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So about a year ago I wanted to get into a rank and file game decided on Warhammer. I got a box of Dwarf Thunderers to start building, but waited on the books because I heard 9th edition was coming out soon. Of course we got Age of Sigmar instead, and while I didn't share in the AoS hatefest, I was still more in the market for rank and file and AoS wasn't what I was looking for. So I went with Kings of War and decided to go ahead and buy Mantic models. Through various circumstances of life and getting distracted with other games(Star Wars X-Wing and Armada and Dice Masters), it kind of stalled, but now I'm looking to get back into some more hobby war gaming. I was kind of torn between multibasing my KoW stuff to make some really nice little army dioramas or keeping them single based and be able to play the models with other games like AoS. But with GW really trying to set their own identity and not have their fantasy stuff be as Tolkeinesque, I think the styles might diverge enough that I'm going to just multibase the KoW stuff and start a separate AoS army.

So all that being said I was looking at a Dwarf/Duardin/Dispossessed army starting with little box of thunderers I have(they don't really fit with my Mantic army anyway). But I'm kind of wondering if there's any information on where they're headed. Has their been any information on when/if the Dispossessed are getting a real AoS release, rather than just attaching the name to the existing Dwarf stuff? How have AoS versions of preexisting armies fit in with the existing stuff? Looking at the Fyreslayers on the web, I guess stylistically they are close enough to the old Dwarf Slayers they they'd fit okay together, but I haven't seen them in person. Are the scales different? I'm trying to decide if it's worth it to go ahead and buy up some old Dwarfs and just round base. Since I'm not converting an old WHFB army, I don't want to invest too much in an Army if it won't "fit" in stylistically with my force going forward. Of course if new Duardin/Dispossessed are around the corner, I may just buy some Stormcast Eternals to keep me busy since I can always play them together in a "Team Good Guys" army. Actually that's another draw to building a separate AoS army, being able to just pick and choose some neat looking units and actually being able to play them together.

bsharitt wrote:
Has their been any information on when/if the Dispossessed are getting a real AoS release, rather than just attaching the name to the existing Dwarf stuff? How have AoS versions of preexisting armies fit in with the existing stuff?Are the scales different?

There are no news at all for when non-fyreslayer dwarves will get their release as far as I know. As for the scale - most of the new releases (excluding the silver tower of which I have no knowledge whatsoever) have been models that are unnaturally large in the fiction/setting (stormcast, bloodbound, ironjawz) and so they are compared to the older ranges. The fyreslayers, you can see for yourself:

Well there have been no hints of a Dwarfs release. They have the Gotrek-Grimnir army due to fyreslayers it's only grungi's folk that need love now I suspect it's going to be next year. Scale I don't collect them but it's highly likely the fyreslayers are bigger in scale compared to the old dwarf stuff considering the new releases.

About mixing guys together that's one of the nice things about it you can mix anything in the grand alliance family. Funny thing is dwarves and human engineers have their own mini faction called the ironweld Arsenal so perhaps you can mix those in as well throw in some dwarf cannons and steam tanks.

edit: The scale is not that bad at all hmmm may start collecting some myself.

 CoreCommander wrote:

bsharitt wrote:
Has their been any information on when/if the Dispossessed are getting a real AoS release, rather than just attaching the name to the existing Dwarf stuff? How have AoS versions of preexisting armies fit in with the existing stuff?Are the scales different?

There are no news at all for when non-fyreslayer dwarves will get their release as far as I know. As for the scale - most of the new releases (excluding the silver tower of which I have no knowledge whatsoever) have been models that are unnaturally large in the fiction/setting (stormcast, bloodbound, ironjawz) and so they are compared to the older ranges. The fyreslayers, you can see for yourself:

Spoiler:

Oh, well those actually look to mix pretty well. I think I'll be able to pick up some existing Dwarfs without worry then.


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 shinros wrote:
Well there have been no hints of a Dwarfs release. They have the Gotrek-Grimnir army due to fyreslayers it's only grungi's folk that need love now I suspect it's going to be next year. Scale I don't collect them but it's highly likely the fyreslayers are bigger in scale compared to the old dwarf stuff considering the new releases.

About mixing guys together that's one of the nice things about it you can mix anything in the grand alliance family. Funny thing is dwarves and human engineers have their own mini faction called the ironweld Arsenal so perhaps you can mix those in as well throw in some dwarf cannons and steam tanks.

edit: The scale is not that bad at all hmmm may start collecting some myself.

