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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/16 05:03:12
Subject: Woman Live Streams Aftermath of Fatal Police Shooting
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curran12 wrote:And, logically, if he was drawn on, why hasn't he, or the department said so?
well odds are they are waiting for the investigation to conclude since saying something now with no evidence or thorough investigation could backfire even if it is true or not.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/16 05:20:06
Subject: Re:Woman Live Streams Aftermath of Fatal Police Shooting
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Asterios wrote:no i'm saying it could be possible, just that saying it is not is not reasonable,
Yeah, and a giant meteor could fall from the sky and kill everyone. Or Cthulhu could awaken to wretch himself from the briny depths to signal the coming apocalypse and bring about the end of humanity. See how easy it is to just say a bunch of dumb gak and follow it up with, "I'm just saying it's possible."
but unlike you i'm not ruling anything out till the facts come to light and right now, we only have a he said/she said situation and a serious lack of facts except that the cop shot the driver, we do not know why and under what circumstances.
Please explain to me what exactly I'm "ruling out" other than your nonsense about using his girlfriend's small child as a human shield? I mean, your "logic" (and I use that term very, very loosely) is that since we don't know exactly what happened, therefore anything could have happened, up to and including Castile drawing his legally owned firearm in an attempt to shoot two police officers while using his girlfriend's child as a human shield (and then maybe killing her as well because some "scum" have done it, too).
so good try on your attempt to move the goal posts, but keep chugging away.
Okay, now I know for certain that you have no clue what the phrase "moving goalposts" means. Have you considered Googling it?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/16 05:26:11
Subject: Re:Woman Live Streams Aftermath of Fatal Police Shooting
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ScootyPuffJunior wrote:Asterios wrote:no i'm saying it could be possible, just that saying it is not is not reasonable,
Yeah, and a giant meteor could fall from the sky and kill everyone. Or Cthulhu could awaken to wretch himself from the briny depths to signal the coming apocalypse and bring about the end of humanity. See how easy it is to just say a bunch of dumb gak and follow it up with, "I'm just saying it's possible."
but unlike you i'm not ruling anything out till the facts come to light and right now, we only have a he said/she said situation and a serious lack of facts except that the cop shot the driver, we do not know why and under what circumstances.
Please explain to me what exactly I'm "ruling out" other than your nonsense about using his girlfriend's small child as a human shield? I mean, your "logic" (and I use that term very, very loosely) is that since we don't know exactly what happened, therefore anything could have happened, up to and including Castile drawing his legally owned firearm in an attempt to shoot two police officers while using his girlfriend's child as a human shield (and then maybe killing her as well because some "scum" have done it, too).
so good try on your attempt to move the goal posts, but keep chugging away.
Okay, now I know for certain that you have no clue what the phrase "moving goalposts" means. Have you considered Googling it?
Did I say he used his girlfriends child as a shield? show where I said that or prove you are lying.
my point was people kept saying Castile would not pull his gun with children in the car, and I said that is not the case since there is evidence of much worse then that happening, as to moving goal posts you keep trying to insinuate I said something i didn't, so i'm calling you on it, you seem to think I said he used his girlfriends child as a shield and i'm saying prove it, or prove you are lying.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/16 06:48:56
Subject: Re:Woman Live Streams Aftermath of Fatal Police Shooting
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Asterios wrote:Did I say he used his girlfriends child as a shield? show where I said that or prove you are lying.
No and I didn't claim that you did. You said "it was possible," something I've repeated back to you already. You should do yourself a favor and go back and read some of the stuff you write because I'm not entirely sure you realize what you're saying. Since you probably won't do that, let's review it here: Asterios wrote:so yes it is feasible, but is this what happened? we do not know, since we do not know what happened or how it happened. just because someone got on Camera and said that is what happened after the fact does not make it fact, its like the incident that happened in Ferguson, lots of people got online and said so and so happened and it turns out they were lies.
There is where you said it was "feasible" that Castile drew his legally concealed firearm on the police with the intent to use his girlfriend's child as a human shield. (It should also be noted that the informal and common definition of feasible is, "probable, likely.") You stated your "logic" in this being "feasible" is because someone else has done it before even though there is no evidence that is is even remotely the case here. Then you follow it up with this gem: Asterios wrote:I repeat until all facts and evidence are presented neither side is guilty nor innocent.
