of nothing but Mega Nobs but I'd ask someone running nothing but Riptides to tone down their list or let me tailor mine

 Overlord Thraka wrote:
Unbound is legal by the rules. Refuse to play and you are either breaking the rules or being a spoilsport.

That said unless its only slightly unbound, or a silly kind of unbound then I would at least ask them to tone down the cheese

I.E I'd happily play against a guy who ran 1500 points of nothing but Mega Nobs but I'd ask someone running nothing but Riptides to tone down their list or let me tailor mine

Again both options can be done perfectly in bound...

All meganobz -> Bully boyz.
All Riptides -> Riptide wing.





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That riptide dude might even be "a good guy" to go unbound since the bound option would give him some serious advantages.

I would play an unbound opponent.

Point of interest, you can use formations in an unbound army and get the benefit of those formations special rules, the only thing you lose by going unbound is the ability to take detachments other than formations, so no CAD, Ork Horde Det, Allied Det, and of course you can't have a warlord trait.

I've thinking about doing a Kult of Speed Ork list, at present the best way to do it is unbound because with all the Fast Attack Slots needed the troop tax becomes too taxing in detachments as well as being a bit unfluffy. Using Zhadsnark as a warlord doesn't help much as his rule that allows warbikerz to be taken as troops is a warlord trait so effectively not doing anything for you that unbound doesn't do better without a warlord trait, and Zhardshank hasn't been updated for 7th so lacks "ere we go". The only actual benefit of using Zhadsnark to make a battle forged Kult of Speed is to get obsec on the bikes which is still kind of meh for the other restrictions of doing it battle forged.

 curran12 wrote:
Depends on the context, but probably.

This.

If you play unbound because you want to use a themed army or one of the older army variants that really isn't possible with the newer books? That's great. That's what it's there for. Flying Swarms, Kult of Speed, Assault Company...I'm fine with that.

If you play unbound cause you basically just want to ignore a Force Org chart and stack as many of Broken Unit X as you can? Then no.

If you're playing unbound with an army that actually slots into a detachment but for some reason are choosing not to use the detachment...I'd ask you...why? You're literally just taking free benefits and throwing them away for no real reason.

 Overlord Thraka wrote:
Unbound is legal by the rules. Refuse to play and you are either breaking the rules .

Page and paragraph citation on where in the rulebook it says players must accept all games.

 Overlord Thraka wrote:
Unbound is legal by the rules. Refuse to play and you are either breaking the rules or being a spoilsport.

Whether or not you're a spoilsport for refusing a game based off of the fact that an army is Unbound is up for very much debate as well as being highly subjective and highly situational. As for breaking the rules, you're not breaking the rules for refusing a game since the rules are not applicable if you aren't playing the game.

 Overlord Thraka wrote:
That said unless its only slightly unbound, or a silly kind of unbound then I would at least ask them to tone down the cheese

How can a list be 'slightly unbound'?

Yes. Unbound is just a relic from when gw still hadn't understood that they could give away bonuses for fielding the models you like.
you are basically playing with formation with no special bonuses.
Also, your list is nothing so cheesy. Besides the super - heavy, that i won't like, i'd be perfectly fine for a match up. Also, sound fun to play against, so, yeah. next time bring to the table, to that guy, a perfectly "legal" gladius strike force with a couple knights and see how he likes it.

I'd never force sombody, but since I heavily care about the background aspect, that really disturbs me. Last time, I was to play against Eldar/Dark Eldar list, but I kindly asked my opponent if he would mind keeping only one faction on the table. Of course, if you come across some vain guy whose only aim's to crush you, that won't do and you'd better not to play against him.

That's my humble opinion.

Depends on the list. I won't play against any more than 3 of the same (non troops) unit.

I bet a unbound list you are likely to actually fave would be less OP than the battleforged armies that are being played now.

If you play unbound cause you basically just want to ignore a Force Org chart and stack as many of Broken Unit X as you can? Then no.

Ironically, you can field most spammed broken unit X's in legal formations these days, which makes the unbound version of the same army underpowered.

SJ