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 Frazzled wrote:
Yes indeedy d-usa, just not video of the event itself.

Agree, I'm just countering the whole "it's completely useless since it doesn't have the shooting itself" argument.

Based on the emotions and behavior in the video, I feel very comfortable coming to two conclusions:

- The occupants of the vehicle were calm prior to the shooting. A shooting doesn't deescalate a situation, it will usually only crank up the emotions involved. I think if she, and even he, was agitated and aggresive prior to the shooting she would be even more so now. I also think the officers would have reacted to her differently.

- The officer was calm prior to the shooting. He didn't approach the vehicle intending to shoot anyone and likely didn't expect this to happen. He is still very calm after the fact and if he came in expecting a shootout he would be treating her very differently especially with the phone. His behavior after the shooting makes me think he simply misread a situation, panicked, and made a bad decision. And he knows he fethed up and doesn't escalate the situation.

One witness, I believe it was the girlfriend in the car, does mention that other responding police were comforting the sobbing officer after the shooting.

Heard on the radio during lunch that the shooting victim matches a BOLO from a recent area robbery...

Really hoping for a dash cam that can shed more light prior to the shooting.

 Easy E wrote:
One witness, I believe it was the girlfriend in the car, does mention that other responding police were comforting the sobbing officer after the shooting.

I am not seeing how that is indicative of anything. The PoPo sho someone, and unlike wiener dogs are not heartless murdering machines. Whether innocent or guilty there would be emotion.

Now if the video records damaging statements from that huddle, however...

 d-usa wrote:
The video does bring to light quite a bit of evidence that can be useful in the investigation.

Actually is provides nothing useful. It will sure stir a jury though.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
The video does bring to light quite a bit of evidence that can be useful in the investigation.

Actually is provides nothing useful. It will sure stir a jury though.

Here's a couple of important things it provides:

 Frazzled wrote:


It also is supportive evidence of the veracity of both the shooter, the person recording, and the victim.

 d-usa wrote:

Based on the emotions and behavior in the video, I feel very comfortable coming to two conclusions:

- The occupants of the vehicle were calm prior to the shooting. A shooting doesn't deescalate a situation, it will usually only crank up the emotions involved. I think if she, and even he, was agitated and aggresive prior to the shooting she would be even more so now. I also think the officers would have reacted to her differently.

- The officer was calm prior to the shooting. He didn't approach the vehicle intending to shoot anyone and likely didn't expect this to happen. He is still very calm after the fact and if he came in expecting a shootout he would be treating her very differently especially with the phone. His behavior after the shooting makes me think he simply misread a situation, panicked, and made a bad decision. And he knows he fethed up and doesn't escalate the situation.

Context is extremely important.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
One witness, I believe it was the girlfriend in the car, does mention that other responding police were comforting the sobbing officer after the shooting.

I am not seeing how that is indicative of anything. The PoPo sho someone, and unlike wiener dogs are not heartless murdering machines. Whether innocent or guilty there would be emotion.

Now if the video records damaging statements from that huddle, however...

Yes, I agree. That is why I thought it was relevant. He realized that shooting a dude was a big deal!

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Very glad that PA does not have duty to inform. It's none of their business whether or not you're carrying, and no good can come of informing a cop that you're armed - that knowledge only increases the likelihood of you being shot.

Indeed, Iowa doesn't either. I've never been pulled over while carrying, but I'd always intended to inform a LEO at first contact as the Sheriff's office recommends. I don't think that's the plan anymore unless I'm asked to get out of the car or I think I'm about to get frisked.

 KiloFiX wrote:
I think when cops are involved - keep hands in view, inform them of what you're going to do before you do it, move real slow.

Here's the thing, I should not have to do that. Nobody should have to live with the expectation that a cop is going to shoot you for being pulled over when your fething tail-light is out. It's smart to do it like that, but we shouldn't have to do that in the first place.

 Ouze wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Very glad that PA does not have duty to inform. It's none of their business whether or not you're carrying, and no good can come of informing a cop that you're armed - that knowledge only increases the likelihood of you being shot.

Indeed, Iowa doesn't either. I've never been pulled over while carrying, but I'd always intended to inform a LEO at first contact as the Sheriff's office recommends. I don't think that's the plan anymore unless I'm asked to get out of the car or I think I'm about to get frisked.

I think even in "duty to notify" states there isn't clear agreement on how to notify.

Here in Oklahoma I have been recommended quite a few different approaches:

- Notify them as soon as they walk up to the window.
- Notify them after the initial pleasantries.
- Notify them saying "I am licensed to carry" and let them ask if you are carrying
- Notify them saying "I am licensed to carry and I am carrying right now"
- Notify them by simply handing them your CCL with your DL

 whembly wrote:
Heard on the radio during lunch that the shooting victim matches a BOLO from a recent area robbery...