To which I replied: ScootyPuffJunior wrote:Yeah, you're just going to post links to stories about people using children as human shields and speculate that maybe Castile did as well because you know, other people have done that in the past..
You counter that with this: Asterios wrote:no i'm saying it could be possible, just that saying it is not is not reasonable
Which tells me you didn't actually read what I wrote (which reminds me, didn't you put me on ignore a few days back?) or you don't understand what "speculate" means. You said that it's possible that Castile drew his legally concealed firearm on the police with the intent to use his girlfriend's child as a human shield and followed it up with the statement that it is unreasonable to say that probably isn't what happened. Sure, it's possible that is what happened just like it's possible that any number of things could have happened, but it's also a stretch to claim that it's unreasonable to think that it probably didn't happen even though what evidence there is doesn't really show that it's likely. For someone that loves to talk about wanting all the facts you seem to have no problem coming up with wild theories without them. my point was people kept saying Castile would not pull his gun with children in the car, and I said that is not the case since there is evidence of much worse then that happening,
Yes, something else completely unrelated and terrible has happened in the past therefore we have this instance. Thanks, Sherlock, I'm glad you're on the case. as to moving goal posts you keep trying to insinuate I said something i didn't, so i'm calling you on it,
Don't fool yourself here, you aren't "calling me" on anything. Also, you seriously don't understand what the phrase "moving goalposts" means. At all. So stop saying it. you seem to think I said he used his girlfriends child as a shield and i'm saying prove it, or prove you are lying.
No, actually I don't. I don't think you're lying, I just think you're engaging in your typical gak-posting.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/16 06:57:27
Subject: Woman Live Streams Aftermath of Fatal Police Shooting
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Let's move on from the using-a-kid-as-a-human-shield thing. Both sides have stated their points enough that it's starting to get snarky and rude now. Let's just leave it. Thanks
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/16 13:00:38
Subject: Woman Live Streams Aftermath of Fatal Police Shooting
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Has a job but can not maintain an active drivers licence registration or insurance? Blames it on police profiling? If he wasn't black - he could have got away with driving on a suspended licence for longer and maybe afforded the fines to get back on his feet? IMO that is pretty weak. Automatically Appended Next Post:
The cop says he reacted to the gun not his race. That is the only statement we have from his lawyer to this point. I assume his lawyer has advised to wait for public interest to move off this case before releasing details. Because if we have learned anything in the past few years is that the public WANTS this to be a bad shoot. They WILL manipulate every fact in the court of public opinion to make it his fault even if it isn't. I interpret his statement as saying he saw him with his hand on a gun at a minimum. Imagine this scenario - cops walk up - the girl is screaming and hands up don't shoot or something - then the cop see Castile with his hand on a gun.
The two biggest cases - Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown. Nether had a chance in court. Both involved the victim actually being the aggressor and no facts really pointed away from this. Yet the public was outraged and calling for blood. This will be no different if they don't let it calm down before releasing details.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/16 13:25:58
Subject: Woman Live Streams Aftermath of Fatal Police Shooting
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I am interested to see what the DoJ has to say, and if we have something similar to Ferguson or not.
Here is another story from the Star Tribune, the local paper on the same subject.
http://www.startribune.com/castile-lived-in-a-cycle-of-traffic-stops-fines/387046341/
In Minnesota, most police agencies don’t collect racial data on traffic stops. The most recent data looking at traffic stops in Minnesota, from 2003, found that blacks were three times more likely to be stopped than whites. St. Anthony was not part of that study.
So, here is some data but they do not provide the source. Too bad, I would have liked to have seen it.
Mary Moriarty, Hennepin County’s chief public defender, said Castile’s situation of being stopped so often, fined and losing a license is not unusual.
“It’s a black hole of which many of our clients don’t get out of,” she said.
Moriarty said many of her clients, often deep in poverty, can’t afford to pay a ticket. But that can result in a license revocation and steep charge — up to $600 — to get a license back, in addition to the fines and fees of the original ticket. Moriarty said her clients still need to drive to get to work.
This is a quote from a Public Defender, so they are a bit biased.
According to a 2005 St. Paul police report, officers responded to a report of men loitering. Upon arrival, they immediately recognized Castile getting into his vehicle. They stopped him.
