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 auticus wrote:


I say prefer because GW has never had good balanced point systems

Now that is not true. To say GW NEVER had a good balanced point system is false. They do. They have one now with The Hobbit. The point system for The Hobbit/Lord of the Rings, as I said is not perfect but is good and balanced. So claiming GW has never had a good balanced point system is just false. I agree with everything else you have to say.

hobojebus wrote:
The better question is: is it safe to invest in AoS.

Given that GW has said profits are down, that is a very good question.
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/a707e928-b5f2-11e5-b147-e5e5bba42e51.html#axzz4AXw5fzwi

Well 40k and HH arent doing that great then. Since we all know AoS does not sell

Davor wrote:

 auticus wrote:


I say prefer because GW has never had good balanced point systems

Now that is not true. To say GW NEVER had a good balanced point system is false. They do. They have one now with The Hobbit. The point system for The Hobbit/Lord of the Rings, as I said is not perfect but is good and balanced. So claiming GW has never had a good balanced point system is just false. I agree with everything else you have to say.

Sorry. In regards to WHFB or 40k they have never had a good balanced system.

The hobbit/lotr was very good. And also very few people played it... largely I feel because it was balanced and it removed a lot of math hammer and that turned people off.

Davor wrote:

Andreas 2.0 wrote:Man I can't wait for the generals handbook. It's probably terribly balanced, but at least it is something

No it's not something. I strongly disagree with this. One of the reasons why I quit playing 40K along time ago and just getting back into it now and one of the reasons why I never started Fantasy in the first place.

I don't understand this. Are people saying as long as we have points the game can be fun even if we go back to 40K or unbalanced Fantasy Battles? I don't get this. We can already do this with AoS and have unbalanced play if that is what you want. Why do we need points for that? Or is mathammering half the fun?

It is three ways to play, so if no-one wants to use points you will never meed to worry about it. But if points are what everyone wants then you may be in trouble.

I find alot of people who hate points now a days have a very very good win record..... I wonder.

OgreChubbs wrote:
It is three ways to play, so if no-one wants to use points you will never meed to worry about it.

Really? Just look at 40K 6th edition, and how many people tell other people you CAN'T play Unbound? People to this very day say you can't play Unbound. So I can see this happening to AoS as well.

Davor wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
It is three ways to play, so if no-one wants to use points you will never meed to worry about it.

Really? Just look at 40K 6th edition, and how many people tell other people you CAN'T play Unbound? People to this very day say you can't play Unbound. So I can see this happening to AoS as well.

It's hard enough getting a fair game with points without its impossible.

You can do unbound with friends but never with pugs because it just becomes a case of he with the bigger budget wins.

When points come in that'll be the only version strangers will accept.

Davor wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
It is three ways to play, so if no-one wants to use points you will never meed to worry about it.

Really? Just look at 40K 6th edition, and how many people tell other people you CAN'T play Unbound? People to this very day say you can't play Unbound. So I can see this happening to AoS as well.

There's a thread over in 40k General about that; a lot of people are saying 'Sure, but it depends on the list'. Obviously that's going to differ from playgroup to playgroup.

Although if everyone wants to play with a balancing mechanism besides eyeballing it...perhaps there's a reason?

as for safe to invest, sure, doesn't matter if it is for AoS or whatever, they are good models. I personally love my little nightgoblin hordes. because orcs and orruks are sissies.

Why'd you have to remind me of LOTR? It was a damn fine game, and if only GW had switched fantasy over to that system, all would have been perfect (Talking about the skirmish one, not the movement tray abomination :p )

I'll have to agree, once official points become a thing it will be very rare to see games not using points.

hobojebus wrote:

Davor wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
It is three ways to play, so if no-one wants to use points you will never meed to worry about it.

Really? Just look at 40K 6th edition, and how many people tell other people you CAN'T play Unbound? People to this very day say you can't play Unbound. So I can see this happening to AoS as well.

It's hard enough getting a fair game with points without its impossible.

You can do unbound with friends but never with pugs because it just becomes a case of he with the bigger budget wins.