Not quite...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/08/confirmed-philando-castile-was-an-armed-robbery-suspect-false-media-narrative-now-driving-cop-killings/

He did match a bolo. Here is a write up.

 redleger wrote:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/08/confirmed-philando-castile-was-an-armed-robbery-suspect-false-media-narrative-now-driving-cop-killings/

He did match a bolo. Here is a write up.

matching does not a suspect make, maybe a person of interest at the most, but not a suspect. whether he was the robber or not has not been revealed at this point, in fact nothing has been revealed at this moment really about what is what.

 redleger wrote:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/08/confirmed-philando-castile-was-an-armed-robbery-suspect-false-media-narrative-now-driving-cop-killings/

He did match a bolo. Here is a write up.

That's the same website which the article Scooty posted was debunking.

 redleger wrote:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/08/confirmed-philando-castile-was-an-armed-robbery-suspect-false-media-narrative-now-driving-cop-killings/

He did match a bolo. Here is a write up.

He was not a suspect, simple as that.

 redleger wrote:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/08/confirmed-philando-castile-was-an-armed-robbery-suspect-false-media-narrative-now-driving-cop-killings/

He did match a bolo. Here is a write up.

From this, I gather the only thing the victim and the suspect have in common is" black male with corn rolls." If this incident is the result of police standards for matching a bolo over there, the entire department should be shut down and reorganized.

 LordofHats wrote:

 redleger wrote:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/08/confirmed-philando-castile-was-an-armed-robbery-suspect-false-media-narrative-now-driving-cop-killings/

He did match a bolo. Here is a write up.

From this, I gather the only thing the victim and the suspect have in common is" black male with corn rolls." If this incident is the result of police standards for matching a bolo over there, the entire department should be shut down and reorganized.

Don't forget the "wide nose".

"Black male with corn rolls and wide nose. Wears baggy pants, a base ball cap, and sunglasses."

Clearly, only three or four people living in Minnesota could possibly match this description

 d-usa wrote:

 redleger wrote:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/08/confirmed-philando-castile-was-an-armed-robbery-suspect-false-media-narrative-now-driving-cop-killings/

He did match a bolo. Here is a write up.

He was not a suspect, simple as that.

But his source is such a reputable, hard-hitting newspaper of record. They're without a doubt free of any bias and a paragon of journalistic integrity.

Has the NRA spoken out about the killing of someone exercising their 2nd Amendment right? They are always encouraging people to get their CCL, so it seems that they would have an interest in this case.

 d-usa wrote:
Has the NRA spoken out about the killing of someone exercising their 2nd Amendment right? They are always encouraging people to get their CCL, so it seems that they would have an interest in this case.

I think they are waiting for the facts to come out first.

Asterios wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Has the NRA spoken out about the killing of someone exercising their 2nd Amendment right? They are always encouraging people to get their CCL, so it seems that they would have an interest in this case.

I think they are waiting for the facts to come out first.

Must be a new policy that they just implemented...

What does the NRA promoting concealed carry have to do with a trigger happy cop

 d-usa wrote:


Must be a new policy that they just implemented...

Here's an article about the NRA's response:

https://mic.com/articles/148263/the-nra-just-responded-to-philando-castile-s-shooting-death-by-police-in-minnesota?utm_source=policymicTBLR&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=social

Mario wrote:

 d-usa wrote:


Must be a new policy that they just implemented...

Here's an article about the NRA's response:

https://mic.com/articles/148263/the-nra-just-responded-to-philando-castile-s-shooting-death-by-police-in-minnesota?utm_source=policymicTBLR&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=social

like I said they are waiting for the facts to come out which have been lacking in this case so far, we know more about other incidents and even the Dallas shooting then we know of the Minnesota shooting.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Heard on the radio during lunch that the shooting victim matches a BOLO from a recent area robbery...

Not quite...

A) we don't know all the facts... so snopes is likely piss'n in the wind here... In fact, that should tell you something about snopes...

B) what I was referring to was what the local MN station about this:
http://www.kare11.com/news/police-scanner-audio-1/267042738

That's a copy of a police scanner transcript that matches the description of the event.

Do we have more official report yet? Has the Dashboard cam been made public yet?

 whembly wrote:

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Heard on the radio during lunch that the shooting victim matches a BOLO from a recent area robbery...

Not quite...

A) we don't know all the facts... so snopes is likely piss'n in the wind here... In fact, that should tell you something about snopes...

