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I cannot imagine what her family is going through. Two children who not only lost their mother, but will see her deathbused again and again in arguments they are likely too young to yet comprehend.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Daily Telegraph is saying that the suspect was well known locally, has a history of mental health issues, and was well know to the local authorities.

Predictably, and sadly, the Guardian newspaper has used this awful tragedy to attack Nigel Farage...

Dude, you've said this in two separate threads now and still haven't provided a link to the article in question.

Reports filtering in that the murdering scumbag bought items and literature from Neo-Nazi groups.

Link to specific article with allegations

 Goliath wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Daily Telegraph is saying that the suspect was well known locally, has a history of mental health issues, and was well know to the local authorities.

Predictably, and sadly, the Guardian newspaper has used this awful tragedy to attack Nigel Farage...

Dude, you've said this in two separate threads now and still haven't provided a link to the article in question.

I've had a quick scan of the guardian website and I can't find anything obvious. The closest I can find is an opinion piece by Polly Toynbee saying how the atmosphere around the campaign is quite ugly and has whipped up a lot of hate. It neither targets Farage individually, or apportions blame for this incident on him.

 General Kroll wrote:

 Goliath wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Daily Telegraph is saying that the suspect was well known locally, has a history of mental health issues, and was well know to the local authorities.

Predictably, and sadly, the Guardian newspaper has used this awful tragedy to attack Nigel Farage...

Dude, you've said this in two separate threads now and still haven't provided a link to the article in question.

I've had a quick scan of the guardian website and I can't find anything obvious. The closest I can find is an opinion piece by Polly Toynbee saying how the atmosphere around the campaign is quite ugly and has whipped up a lot of hate. It neither targets Farage individually, or apportions blame for this incident on him.

Yeah, that's why I asked. I had a look through all the articles I could find and only found one that mentioned Farage, and that was referencing the poster unveiled yesterday that's been criticised as an example of the current state of politics more than any sort of "blame Farage" comment.

This editorial piece maybe...

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/16/the-guardian-view-on-jo-cox-an-attack-on-humanity-idealism-and-democracy

 Kilkrazy wrote:
This editorial piece maybe...

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/16/the-guardian-view-on-jo-cox-an-attack-on-humanity-idealism-and-democracy

That's the one I thought they might be referring to, but even then all it does is go "this is a poster that was unveiled yesterday" as an example of how dehumanised politics is rather than any "This is all Farage's fault" comment.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
This editorial piece maybe...

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/16/the-guardian-view-on-jo-cox-an-attack-on-humanity-idealism-and-democracy

That's the one I was referring too.


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 Goliath wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
This editorial piece maybe...

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/16/the-guardian-view-on-jo-cox-an-attack-on-humanity-idealism-and-democracy

That's the one I thought they might be referring to, but even then all it does is go "this is a poster that was unveiled yesterday" as an example of how dehumanised politics is rather than any "This is all Farage's fault" comment.

The opinion piece starts off as a tribute to Jo Cox, and yet, the Guardian somehow finds room to rail road Farage's name into it. Persoanlly, I found it disgusting and gutter journalism of the lowest kind. You'd expect that sort of political exploitation from the Daily Mail, not The Guardian.

And for the record, I despise Nigel Farage, but the Guardian crossed a line IMO.

A pro-EU politician is murdered by a nazi who shouts "Britain first" and you think it's disgusting that other pro-EU people point out the dehumanising campaign of a politician who is all about putting white Britain first.

It starts off as a tribute to her, then to a tribute of her ideals and goals, before transitioning into an explanation of how current political discourse runs counter to her goals and ideals, using the example of the "breaking point" poster to illustrate the point that the debate has turned ugly and divisive. It was a criticism of the dehumanising nature of politics at the moment and how she was opposed to it.

To quote: "The idealism of Ms Cox was the very antithesis of such brutal cynicism."

I am genuinely confused as to how you're able to read that and get as angry as you appear.

Rosebuddy wrote:
A pro-EU politician is murdered by a nazi who shouts "Britain first" and you think it's disgusting that other pro-EU people point out the dehumanising campaign of a politician who is all about putting white Britain first.

1) We don't know if the suspect shouted Britain first. Some Eyewitnesses said he did, some said he didn't. The facts are not even established, and people are leaping to conclusions. When we had that awful massacre in Norway, every media outlet believed it to be the work of an Islamic fundamentalist. The rest is history...

2) Nigel Farage is well within his rights to campaign against immigration in our democracy. He has broken no laws. It's not a crime in Britain to say that immigration is a problem. I don't like Farage, but to blame his campaign for this death is frankly disgusting...

3) There are thousands of non-white people voting to leave. I witnessed a man of Caribbean origin on the BBC the other day (Victoria Derbyshire show) and he was voting to leave. He was black by the way...

4) The OUT campaign are not the only side to engage in ridiculous rhetoric. Remain have been peddling the line that a BREXIT will lead to world war 3, the collapse of Western Civilization and the destruction of the global finance system. Both sides are guilty of talking horsegak!