Yeah, I just saw those. I'm still trying to figure out who is what now and what is new and all that. Might be building just a Dwarf heavy Order army.

I might pick up the book for Order so maybe I have better idea of what's going on with all these armies.

I'd thought the Dwarfs were rumored to get another release later this year with the Steamhead Duardin.

I wouldn't hold your breath for a new Dawi release anytime in the foreseeable future, not after Fyreslayers just came out(relatively recently in the grand scheme). It would be awesome though! Hopefully AoS as a whole gets some good updates with the known release this summer on the 3 ways to play. I hope they don't leave out the old armies from 8th and just update the new. Who knows though.

I can tell you I play a combo between my old school dwarfs/dispossessed and Fyreslayers. I still think the old school dwarfs still pull their weight better but the Hero's on magmadroths totally wreck face. Try them for yourself.

I have usually felt pretty underwhelmed by the regular dwarf hero's in AoS. They are 'OK' but most other armies Hero's are "Amazing". You need to use the AoS concept of factions to get the support you need.

For a good theme, go with Magmadroths... for a good Hero to totally counter other Hero's.. go stardrake.

 Rezyn wrote:
I wouldn't hold your breath for a new Dawi release anytime in the foreseeable future, not after Fyreslayers just came out(relatively recently in the grand scheme). It would be awesome though! Hopefully AoS as a whole gets some good updates with the known release this summer on the 3 ways to play. I hope they don't leave out the old armies from 8th and just update the new. Who knows though.

I can tell you I play a combo between my old school dwarfs/dispossessed and Fyreslayers. I still think the old school dwarfs still pull their weight better but the Hero's on magmadroths totally wreck face. Try them for yourself.

I have usually felt pretty underwhelmed by the regular dwarf hero's in AoS. They are 'OK' but most other armies Hero's are "Amazing". You need to use the AoS concept of factions to get the support you need.

For a good theme, go with Magmadroths... for a good Hero to totally counter other Hero's.. go stardrake.

Yeah, I'll probably be going with some Fyreslayers in my army and I'll take a look at the Magmadroths.

On another note, I know base size and shape isn't significant in AoS, but I'll be round basing any old dwarfs I get. What size are people going with? Is the small infantry size for GW now 32mm?

Base size is extremely important in AoS (unless you play models can climb over other bases - which no-one does) because it defines how many models can strike in combat.

I would look at the units on the App and see what bases they are on. 99% of Dwarf infantry are on 25mm with only a few characters (Warden King) on 32mm. No-one will have a problem if you base everything on a 32 but it will reduce the unit's combat ability.

 Bottle wrote:
Base size is extremely important in AoS (unless you play models can climb over other bases - which no-one does) because it defines how many models can strike in combat.

I would look at the units on the App and see what bases they are on. 99% of Dwarf infantry are on 25mm with only a few characters (Warden King) on 32mm. No-one will have a problem if you base everything on a 32 but it will reduce the unit's combat ability.

I didn't think about the piling in for base size. I was going by all the Fyreslayers looking like they're on 32mm bases.

Yeah, all the Fyreslayers are on 32s (and it limits their effectiveness as a result). The best rule of thumb is to go by what GW uses, or bigger (I often go bigger for characters, that scale pic above is of my own stuff and you can see the cogsmith was put on a 32mm although the GW official one is on a 25mm) - traditional dwarfs are almost all on 25mm bases in the Order Grand Alliance book. Hope this helps! :-)

As previously stated: regular Dwarfs are on 25mm, Fyreslayers/characters on 32mm.

As for the direction dwarfs are going in terms of design and scale, look at the 8th ed dwarf releases (hammerer/longbeard kit, ironbreaker/irondrake kit) as your best indicator. That was when GW really forged their own aesthetic for their Dwarfs and unless they go in a completely different direction (Steamhead) I'd suspect it would match well with that stuff. At any rate, the new Fyreslayers are actually not a larger scale, despite broad opinion and initial perception. Comparing them side-by-side reveals that the Fyreslayer infantry is the same size as the 8th ed Dwarfs but have much more dynamic posing (thus the 32mm, I suspect).

The real scale creep is in hats.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
As previously stated: regular Dwarfs are on 25mm, Fyreslayers/characters on 32mm.

