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I like the Taurox Battle Cannon plus TL Auto Cannon combo. It does work.

Might be a typo but I'm pretty sure the Battle Cannon isn't twin-linked.

Yoyoyo wrote:
Might be a typo but I'm pretty sure the Battle Cannon isn't twin-linked.

Twin-linked Battle Cannons belong on Macharii, not Tauroxes.

Also, really? That dinky little thing can have a battle cannon like a Leman Russ has?

No it doesnt get a Russ battlecannon, it gets an S7 AP4 small blast.

 Vaktathi wrote:
No it doesnt get a Russ battlecannon, it gets an S7 AP4 small blast.

Did the writers forget that Imperial Guard already had a weapon called a Battle Cannon?

 drunken0elf wrote:
but chimeras don't have fire points. They have LASGUN ARRAYS! WOOPTY fething doo!

FW also blessed us with AC chimeras I believe.

Chimeras have firing points.

 Pouncey wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
No it doesnt get a Russ battlecannon, it gets an S7 AP4 small blast.

Did the writers forget that Imperial Guard already had a weapon called a Battle Cannon?

I think its specifically labelled as a "Taurox Battlecannon" and not "Battlecsnnon" but GW's writing has gone so downhill of late that I really just have no idea what they think anymore.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
No it doesnt get a Russ battlecannon, it gets an S7 AP4 small blast.

Did the writers forget that Imperial Guard already had a weapon called a Battle Cannon?

I think its specifically labelled as a "Taurox Battlecannon" and not "Battlecsnnon" but GW's writing has gone so downhill of late that I really just have no idea what they think anymore.

Ehh, I guess it's not any worse than half the Space Wolves wargear having Wolf in the name or Blood Angels stuff all referencing blood.

Yoyoyo wrote:
It's going to ruffle feathers (again) but the Taurox Prime is simply a better vehicle once the troops are disembarked.

Ummm... A Taurox Prime pays 30 points more and all it has over the Taurox is a gakky autocannon.

 Grimskul wrote:
I was also really sad that the new Scions didn't come with CCW alongside their hotshot laspistol like their previous incarnations as stormtroopers, it was cool going "commando" and charging guys like Tau with 3 attacks each on the charge.

Renegades at least get this, so you can still run that style of tempestus

The new formation seems like it might actually be halfway decent.

Yoyoyo wrote:
Might be a typo but I'm pretty sure the Battle Cannon isn't twin-linked.

I'm pretty sure its awesome.

I average a pretty good number of hits with the Battle Cannon plus Autocannon combo. High STR, good AP. It works well for a small vehicle like that and that the Prime is a fast vehicle is just huge. Love the range it gives me.

Awesome isn't twin-linked Jancoran, you're arguing a different point. Anyway...

 Jancoran wrote:
I average a pretty good number of hits with the Battle Cannon plus Autocannon combo. High STR, good AP. It works well for a small vehicle like that and that the Prime is a fast vehicle is just huge. Love the range it gives me.

What are you targeting? I think I'd like the Battle Cannon more if it was Heavy 2.

Taurox Primes with MLs are more expensive, but they're also a lot more dangerous. S7 isn't enough to pen Quantum Shielding, Glance AV14, it's much less likely to Penetrate AV12, it can't double out T4 targets, and AP4 can't force Jink on most bike units. Those are significant downsides. Plus, you can add a HKM with the exact same weapon profile, which is unusual on most units. It's a straight firepower boost in this case. 3x Krak Missiles and a TL-Autocannon at 110pts is a lot of outgoing firepower.

I get that they're cheaper but that's a lot of quality shooting to give up. S8 and AP3 is a breakpoint for so many popular units.

Yoyoyo wrote:


Awesome isn't twin-linked Jancoran, you're arguing a different point. Anyway...

What are you targeting? I think I'd like the Battle Cannon more if it was Heavy 2.

Taurox Primes with MLs are more expensive, but they're also a lot more dangerous. S7 isn't enough to pen Quantum Shielding, Glance AV14, it's much less likely to Penetrate AV12, it can't double out T4 targets, and AP4 can't force Jink on most bike units. Those are significant downsides. Plus, you can add a HKM with the exact same weapon profile, which is unusual on most units. It's a straight firepower boost in this case. 3x Krak Missiles and a TL-Autocannon at 110pts is a lot of outgoing firepower.