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 Goliath wrote:
It starts off as a tribute to her, then to a tribute of her ideals and goals, before transitioning into an explanation of how current political discourse runs counter to her goals and ideals, using the example of the "breaking point" poster to illustrate the point that the debate has turned ugly and divisive. It was a criticism of the dehumanising nature of politics at the moment and how she was opposed to it.

To quote: "The idealism of Ms Cox was the very antithesis of such brutal cynicism."

I am genuinely confused as to how you're able to read that and get as angry as you appear.

So why is Farage mentioned in this? You do know that between the official time of her death being announced, and the article being published, there was a gap of 3-4 hours. Given newspaper deadlines, they had a draft of this written up as she was fighting for her life...

And you don't think that's gutter journalism?

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
2) Nigel Farage is well within his rights to campaign against immigration in our democracy. He has broken no laws. It's not a crime in Britain to say that immigration is a problem. I don't like Farage, but to blame his campaign for this death is frankly disgusting...

And again, I will repeat that in the article it does not say "Oh my god it's all Farage's fault". It uses the poster as an example of the current state of political discourse.

 Goliath wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
2) Nigel Farage is well within his rights to campaign against immigration in our democracy. He has broken no laws. It's not a crime in Britain to say that immigration is a problem. I don't like Farage, but to blame his campaign for this death is frankly disgusting...

And again, I will repeat that in the article it does not say "Oh my god it's all Farage's fault". It uses the poster as an example of the current state of political discourse.

A woman is dying in hospital, the facts of the attack are yet to be established, but already a national newspaper is looking to exploit this death in order to attack the leave campaign...

And some people think there's nothing wrong with that...

What the hell happened to this country?

You're claiming it's only a reflection of the current state of political discourse, but why no mention of the claims made this week by Donald Tusk that Western Civilization will end if it's BREXIT?

The answer to that is obvious, because it didn't fit the Guardian's pro-Remain agenda.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
So why is Farage mentioned in this? You do know that between the official time of her death being announced, and the article being published, there was a gap of 3-4 hours. Given newspaper deadlines, they had a draft of this written up as she was fighting for her life...

And you don't think that's gutter journalism?

Because Farage was the one that unveiled the advert? Because all of the pictures of the advert have him standing in front of it? Because he commissioned it?

And yes. And there was a gap of around 3-4 hours between her being shot and the announcement of her death. The article reads as if it doesn't require her to be dead; all of the points made within are perfectly valid were she to have survived, so I am almost certain that it was written as a "A person has been shot, we need to be better and not give up on her ideals" article that was tweaked when it was announced that she had passed.


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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Goliath wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
2) Nigel Farage is well within his rights to campaign against immigration in our democracy. He has broken no laws. It's not a crime in Britain to say that immigration is a problem. I don't like Farage, but to blame his campaign for this death is frankly disgusting...

And again, I will repeat that in the article it does not say "Oh my god it's all Farage's fault". It uses the poster as an example of the current state of political discourse.

A woman is dying in hospital, the facts of the attack are yet to be established, but already a national newspaper is looking to exploit this death in order to attack the leave campaign...

It's not about the fething Leave campaign! The crappiness inherent to today's politics is not only present in the leave campaign! There are groups of people being dehumanised in every single sphere of public discourse at the moment, be they people on benefits, refugees, immigrants, muslims, politicians and goodness knows who else. It is awful! Her own fething husband has said "'Jo believed in a better world. She would want us all to unite against the hatred that killed her", is he somehow engaging in gutter politics?

For goodness' sake, not everything in this country is about the fething referendum. The poster was revealed less than two hours before she was shot and was a very very timely example of how gakky people are being to each other at the moment.

You're claiming it's only a reflection of the current state of political discourse, but why no mention of the claims made this week by Donald Tusk that Western Civilization will end if it's BREXIT?

The answer to that is obvious, because it didn't fit the Guardian's pro-Remain agenda.

No, the answer to that is because Donald Tusk making that comment doesn't demonise a group of people and increase division between groups. I'd have thought that would be perfectly bloody obvious. He didn't say that X group is bad, he didn't try to create divisions between people, he stated that voting leave would create *more* division.

What a shame. I'm sorry for your loss. Mental Illness is no joke.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

2) Nigel Farage is well within his rights to campaign against immigration in our democracy. He has broken no laws. It's not a crime in Britain to say that immigration is a problem. I don't like Farage, but to blame his campaign for this death is frankly disgusting...

Thing is, the murderer's motives seem to be a very distorted view of the ones Farage is using for his own interests. And that's what is really bothering the pro-Brexit, IMHO. This act is showing what happens when someone takes their arguments litterally in an ugly, twisted way.

 Sarouan wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

2) Nigel Farage is well within his rights to campaign against immigration in our democracy. He has broken no laws. It's not a crime in Britain to say that immigration is a problem. I don't like Farage, but to blame his campaign for this death is frankly disgusting...

Thing is, the murderer's motives seem to be a very distorted view of the ones Farage is using for his own interests. And that's what is really bothering the pro-Brexit, IMHO. This act is showing what happens when someone takes their arguments litterally in an ugly, twisted way.

