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He wanted to change the hearts and minds of people of a certain political persuasion to the oposite view.

He wanted to do so through the use of fear...fear that should said political figures vote (or speak of voting) a certain way, they would quite possibly face the same fate.

If that kind of action *isn't* terrorism at its very evil heart....then I have no idea what you would define terrorism as.

To be fair. The back bone issues are economic, immigration and sovereignty.

Key pillars of debate and Europe.

Can not be nice but they are what worry people..

Just saw this come up on the guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/20/jo-cox-killing-thomas-mair-to-face-judge-under-terrorism-protocols?CMP=share_btn_fb

See no issue.

As it stands it could debated he is a domestic terrorist.

This is clearly an act of terrorism. He murdered her because of his political beliefs. It's textbook terror tactics.

 feeder wrote:
This is clearly an act of terrorism. He murdered her because of his political beliefs. It's textbook terror tactics.

Respectfully, murdering people for political ends alone is not the same as terrorism, there needs to be a psychological or intimidation factor (hence the name). That doesn't really exist in this case because everyone involved appears to be in custody. If Britain First had made a statement saying "more politicians will die, if they support remain" then yes, that would be textbook terror tactics, but that isn't what happened. Who does this terrorise? Aside from a reminder to all MPs that disgruntled constituents can be dangerous, the treat seems to have been contained. Michael Gove is probably just as likely to be gunned down by a disgruntled teacher, or David Cameron attacked by PETA. There is a certain danger involved in being a political figure, but that doesn't make every attack terrorism.

Or Donald Trump by a 20 year old Brit.

 Smacks wrote:
there needs to be a psychological or intimidation factor (hence the name).

Shooting someone multiple times including in the face followed by stabbing and kicking doesn't rate? The guy being in custody does little to erase the incredibly savage nature of that crime. Political intimidation of the highest order and terrorism are the same thing.

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Smacks wrote:
there needs to be a psychological or intimidation factor (hence the name).

Shooting someone multiple times including in the face followed by stabbing and kicking doesn't rate? The guy being in custody does little to erase the viscera of that crime.

Did that incident make you worried about your everyday life?

I was worried about going on the Tube after 7/7, especially if I saw an Arabic looking bloke with a beard and a backpack in the carraige. I still went on there and told myself he was just an ordinary bloke who happened to be a Muslim, and there was nothing to worry about. But I was still a bit worried because terrorism had caused a psychological effect. At any rate, nothing did happen, for weeks and months, and the worry wore off.

I don't feel anything like that about the Jo Cox murder. It doesn't seem like the possible precursor of a wave of violent politically related crime.

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Smacks wrote:
there needs to be a psychological or intimidation factor (hence the name).

Shooting someone multiple times including in the face followed by stabbing and kicking doesn't rate? The guy being in custody does little to erase the incredibly savage nature of that crime.

That kind of thing could happen during any murder or mugging. There are lots of terrifying crimes, but that doesn't make them terror attacks. Perhaps if he planned to attack more, then maybe, but it seems like escape wasn't a key part of his plan. That sounds more like revenge, or vendetta, rather than terror.

I don't really want to link it here, as in the main it detracts from the tragedy of a mum being killed... but there's a paper trail of evidence about Mair, including letters saying it's "sympathisers", rather than "Blacks" who are the real enemy.

He'd been following these extremists for years. Awful that extremist ideas have resurfaced recently - and not just in the UK.

Tragic and senseless.

I only skimmed this thread, but being the crazy American I am, I'm going to ask the obvious question that I haven't seen addressed in this thread at all.

How did this lunatic get a fire arm?

More sincere Leave supporters, repeating how Jo Cox's murder was an awful thing (for their electoral prospects).

http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/tory-councillor-dominic-peacock-mocks-mp-jo-cox-fundraising-page-on-facebook/story-29427026-detail/story.html

What's interesting, is how many mainstream papers quote Farage, saying how unfair it all is - but not reporting such actions, by a local Leave co-ordinator. This has only made local news.

Mdlbuildr wrote:
Tragic and senseless.

I only skimmed this thread, but being the crazy American I am, I'm going to ask the obvious question that I haven't seen addressed in this thread at all.

How did this lunatic get a fire arm?

We're not entirely sure yet, though eyewitness reports indicate that he needed to reload between each shot, suggesting either an antique pistol or a homemade weapon.

Apparently they found extreme-right literature in his home including a guide on how to build your own gun, so he may have built it himself, which I think is the most likely at this point but we'll see for sure when the trial begins and the gun is entered as evidence, if it has been recovered that is.

I have heard that "you" can 3d print one.

http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mhl45ediih/the-liberator/

Obviously not saying his was or he did.

 TheMeanDM wrote:
I have heard that "you" can 3d print one.

http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mhl45ediih/the-liberator/

Obviously not saying his was or he did.

I get the feeling if this fella had the capacity to design or download the software and get the design 3-D printed, he would be smart enough to get a decent job and wouldn't spend all his time obsessing over immigrants.

In other news, more Brexit campaigners have been saying what a terrible thing Jo Cox's murder was... for their campaign.

http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/tory-councillor-dominic-peacock-mocks-mp-jo-cox-fundraising-page-on-facebook/story-29427026-detail/story.html

 Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:

 TheMeanDM wrote:
I have heard that "you" can 3d print one.

http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mhl45ediih/the-liberator/

Obviously not saying his was or he did.

I get the feeling if this fella had the capacity to design or download the software and get the design 3-D printed, he would be smart enough to get a decent job and wouldn't spend all his time obsessing over immigrants.

In other news, more Brexit campaigners have been saying what a terrible thing Jo Cox's murder was... for their campaign.

http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/tory-councillor-dominic-peacock-mocks-mp-jo-cox-fundraising-page-on-facebook/story-29427026-detail/story.html

Money does not prevent mental illness.

 djones520 wrote:

Money does not prevent mental illness.

It's proven that meaningful work, getting out of the house, being involved in rewarding activities, having structure to a day, does improve mental wellbeing.

And I feel misgivings about the "mental illness" thing, I understand well the context. It's sometimes used as a way of diminishing the horror of a crime, a bit like blaming it on the devil - when really an individual is responsible, plus those around who encouraged and or enabled him.

And I was just trying to show that in this day and age...a person can make just about anything. The info is out there.