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Not necessarily - the limited Marine lifespan thing is not consistent.

pm713 wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Wasn't there some mention in the Necron codex that the Lord that is a collector has an immense man in golden armor held in stasis as a trophy? I though lots of people thought that could be Dorn?

It's far more likely to just be some Space Marine rather than a Primarch.

Iirc it's thought to be Vulkan that he has in stasis, not Dorn.

 KharnsRightHand wrote:

Iirc it's thought to be Vulkan that he has in stasis, not Dorn.

Only by fans. There's no indication either way. Or that it was a Primarch at all.

 jhe90 wrote:
Like Russ, vulkan, and the lion. There all Missing in action..
There not dead or alive.

Only confiremed dead is ferrus and sang.

But we know where Guilliman and Lion are. We also know they dont move much.

Okay, so the part in question is

Necron 5th Edition Codex page 58 wrote: "The sunken chambers are crowded with artefacts of all forms: the fabled wraithbone choir of Altansar, the preserved head of Sebastian Thor, the ossified husk of an Enslaver and a giant of a man clad in baroque power armour, his face contorted in a permanent scream - to name but a few"

All we know is it's a large man in baroque power armour.

I'm much more disturbed by the Sebastian Thor's head thing personally.

Apparently Trazyn has an entire Hive Fleet that got loose. If that isn't worse I don't know what is.

Engrenages wrote:
I'm much more disturbed by the Sebastian Thor's head thing personally.

It does say that he is concerned about the spectacle rather than the accuracy so...

tneva82 wrote:

 Xathrodox86 wrote:

nareik wrote:
I like the idea that Abaddon killed Dorn. Not personally, but using his Black Legion / Fleet / Crusades.

As an aside, I'm not really sure where the Failbaddon meme came from, considering even in the 2nd ed Codex where he was introduced there is a narrative that his crusades are building up to a final 'big push' crusade.

True enough, but the character wasn't really shown as anything other than an incompetent moron for most of the editions. The fact that they're now trying to desperately push him as some sort of Primarch-slaying, Gods-denying, misunderstood badass is... weak. Almost as weak, as the "Chaos did nothing wrong" weak.

What editions that was then? 2nd and 3rd nope. Don't recall 4th/5th fluff that much. 6th/7th nope.

Every single one? The thing about him making his Black Crusades to gradually weaken the Imperium, is rather obvious. However GW was writing this in a manner, that really showed him as an incompetent commander, who tried to do his best to reach Terra everytime, and failed. It's a case of bad writing really.

He might be. There are conflicting lore writings. Some say 1 fist was left after the assault, some people claim there were 2 fists recovered. Some imperial report he is dead, some say missing in action.. This is not unusual for GW/BL since the grey area is their favourite area to be in. Lets just hope that at the end of the beast arises more will be clear. I personally hope he is just missing in action. Idk how the imperium will have a chance with another primarch dead. The power balance is currently in favour of chaos. They have ffing daemon primarchs...

 G00fySmiley wrote:
Given that Cypher was an office and that even space marines have a limited lifespan (albeit a very logn one) it is likely Cypher has been passed to new agens several times or as you pointed out it would need to be somebody who was either a perpetual or a Primarch (knowing that he is human, could also be an Eldar farseer in makeup, or a bored Harliquin trolling humanity for the lulz which would explain a lot actually)

Or he has spent at least some time at the eye. What with time not flowing normally there and plenty of chaos marines who still live that fought in the heresy.

tneva82 wrote:

 G00fySmiley wrote:
Given that Cypher was an office and that even space marines have a limited lifespan (albeit a very logn one) it is likely Cypher has been passed to new agens several times or as you pointed out it would need to be somebody who was either a perpetual or a Primarch (knowing that he is human, could also be an Eldar farseer in makeup, or a bored Harliquin trolling humanity for the lulz which would explain a lot actually)

Or he has spent at least some time at the eye. What with time not flowing normally there and plenty of chaos marines who still live that fought in the heresy.

possible, though those chaos space marines are granted extra longevity due to being devoted to a chaos god whereas Cypher is either unaligned or the true loyalist while his (or their) old brethren the traitorous dark angels are the tainted ones (depending on your thoughts on the dark angels fluff wise it is murky). I doubt Cypher as a person would be very welcome in the eye due to no allegiances and really not giving into to the excesses. though I suppose he could also be an agent of the Alpha legion, seems like their cup of tea though this would be far fetched.

Didn't the DA being loyal get confirmed in a HH book?

I def think he's still alive. Primarchs have been known to have excellent regenerative powers (Fulgrim for one).

pm713 wrote:
Didn't the DA being loyal get confirmed in a HH book?

Yes.

Plus the only evidence against was a Fallen Dark Angel so I don't know why people gave it such credence anyway.

Well, absolutely at least half the Dark Angels were loyalists, it's just a question of which half.....

Dorn's as dead as can be and the IF chapter masters carve their names onto his skeletal hands when they get bored. I guarantee you someone carved a penis on there.

Dorn is dead. In the novel Space Marine, his dead body is found encased in amber aboard a ship (I want to say Phalanx)

 Verviedi wrote:
Dorn is dead. In the novel Space Marine, his dead body is found encased in amber aboard a ship (I want to say Phalanx)

Many of the Chapters have myths foretelling the return of their primarchs. Often these myths have inspiration from 'real world' myths. Perhaps Big Dorn will come back Jurassic park style?

nareik wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
Dorn is dead. In the novel Space Marine, his dead body is found encased in amber aboard a ship (I want to say Phalanx)

Many of the Chapters have myths foretelling the return of their primarchs. Often these myths have inspiration from 'real world' myths. Perhaps Big Dorn will come back Jurassic park style?

For the logic of the Omnissiah, please no!

 Verviedi wrote:
Dorn is dead. In the novel Space Marine, his dead body is found encased in amber aboard a ship (I want to say Phalanx)

SPace Marine is a very early fluff source I am not sure much of it has not been retconned. Good read though

 Ankhalagon wrote:

nareik wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
Dorn is dead. In the novel Space Marine, his dead body is found encased in amber aboard a ship (I want to say Phalanx)

Many of the Chapters have myths foretelling the return of their primarchs. Often these myths have inspiration from 'real world' myths. Perhaps Big Dorn will come back Jurassic park style?

For the logic of the Omnissiah, please no!

But if it does happen, then just before Dorn finally defeats the Iron Warriors for once and for all Peturabo get's call Dorn 'Clever Girl'... Surely that's worth it?

I personally hope that the Deathwatch quote will turn out to be true...