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Saw this on Lady Atia's blog.
"Howdy Guys and Girls

A white raven appeared today and brought me a message - winter is coming ...

Warhammer 40k turns 30 years old next year. The new edition is due. The clock will be taken from 5 minutes to midnight to 1 minute to midnight with the return of the Daemonprimarchs - or will they return alone? This is the theme of the new setting - think along the lines of 13th Black Crusade - but this time, it's serious. They want to get the same excitement as the community had during the End Times - without actually going as far as Age of Sigmar did.

Chaos fans - this is your hour. Stop beeing grudgy, there will be lots of love for all of you - renegades, former legions, daemon lovers.

The lore already start to unfold, with the Shield of Baal and Warzone Fenris - so we are already within the action. As usual, this is a bit of an early talk, so stay cool and take it with a tiny bit of salt.

regards,
Lady Atia"

Can't wait. I've held off on a chaos army due to the plastics being older, maybe now they'll get some nice stuff?

I am hoping that we see more from Shield of Baal. Khorne Daemons (and possibly Chaos Space Marines) are attacking Baal while the Tyranids are making their way there. So the Blood Angels and their Successors are fighting on two fronts. This seems like a great place to release the Tyranid and Blood Angels Decurion-type detachments. They could even release more formations for Khorne Daemons or Khorne Daemonkin that could be used with their existing stuff.

well this is exciting, and lets hope they don't leave CSM out of it.

 redleger wrote:
well this is exciting, and lets hope they don't leave CSM out of it.

Dude, it's right there in the post..

Chaos fans - this is your hour. Stop beeing grudgy, there will be lots of love for all of you - renegades, former legions, daemon lovers.

Also being discussed HERE.

If the CSM rules and units work it'll be great, if they don't the whole campaign and storyline just kinda falls flat on its face.

The fundamentals of the CSM codex are flawed and so grossly inadequate next to the Loyalists, that if its just a patch job in the form of the campaign add-on rules other armies have gotten, CSM will still fail as a viable threat. It needs so much more to be representative and capable. In all likelihood we'll just be pushed to play these 3, 4, or 5 new units/models spammed by a formation several times and then patted on the back by other players and told everything's good now. I hope that's not the case.

I heard that Fulgrim will have Doomrider's old rule where he has a chance to randomly disappear each turn. This is balanced by him being the cheapest of the daemon primarch's - only 666 pts.

If you look at the BL fic of late you may see some corroborating stuff

 Ghaz wrote:
Also being discussed HERE.

No, they are discussing tau. XD

So what, Space Wolves = Magnus?
That leaves most of the primarchs unaccounted for.
We know a large khornate force was headed to Baal, so maybe Angron will pop up there? Lots of potential with the Blood Angels.
Will be interesting for sure. Can only hope chaos becomes a true force, lorewise and on the tabletop. I have good faith in Roundtree so maybe they've made a book addressing all the chaos player complaints.
Yeah, i can see that already. It'll be 300 pages long.....XD jk

Been burned too many times by rumours of Legions, Platic Cult marines, new rules and the timeline moving forward. It's a nice thing to hope for but I'm not getting excited over new Chaos rumours anymore

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I am hoping that we see more from Shield of Baal. Khorne Daemons (and possibly Chaos Space Marines) are attacking Baal while the Tyranids are making their way there. So the Blood Angels and their Successors are fighting on two fronts. This seems like a great place to release the Tyranid and Blood Angels Decurion-type detachments. They could even release more formations for Khorne Daemons or Khorne Daemonkin that could be used with their existing stuff.

As of the end of Mont'ka Farsight is fighting off another hive fleet and it sounds like he is having trouble with their numbers.

Charax wrote:
Been burned too many times by rumours of Legions, Platic Cult marines, new rules and the timeline moving forward. It's a nice thing to hope for but I'm not getting excited over new Chaos rumours anymore

In this case, this is from someone that has been shown to be pretty accurate in the past. So, while this is hardly golden, it is pretty close.

The problem is that we will probably get all this stuff shortly before the edition change and then the stuff we get will be turned to crap.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Charax wrote:
Been burned too many times by rumours of Legions, Platic Cult marines, new rules and the timeline moving forward. It's a nice thing to hope for but I'm not getting excited over new Chaos rumours anymore

In this case, this is from someone that has been shown to be pretty accurate in the past. So, while this is hardly golden, it is pretty close.

The problem is that we will probably get all this stuff shortly before the edition change and then the stuff we get will be turned to crap.

Actually, based on both this and Panda's rumours, it seems like the new chaos codex will be for 8th edition, not 7th. Though the new Thoasand Sons stuff is likely going to stay seventh, here's to hoping *8h's a bit better!

Exciting news. The end times seemed to be pretty well received by fantasy players, let's hope they do as good a job with 40K. I'm very interested to see where the studio goes with 8th edition. I'm really hoping for a grounds up rewrite.

 Swampmist wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Charax wrote:
Been burned too many times by rumours of Legions, Platic Cult marines, new rules and the timeline moving forward. It's a nice thing to hope for but I'm not getting excited over new Chaos rumours anymore

In this case, this is from someone that has been shown to be pretty accurate in the past. So, while this is hardly golden, it is pretty close.

The problem is that we will probably get all this stuff shortly before the edition change and then the stuff we get will be turned to crap.

Actually, based on both this and Panda's rumours, it seems like the new chaos codex will be for 8th edition, not 7th. Though the new Thoasand Sons stuff is likely going to stay seventh, here's to hoping *8h's a bit better!