“We have had numerous contacts with him in this car,” the officer wrote. “Normally, Castile is very cooperative and friendly, today he refused to exit the car and had to be ordered out. He finally complied on the 4th or 5th order.”
So we know that Mr. Castile has had interactions with the police, and they haven't always gone smoothly.
Through it all, Philando Castile never complained about being profiled, his mother said.
She said her son kept driving, even when his license was revoked, so he could get to work. For 14 years he worked for the St. Paul School District serving lunches and supervising cafeteria workers, a job that paid him $33,317.66 in 2015.
“He’d say, ‘OK, it’s a ticket, I’ll pay it and go to work. I love what I do,’ ” she said.
Now we see why a serial criminal like Castile may continue to drive even if his license was suspended.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/16 16:00:13
Subject: Woman Live Streams Aftermath of Fatal Police Shooting
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So repeatedly being pulled over for driving while black makes someone a serial criminal...
Sorry, he was pulled over for no good reason 50 out of 56 times.
If you were pulled over that many times, I'm sure the police can find something you did wrong.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/16 16:07:31
Subject: Woman Live Streams Aftermath of Fatal Police Shooting
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skyth wrote:So repeatedly being pulled over for driving while black makes someone a serial criminal...
Sorry, he was pulled over for no good reason 50 out of 56 times.
If you were pulled over that many times, I'm sure the police can find something you did wrong.
you would be surprised how many times the cops will have a car tagged especially in a small town if they know the driver is without a license and/or insurance, they don't look at it with color in mind, but with a ticket quota in mind or such. seen it happen way too many times to others of all races and colors.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/16 22:22:53
Subject: Woman Live Streams Aftermath of Fatal Police Shooting
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Asterios wrote:you would be surprised how many times the cops will have a car tagged especially in a small town if they know the driver is without a license and/or insurance, they don't look at it with color in mind, but with a ticket quota in mind or such. seen it happen way too many times to others of all races and colors.
On the other hand you have something like this where they cops explicitly mention that the are pushed into abusing the powerless and minorities to fill their quotas: https://twitter.com/LeKuroKami/status/751173343919890432/video/1
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/18 13:37:57
Subject: Woman Live Streams Aftermath of Fatal Police Shooting
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Some furtherreading about how the police are trained.
http://www.startribune.com/officer-in-castile-case-attended-bulletproof-warrior-training/386717431/
he seminar was called “The Bulletproof Warrior,” and the instructors urged the law enforcement officers in the hotel conference room to make the decision to shoot if they ever feel their lives are threatened.
Videos of bloody shootouts between police and civilians emphasized a key point: Hesitation can kill you.
In the audience at the May 2014 seminar was a young St. Anthony police officer, Jeronimo Yanez, city records show. He’s now known around the world as the officer who killed Philando Castile minutes after making a traffic stop in Falcon Heights last week.
Amid intensifying demands for changes in police training in the wake of the shooting deaths of Castile and others, such “survival” courses for officers are flourishing nationally. But some in law enforcement are distancing themselves from the approach.
The Houston Police Department, for example, won’t pay for its officers to attend the Bulletproof Warrior seminar, which is put on by an Illinois for-profit company called Calibre Press.
And the leader of an international police training association said he thinks some seminars like those offered by Calibre and other firms foster a sense of paranoia among officers.
Officer Jeronimo Yanez shot Philando Castile during a traffic stop last week, sparking national outcry.
“Police training became very militaristic and it caused a lot of the problems that are going on in the nation,” said Michael Becar, executive director of the International Association of Directors of Law Enforcement Standards and Training, with offices in Idaho and Washington, D.C.
Calibre recently changed the name of its Bulletproof Warrior course after complaints from police departments about the implication of the word “warrior.”
But owners of the company accuse the media of routinely distorting its message, twisting it to say the company’s programs train officers to kill.
“Our mission is to save everyone’s lives,” said Calibre CEO Lisa Gitchell. “We go to bed every night knowing that we did the right thing. We train officers to treat people with dignity and respect.”
Jim Glennon, a co-owner of Calibre who co-taught the seminar Yanez attended, said it’s wrong to link the course to the officer’s actions last week. “Everybody’s going after this kid,” Glennon said Wednesday. “Nobody should be judging what he did yet without the evidence.”
The Bulletproof Warrior is one of 15 sessions offered by Calibre and its parent company, LifeLine Training. The courses are well-known and popular in law enforcement circles. Facebook photos show conference rooms and auditoriums filled with officers to hear the Bulletproof Warrior message.
