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So, it says they may not join units except for legion destroyer squads, but can other independent characters join them? I mean, if I had, say, a legion destroyer squad with jump packs, had my moritat with jump pack and praetor with jump pack both join the squad, there'd be nothing illegal about that, and then if all the destroyers got killed, the praetor and moritat would still be in a unit together, a unit of just the two of them, and following that logic I could just have my praetor join my moritat at the start of the game to form a unit of two, yes?

As far as I can remember, the Moritat is an independent character and as such cannot join another independent character. He should be able to join the destroyer squad with Praetor, though.

 Extreaminatus wrote:
As far as I can remember, the Moritat is an independent character and as such cannot join another independent character. He should be able to join the destroyer squad with Praetor, though.

From the rulebook:

"Independent Characters can join other units. They cannot, however, join units that
contain vehicles or Monstrous Creatures. They can join other Independent Characters,
though, to form a powerful multi-character unit!"

So, my question still stands, can a praetor join a moritat? And if a praetor and moritat are leading a squad of destroyers, and all destroyers get killed they're not knocked out, uh, being squadded up?

It would seem to me that a Praetor could join a destroyer unit that contains a Moritat, but a Moritat could not join a destroyer unit that already has a Praetor. Unless it says Moritats cannot be joined by ICs either. If they do end up in the same unit, once all the destroyers are dead, it's no longer a destroyer squad, and so the ICs must separate.

Nope, and here's my reasoning:


"Lone Killer - ...They may not join units or travel inside transports with other units except legion destroyer squads..."

Forming a unit with other ICs would be a unit other than a legion destroyer squad, as such, it would not be allowed. A praetor can join a unit of destroyers WITH a moritat, however once the destroyers are dead, they would no longer be a unit.

Beyond that, tying a faux-suicide bomber character like a moritat to something as valuable as a praetor would be a bit silly

Whoops. That was what I was thinking but didn't say. The Praetor is not a destroyer squad, so the Moritat can't join him. Praetor + destroyer squad should be fine to join.

 Brennonjw wrote:
Nope, and here's my reasoning:


"Lone Killer - ...They may not join units or travel inside transports with other units except legion destroyer squads..."

Forming a unit with other ICs would be a unit other than a legion destroyer squad, as such, it would not be allowed. A praetor can join a unit of destroyers WITH a moritat, however once the destroyers are dead, they would no longer be a unit.

Beyond that, tying a faux-suicide bomber character like a moritat to something as valuable as a praetor would be a bit silly

See that makes sense to me, but no rules anywhere mention a unit ever being 'forced' apart, ya know?

 Walnuts wrote:

 Brennonjw wrote:
Nope, and here's my reasoning:


"Lone Killer - ...They may not join units or travel inside transports with other units except legion destroyer squads..."

Forming a unit with other ICs would be a unit other than a legion destroyer squad, as such, it would not be allowed. A praetor can join a unit of destroyers WITH a moritat, however once the destroyers are dead, they would no longer be a unit.

Beyond that, tying a faux-suicide bomber character like a moritat to something as valuable as a praetor would be a bit silly

See that makes sense to me, but no rules anywhere mention a unit ever being 'forced' apart, ya know?

You won't find any. They don't exist. If a Moritat somehow finds himself in a unit with another IC, there is no reason for him to have to leave. Now, if he does leave, he can't rejoin on his own. Of course, another IC could always just join him.

It looks like the restriction is against JOINING other units that aren't Legion Destroyer Squads. There is no restriction against BEING JOINED. Joining and being joined are two very different rules concepts. Joining is an action that an IC performs. If IC Bob walks over and stands next to IC Fred, Bob has JOINED Fred. Fred has not JOINED Bob as he didn't walk over and stand next to Bob. The Praetor/Moritat things works the same way in the rules. The Praetor can walk over and join the Moritat, creating a two IC unit. The Moritat can't walk over and join the Praetor.

Having said all that, GW's rules as written versus possible authorial intent doesn't always line up. They may very well FAQ this in the future to say "when we said they can't join stuff we figured you'd understand that we also meant they can't be joined by stuff either".

How I would play it... So long as at least one Destroyer Squad model is in the unit, you're golden. When the last one dies, the Moritat should break off at the first possible opportunity. That matches the fluff most closely, I'd say.

Yeah, I sorta feel the same way (although I like the idea of a moritat sort of back to back with another HQ if their entire squad gets obliterated). I emailed forgeworld. Let's see what they say.