As for the direction dwarfs are going in terms of design and scale, look at the 8th ed dwarf releases (hammerer/longbeard kit, ironbreaker/irondrake kit) as your best indicator. That was when GW really forged their own aesthetic for their Dwarfs and unless they go in a completely different direction (Steamhead) I'd suspect it would match well with that stuff. At any rate, the new Fyreslayers are actually not a larger scale, despite broad opinion and initial perception. Comparing them side-by-side reveals that the Fyreslayer infantry is the same size as the 8th ed Dwarfs but have much more dynamic posing (thus the 32mm, I suspect).

The real scale creep is in hats.

Agreed on the 8th ed Dwarf releases being your best bet for how things will go in future. At the time of their release there was quite a bit of wailing and gnashing of teeth over how little they looked like the old range, but setting them beside the new releases for AoS I think they fit in really well while the older range does not.

In terms of scale like NinthMusketeer says they are in scale with the 8th ed releases (in fact I suspect they have developed a CAD dwarf dolly that can get re posed and re detailed so that all dwarfs will be exactly in scale) it is just they are doing a bit more than standing stoically and have really big hats and hair.

Personally I am hoping with the Steamhead faction they go along the same lines as the Flesh Eater Courts, that is, a complete re-imagining and a new place in the world with a different style of play rather than just Warhammer dwarves in a new setting. New kits like the much rumoured golem monstrous infantry making an appearance, some kind of crewed machine drawing visual queues from the gyrocopter, some massive mechanical monster. Something to draw a line and start a new era.

As with all the old races the ones that are too like other IP will get changed to a different GW IP.

THe old dwarfs are too much Tolkien so they will get changed.

Same as the elves, I mean look at the elves in the Silver Tower, totally different style and aesthetic. Old ones were too much Tolkien.

Seraphon, basically a GW creation, dropped the Myan/Aztec style and you are sorted.

Undead, Tomb Kings are too "egyptian/ the mummy" so dropped. Carsteins too much dracula, dropped.

Bretonnians - Arthurian knights, dropped

Empire - will be interesting to see what happens here but a guess they too will be blitzed beyond the "freeguilds"

bsharitt wrote:
So about a year ago I wanted to get into a rank and file game decided on Warhammer. I got a box of Dwarf Thunderers to start building, but waited on the books because I heard 9th edition was coming out soon. Of course we got Age of Sigmar instead, and while I didn't share in the AoS hatefest, I was still more in the market for rank and file and AoS wasn't what I was looking for. So I went with Kings of War and decided to go ahead and buy Mantic models. Through various circumstances of life and getting distracted with other games(Star Wars X-Wing and Armada and Dice Masters), it kind of stalled, but now I'm looking to get back into some more hobby war gaming. I was kind of torn between multibasing my KoW stuff to make some really nice little army dioramas or keeping them single based and be able to play the models with other games like AoS. But with GW really trying to set their own identity and not have their fantasy stuff be as Tolkeinesque, I think the styles might diverge enough that I'm going to just multibase the KoW stuff and start a separate AoS army.

So all that being said I was looking at a Dwarf/Duardin/Dispossessed army starting with little box of thunderers I have(they don't really fit with my Mantic army anyway). But I'm kind of wondering if there's any information on where they're headed. Has their been any information on when/if the Dispossessed are getting a real AoS release, rather than just attaching the name to the existing Dwarf stuff? How have AoS versions of preexisting armies fit in with the existing stuff? Looking at the Fyreslayers on the web, I guess stylistically they are close enough to the old Dwarf Slayers they they'd fit okay together, but I haven't seen them in person. Are the scales different? I'm trying to decide if it's worth it to go ahead and buy up some old Dwarfs and just round base. Since I'm not converting an old WHFB army, I don't want to invest too much in an Army if it won't "fit" in stylistically with my force going forward. Of course if new Duardin/Dispossessed are around the corner, I may just buy some Stormcast Eternals to keep me busy since I can always play them together in a "Team Good Guys" army. Actually that's another draw to building a separate AoS army, being able to just pick and choose some neat looking units and actually being able to play them together.

@OP
1) dwarfs, duardin and other dwarf-like things (yes, even Gully dwarves) are awesome
2)I get you. No confirmed release for next type of duardin release but many of us are looking for this release described as steam head (maybe like Titan Forge's metal beards to some degree?) If you like them,play your duardin I find them much better and fun to play in AoS over fantasy, IMO. the scale is fine. Duardin rebased for ORDER are on 25 and Fyreslayers come on 32 so they look bigger and higher from the ground but they line up just fine. Def go get them in your hand from a local store or friend so you can see before you make any decisions. So sadly, no more direction on them beyond the Disposessed and Iron Something? from GA:ORDER. But hopefully soon, there's only so many weeks in a year.