When points come in that'll be the only version strangers will accept.

I am really scared now for points coming into AoS. I made a small comment about it happening just like 40K, then a few people say you can play any way you want after The General Handbook is out and now we have our first post saying you CAN'T play in a PUGS without points.

So here you go everyone just like I said, to play Pick Up Games YOU WILL NEED POINTS playing as we do now can only be done with friends. So looks like I am right after all.

Of course you are right points will win out. A broken system is better then no system. I hate bring what ever just wing it, it killed whfb/aos for me and by whfb I mean the last hope I could still use my models.

I would rather have a lsit for 500 - 1000 - 1500 points then, hey grab two or three suit cases and bring them with ya and hope you can find a game people think is balanced.

Horror story ( this guy around here for the first two weeks said we can have fun now with aos and be balanced so he brought 1 of each greater daemons, glotkin and a bunch of horrors.

Then told everyone it is a fair game if each of them would bring 5 lords/ heroes and about half his ammount of horrors. Long story short no one played him he stopped showing up. Then everyone started to just avoid it.

 CoreCommander wrote:

Spiky Norman wrote:

What I am really interested in, is the Path to Glory type campaign system, that's rumoured to be in the Generals Handbook :-)

You can buy it from BL now. I'm pretty sure it will be exactly the same - a re-print.

Actually it wont be. I was talking with our regional manager for GW and about a month ago they had a sales meeting at the US HQ where all the managers were allowed to look through the General's Handbook for about 5-10 min.

One of the things he saw was that for Path of Glory, while the basic rules are more or less the same, the system has been expanded to include every faction. So it now functions more like an RPG-ish campaign where non-Chaos armies can also grow, gain unit bonuses, and empower their general.

OgreChubbs wrote:
Of course you are right points will win out. A broken system is better then no system. I hate bring what ever just wing it, it killed whfb/aos for me and by whfb I mean the last hope I could still use my models.

I would rather have a lsit for 500 - 1000 - 1500 points then, hey grab two or three suit cases and bring them with ya and hope you can find a game people think is balanced.

Horror story ( this guy around here for the first two weeks said we can have fun now with aos and be balanced so he brought 1 of each greater daemons, glotkin and a bunch of horrors.

Then told everyone it is a fair game if each of them would bring 5 lords/ heroes and about half his ammount of horrors. Long story short no one played him he stopped showing up. Then everyone started to just avoid it.

TFG loves systems with no balance, people like that destroy gaming groups it's amazing how one guy can suck the fun out of something.

hobojebus wrote:
it's amazing how one guy can suck the fun out of something.

Lol, you don't say...

 Bottle wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
it's amazing how one guy can suck the fun out of something.

Lol, you don't say...

True. True.

Spiky Norman wrote:

 Bottle wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
it's amazing how one guy can suck the fun out of something.

Lol, you don't say...

True. True.

...and typically they never go away because they're convinced they're right.

Typically they are right

Jokes aside, safety should really be no concern of yours if you like the miniatures. If your fun depends on whether or not said miniatures are going to be officially supported, then no, it is not a safe investment. You can still use Grimgor and Azagh in AoS. Use the correspondent warscrolls or just make them up yourself, it's not like they put much thought into them anyway.

hobojebus wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
Of course you are right points will win out. A broken system is better then no system. I hate bring what ever just wing it, it killed whfb/aos for me and by whfb I mean the last hope I could still use my models.

I would rather have a lsit for 500 - 1000 - 1500 points then, hey grab two or three suit cases and bring them with ya and hope you can find a game people think is balanced.

Horror story ( this guy around here for the first two weeks said we can have fun now with aos and be balanced so he brought 1 of each greater daemons, glotkin and a bunch of horrors.

Then told everyone it is a fair game if each of them would bring 5 lords/ heroes and about half his ammount of horrors. Long story short no one played him he stopped showing up. Then everyone started to just avoid it.

TFG loves systems with no balance, people like that destroy gaming groups it's amazing how one guy can suck the fun out of something.

His name is Nagash, and he always sucks the literal life out of any party!