You clearly didn't read it because it says, in plain fething English, that we don't know all the facts but the "fact" that he was "wanted" is bull gak (along with all of the other garbage from that website's story). But I guess it's easier to vaguely reference that Snopes probably has a liberal bias or some dumb gak, so whatever.

B) what I was referring to was what the local MN station about this:
http://www.kare11.com/news/police-scanner-audio-1/267042738

That's a copy of a police scanner transcript that matches the description of the event.

Where do you think that story the Snopes article debunks got their information from? Oh, that's right, the transcript of the alleged police scanner audio given to the news station by a viewer.

Do we have more official report yet? Has the Dashboard cam been made public yet?

No.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Heard on the radio during lunch that the shooting victim matches a BOLO from a recent area robbery...

Not quite...

A) we don't know all the facts... so snopes is likely piss'n in the wind here... In fact, that should tell you something about snopes...

You clearly didn't read it because it says, in plain fething English, that we don't know all the facts but the "fact" that he was "wanted" is bull gak (along with all of the other garbage from that website's story). But I guess it's easier to vaguely reference that Snopes probably has a liberal bias or some dumb gak, so whatever.

Snopes been proven wrong on the more cultural/political events. All you have to do is look at the Trayvon Martin/Michael Brown gak.

So no, feth snopes. (for that matter feth politifacts/wikipedia... especially during election seasons).

B) what I was referring to was what the local MN station about this:
http://www.kare11.com/news/police-scanner-audio-1/267042738

That's a copy of a police scanner transcript that matches the description of the event.

Where do you think that story the Snopes article debunks got their information from? Oh, that's right, the transcript of the alleged police scanner audio given to the news station by a viewer.

So "alleged" means "not true".

Jesus... the fething audio is on that site, just listen to it.

Unless, you subscribe to some crazy pants idea that it's faked.

*THAT* is what I was referring too...

Do we have more official report yet? Has the Dashboard cam been made public yet?

No.

Okay then.

EDIT: scooty... I'm not attacking you and if you think I am, I'll re-edit my post. The aftermath of the Michael Brown saga in Ferguson, with all the misdirection/lies/co-opted provocateurs... situation like this hits a little too close to home.

We still don't have a good picture PRIOR to the shooting... so, the abject glee I've seen to turn this officer into a pariah (ala, Officer Wilson) is fething pathetic.

If it turns out that this officer essentially executed Castille, then throw the book at him... hard.

 whembly wrote:
Snopes been proven wrong on the more cultural/political events. All you have to do is look at the Trayvon Martin/Michael Brown gak.

Oh yeah? Got anything to back that up?

So no, feth snopes. (for that matter feth politifacts/wikipedia... especially during election seasons).

Yeah, I know you hate it when things prove what you believe wrong. You've made that pretty clear on more than one occasion.

So "alleged" means "not true".

Is that what I said? I'm pretty sure that isn't what I said.

Jesus... the fething audio is on that site, just listen to it.

I did.

Unless, you subscribe to some crazy pants idea that it's faked.

Is that what I said or are you again going to just assume that's what I said so you can try to make a point?

*THAT* is what I was referring too...

Look, I know you have issues with the word alleged, but those issues notwithstanding, the audio given to the news station is from a police scanner, not the police department. So until the police department comes out with audio, it's fething alleged.

Okay then.

So you're arguing just to argue?

EDIT: scooty... I'm not attacking you and if you think I am, I'll re-edit my post. The aftermath of the Michael Brown saga in Ferguson, with all the misdirection/lies/co-opted provocateurs... situation like this hits a little too close to home.

No, I think you're just being yourself.

If it turns out that this officer essentially executed Castille, then throw the book at him... hard.

Yeah, because that always works.

 whembly wrote:

EDIT: scooty... I'm not attacking you and if you think I am, I'll re-edit my post. The aftermath of the Michael Brown saga in Ferguson, with all the misdirection/lies/co-opted provocateurs... situation like this hits a little too close to home.

We still don't have a good picture PRIOR to the shooting... so, the abject glee I've seen to turn this officer into a pariah (ala, Officer Wilson) is fething pathetic.

If it turns out that this officer essentially executed Castille, then throw the book at him... hard.

I agree with all the witnesses and so forth who posted to the media how they saw Wilson shoot that guy as he was running or in cold blood ended up having lied while actual witnesses who saw the shooting said otherwise and yet the media squelched those reports, which is why I'm taking another wait and see for the facts on this before saying otherwise I don't want another innocent cops life ruined because of social media and lies if hes innocent then so be it, if hes guilty then hang him high, but until the facts come out I will stand by.