We don't know what his motives were, yet. There are two conflicting accounts:

1) He attacked her because he was a neo-Nazi who hated immigrants, and she was a target for being pro-immigrant

2) The attacker was fighting somebody else, and Jo Cox went to break it up. The attacker then turned on her and murdered her...

We don't know the full picture yet.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


1) He attacked her because he was a neo-Nazi who hated immigrants, and she was a target for being pro-immigrant

And Farage is as well heavily against immigration, right? It's very obvious the murderer wasn't really listening to the pro-Remain arguments when he decided to kill that poor woman.

That's why I say "it seems" before. In people's minds, it's easy to make links that are not the reality, yet still have disturbing echoes.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


2) The attacker was fighting somebody else, and Jo Cox went to break it up. The attacker then turned on her and murdered her...

Hmm, so far what I read is more some witnesses say that the attacker was waiting an altercation between two other men before the MP came out to separate them. Nowhere I saw it was him involved in the altercation before the MP coming.

Another man came after the initial attack to try to stop him for what I read here;

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/16/labour-mp-jo-cox-shot-in-west-yorkshire

Yeah, I know, it's the Guardian again.

I agree with 'DO_I_NOT_LIKE_THAT' - this guardian editorial is falling into the worst failing in an opinion; assuming that the other argument is 'stupid'.
I'm getting the feeling that the article was more about distancing themselves ideologically from nigel farage and this group i've never heard of rather than paying tribute properly. Trash journalism.

Naturally, i'm saddened for jo cox's family & friends.

Maybe the media will leave them alone to grieve in peace.

There was yet another report somewhere that he (wrongly, because ofc she's an opposition MP) blamed her for the closing down of local mental health services that had previously supported him.

But yeah, the Guardian piece is trash. It's hypocritical, opportunistic and premature.

“Following the tragic killing of Labour MP Jo Cox, the Conservative Party has decided not to contest the forthcoming by-election as a mark of respect to a much-loved and respected politician.”


fair play.

 Baragash wrote:
There was yet another report somewhere that he (wrongly, because ofc she's an opposition MP) blamed her for the closing down of local mental health services that had previously supported him.

But yeah, the Guardian piece is trash. It's hypocritical, opportunistic and premature.

Yeah, I read something about that as well - that the attack could have been motivated by anger at cuts to mental health services. In no way does it excuse this horrendous murder, but it's a possible explanation.

Again, we won't know for sure until the facts come out.

My apologies if I'm coming across as only interested in the politics of this. This was a shocking murder that has robbed Britain of somebody, who by all accounts, was a credit to the human race and a good parliamentarian. I hope her children get through this ok.

RIP.

This is coming out now:

http://www.lbc.co.uk/jo-cox-witness-says-no-one-shouted-britain-first-132375

A sign in a shop by the spot Jo Cox was killed states the claims that the gunman shouted "Britain First" are untrue.

he message in the landerette's window says: "Please note, I did not tackle the gunman. And no one shouted Britain First at any time."

LBC's reporter in Birstall Bethan Davies spoke to Ahmed Tahir, the owner, who insisted he has not spoken to anyone who heard that phrase.

And Mr Tahir admitted he was worried for his safety after reports named him for making to original claim.

 Mr. Burning wrote:
This is coming out now:

http://www.lbc.co.uk/jo-cox-witness-says-no-one-shouted-britain-first-132375

A sign in a shop by the spot Jo Cox was killed states the claims that the gunman shouted "Britain First" are untrue.

he message in the landerette's window says: "Please note, I did not tackle the gunman. And no one shouted Britain First at any time."

LBC's reporter in Birstall Bethan Davies spoke to Ahmed Tahir, the owner, who insisted he has not spoken to anyone who heard that phrase.

And Mr Tahir admitted he was worried for his safety after reports named him for making to original claim.

That was fine up until that last line. Now we don't know whether he's truly recanting his previous statement, or he's doing it out of fear; the latter of which would obviously just add more fuel to a fire that shouldn't be burning in the first place.

Yeah that doesn't at all sound like a man who's been threatened by someone does it.... /sarcasm.

There's been two or three witnesses who have backed up the claims that he said "Britain First"

Its too early to get a perfect version of events. They are still investigating and looking into it.

Anything now is assumption..

 jhe90 wrote:
Its too early to get a perfect version of events. They are still investigating and looking into it.

Anything now is assumption..

Considering his past subscriptions to White Supremacist organisations, the Nazi memorabilia at his home, and reports he bought bomb making and gun making instructions from neo nazi sites in the US. I think his right wing credentials are pretty much confirmed.

Britain first or not, we've clearly got a case of home grown right wing terrorism here. Even taking his mental health into account.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36567005


"Thomas Mair, charged with MP Jo Cox's murder, gives his name as "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain" to UK court "


When cliches come to life

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36567005

Thomas Mair, charged with MP Jo Cox's murder, gives his name as "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain" to UK court

Quite clear he has right wing leanings.

Ba. Too slow!

Sounds like far right wing is showing its true, ugly face, indeed.

It is clear that this event will have consequences for the referendum. In good or bad, we will see.