Being the first codex in an edition is worse. Look at Orks. First 7E codex, now they suck majorly. And wasn't CSM the first 6E codex?

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Swampmist wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Charax wrote:
Been burned too many times by rumours of Legions, Platic Cult marines, new rules and the timeline moving forward. It's a nice thing to hope for but I'm not getting excited over new Chaos rumours anymore

In this case, this is from someone that has been shown to be pretty accurate in the past. So, while this is hardly golden, it is pretty close.

The problem is that we will probably get all this stuff shortly before the edition change and then the stuff we get will be turned to crap.

Actually, based on both this and Panda's rumours, it seems like the new chaos codex will be for 8th edition, not 7th. Though the new Thoasand Sons stuff is likely going to stay seventh, here's to hoping *8h's a bit better!

Being the first codex in an edition is worse. Look at Orks. First 7E codex, now they suck majorly. And wasn't CSM the first 6E codex?

This. Every single edition after 3rd the first codex in a new edition is invariably trash by the time the third codex rolls out. That spells doom for any hope in hell of chaos being relevant....... Yet again.

- New edition comes out
- First codex comes out, with rules suited to the meta of the previous edition because the new edition isn't widespread enough to have a functioning meta
- new edition gets played with previous edition's codices, develops own meta (MSUs, Rhino Taxis,Termicide units, whatever is suited to the way the two sets of rules interact)
- new codices for the new edition come out, making better use of the new edition's rules (like flyers with multiple weapons!) or new mechanics (formations)
- each new codex is built upon the advancements made in the previous ones (decurions, mobile fortifications)
- the first Codex ends up being the worst, because it ONLY takes into account the core rules, not the additions made afterwards, and even with the core rules it doesn't make full use of them

so yeah, the first codex in an edition always ends up sucking.

Charax wrote: - New edition comes out
- First codex comes out, with rules suited to the meta of the previous edition because the new edition isn't widespread enough to have a functioning meta
- new edition gets played with previous edition's codices, develops own meta (MSUs, Rhino Taxis,Termicide units, whatever is suited to the way the two sets of rules interact)
- new codices for the new edition come out, making better use of the new edition's rules (like flyers with multiple weapons!) or new mechanics (formations)
- each new codex is built upon the advancements made in the previous ones (decurions, mobile fortifications)
- the first Codex ends up being the worst, because it ONLY takes into account the core rules, not the additions made afterwards, and even with the core rules it doesn't make full use of them

so yeah, the first codex in an edition always ends up sucking.

Good to know I am not the only one really disappointed by this turn of events. YAY! Chaos is getting updated in the worst way possible!

At least if the rumors are true it will represent the different flavors and if we lose our games we can lose them in legionary style.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
I heard that Fulgrim will have Doomrider's old rule where he has a chance to randomly disappear each turn. This is balanced by him being the cheapest of the daemon primarch's - only 666 pts.

Trust the chaos whiners to come whine even when good news comes.


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 creeping-deth87 wrote:
Exciting news. The end times seemed to be pretty well received by fantasy players, let's hope they do as good a job with 40K. I'm very interested to see where the studio goes with 8th edition. I'm really hoping for a grounds up rewrite.

Well it started well in first book. 2nd book was still good. Things went crazy in 3rd book and then it became clear it WAS literally end times and fantasy was going to go poof and replaced by something new.

This better be more on line of first two books and not make 40k fluff go poof and into totally new setting with only superficial touch to old one.

I really hope the new rules will be a HUGE revamp. The current edition is a complete mess of complicated and unintuitive rules. Halfway between AoS and 7th would be perfect.

I want them to stop the whole codex business. Noone is doing anything remotely similar and that's for good reasons. Paying close too 100 bucks just for the rules is nothing but an archaic ripoff.

 tommse wrote:
I want them to stop the whole codex business. Noone is doing anything remotely similar and that's for good reasons. Paying close too 100 bucks just for the rules is nothing but an archaic ripoff.

Especially when they say they are a model company. The fact the data sheets are available for Age of Sigmar is really how I wish it was for 40K. If I go online, I should be able to just print the data sheet out for the kits I am using. Looking at another game that used to have a huge buy-in, D&D has come to a point where one can play the game, IN ITS ENTIRETY, using free material from Wizards of the Coast. D&D Basic is freely available on their website.

Sounded exciting, then realised probably not.

Also this just in, CSM gain Crusader and Furious Charge.

Happy now?

 eskimo wrote:
Sounded exciting, then realised probably not.

Also this just in, CSM gain Crusader and Furious Charge.

Happy now?

Well, one can only hope that their new models (if they get any) will look cool.

I hope for the SoB players that they also get some love.

Seems like the perfect time to release some as the tide of mutant and heretic filth rises to drown the citizens of the Imperium, their faith will be needed more than ever.

I'm looking forward to a story progression

Aaron Dembski-Bowden's (adding no insider info) thoughts on the rumor posted on B&C are an interesting read. Fleshing out the 2 minutes before midnight scenario like they did with the HH seems to be a more sensible approach to the rumors posted by Atia.

a good opportunity to fix tyranids right? right?.. please

Please Dark Eldar update. :( They need it so bad.

Neronoxx wrote:
Can't wait. I've held off on a chaos army due to the plastics being older, maybe now they'll get some nice stuff?

I wouldn't expect any existing plastics to be updated. End Times is about dropping fancy new stuff, not redoing the rank and file. Expect Greater Daemons, Primarchs, daemon engines, maybe Obliterators or new Obliterator-sized superCSM.