I get that they're cheaper but that's a lot of quality shooting to give up. S8 and AP3 is a breakpoint for so many popular units.

Awesome is twin linked. Beleive me.

Im targetting things like Necron Warriors in Decurions, I'm shooting up Tau Drone Nets, I'm shooting Eldar Jetbikes, or the usual after combat clumped group of Daemonkin Khorne dogs or... I dunno. Im hitting normal stuff i guess. Smashing up Battle Company Rhinos.

Quantum Shielding is left to the melta crews obviously. The transports job isnt to be THE heavy hitter. It just does.

I like them and use them. But i REALLY love the fact that they are Fast vehicles. That is so awesome. Definitely its best attribute.

To be clear about what I meant, Jancoran :

Are you rerolling scatter if a Taurox Battlecannon misses?

Yoyoyo wrote:
The Autocannon is nice but it won't change much. Here's the dilemma with a Chimera as fire support:

- If a Chimera moves more than 6", it will fire at BS1.
- If you move less than 6", you troops might not reach their Objectives.
- If you deploy it forward, you're exposing the AV10 sides.

Not to mention, one BS3 Autocannon isn't exactly astonishing firepower anyway. Guard does have some pretty awesome artillery, though.

And the Taurox has the exact same weaknesses, baring the Prime which is a fast vehicle. But you are paying a premium for the Prime.and as it has less armour, cant jink , and is an obvious priority target, it will vanish very quickly.

 War Kitten wrote:

 drunken0elf wrote:
but chimeras don't have fire points. They have LASGUN ARRAYS! WOOPTY fething doo!

FW also blessed us with AC chimeras I believe.

Chimeras have firing points.

EDIT : well GW is slowed. They put the firepoint rule in the fluff page but don't put them at the end of the codex where all the rules and units are condensed for easy reference...

Yoyoyo wrote:
To be clear about what I meant, Jancoran :

Are you rerolling scatter if a Taurox Battlecannon misses?

TL Auto Cannons. Though I suppose if you get the right Psychic power you could!

 master of ordinance wrote:
But you are paying a premium for the Prime.and as it has less armour, cant jink , and is an obvious priority target, it will vanish very quickly.

That's the trick. You need to create a list that helps to spread out target priority.

I'm sure you've noticed Guard has similar problems fielding Hellhounds.

Yoyoyo wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
But you are paying a premium for the Prime.and as it has less armour, cant jink , and is an obvious priority target, it will vanish very quickly.

That's the trick. You need to create a list that helps to spread out target priority.

I'm sure you've noticed Guard has similar problems fielding Hellhounds.

Given that the Prime can only be given too Stormies and Command sections there is no real way to confuse your opponent. At least with Hellhounds one has the option of taking the Eradicator instead which is a far superior vehicle for the same cost.

 master of ordinance wrote:

Yoyoyo wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
But you are paying a premium for the Prime.and as it has less armour, cant jink , and is an obvious priority target, it will vanish very quickly.

That's the trick. You need to create a list that helps to spread out target priority.

I'm sure you've noticed Guard has similar problems fielding Hellhounds.

Given that the Prime can only be given too Stormies and Command sections there is no real way to confuse your opponent. At least with Hellhounds one has the option of taking the Eradicator instead which is a far superior vehicle for the same cost.

I think he means "too many targets" rather than "which one is the big one?". Generally lists are played openly so no "what tauros has the big gun or big squad?"

I regularly play them as my primary detachment of as a flying formation, for me they play a lot like eldar, but able to take imperials as allies, the fact that they are short range kind of means you have to be selective and let's be honest, they are T3 with a 4+ they are going to die to a stiff breeze anyway so there ld7 is rarely an issue for me.

the brand new Formation for Militarum Tempestus is pretty awesome. 1 commissar, one Scion unit, one scion commnd unit, one Taurox Prim. While the Cmmissar lives, his Scion squad if slain can parachute back in! very cool.

 Jancoran wrote:
the brand new Formation for Militarum Tempestus is pretty awesome. 1 commissar, one Scion unit, one scion commnd unit, one Taurox Prim. While the Cmmissar lives, his Scion squad if slain can parachute back in! very cool.

This will be one of the singular times we are in agreement. I'm making a Skitarii/Inquisitor list with two of these formations, with one dedicated transport to get three Taurox.