Fans say it provides a valuable “wake-up call” in police safety tactics for the street: how to read the body language of someone preparing to attack, for instance. Training professionals note that Calibre was a pioneer decades ago in teaching basic police safety.
Yanez took the 20-hour seminar on May 21-22, 2014, according to a summary of Yanez’s training that the city of St. Anthony provided after a public records request. A year earlier he attended “Street Survival,” another of the company’s seminars, records show.
Yanez also took 20 hours of training in 2012 in “Officer Survival” from a different organization. In May of this year, he took two hours of training titled “de-escalation,” the only instruction in his four years with the department that appears to focus on that approach, the records show.
Yanez’s lawyer, Thomas Kelly, did not respond to messages this week seeking comment. He told the Star Tribune on Sunday that the officer used deadly force because of “the presence of a gun.”
The Bulletproof Warrior was hosted by the St. Paul Police Department, which coordinates a range of training for officers around the state through its Professional Development Institute website.
“We offer an array of courses to officers so that they can continue to develop professionally, learn new skills and view issues from different points of view,” St. Paul police spokesman Steve Linders said.
William Czech was also in the Bulletproof Warrior class in the Ramada in Bloomington those two days in 2014. Czech isn’t a police officer. He’s a 47-year-old electrician from Mendota Heights with a keen interest in police training because of incidents involving a mentally ill family member.
Czech posed as a student to get into the class. He said he was horrified. He said he expected to see a presentation about understanding both how to avoid using deadly force as well as how to realize when it’s unavoidable. Czech said the course consistently emphasized the risk of hesitation.
The seminar was called “The Bulletproof Warrior,” and the instructors urged the law enforcement officers in the hotel conference room to make the decision to shoot if they ever feel their lives are threatened.
Videos of bloody shootouts between police and civilians emphasized a key point: Hesitation can kill you.
In the audience at the May 2014 seminar was a young St. Anthony police officer, Jeronimo Yanez, city records show. He’s now known around the world as the officer who killed Philando Castile minutes after making a traffic stop in Falcon Heights last week.
Amid intensifying demands for changes in police training in the wake of the shooting deaths of Castile and others, such “survival” courses for officers are flourishing nationally. But some in law enforcement are distancing themselves from the approach.
The Houston Police Department, for example, won’t pay for its officers to attend the Bulletproof Warrior seminar, which is put on by an Illinois for-profit company called Calibre Press.
And the leader of an international police training association said he thinks some seminars like those offered by Calibre and other firms foster a sense of paranoia among officers.
Officer Jeronimo Yanez shot Philando Castile during a traffic stop last week, sparking national outcry.
Officer Jeronimo Yanez shot Philando Castile during a traffic stop last week, sparking national outcry.
“Police training became very militaristic and it caused a lot of the problems that are going on in the nation,” said Michael Becar, executive director of the International Association of Directors of Law Enforcement Standards and Training, with offices in Idaho and Washington, D.C.
Calibre recently changed the name of its Bulletproof Warrior course after complaints from police departments about the implication of the word “warrior.”
But owners of the company accuse the media of routinely distorting its message, twisting it to say the company’s programs train officers to kill.
“Our mission is to save everyone’s lives,” said Calibre CEO Lisa Gitchell. “We go to bed every night knowing that we did the right thing. We train officers to treat people with dignity and respect.”
Jim Glennon, a co-owner of Calibre who co-taught the seminar Yanez attended, said it’s wrong to link the course to the officer’s actions last week. “Everybody’s going after this kid,” Glennon said Wednesday. “Nobody should be judging what he did yet without the evidence.”
The Bulletproof Warrior is one of 15 sessions offered by Calibre and its parent company, LifeLine Training. The courses are well-known and popular in law enforcement circles. Facebook photos show conference rooms and auditoriums filled with officers to hear the Bulletproof Warrior message.
Fans say it provides a valuable “wake-up call” in police safety tactics for the street: how to read the body language of someone preparing to attack, for instance. Training professionals note that Calibre was a pioneer decades ago in teaching basic police safety.
Yanez took the 20-hour seminar on May 21-22, 2014, according to a summary of Yanez’s training that the city of St. Anthony provided after a public records request. A year earlier he attended “Street Survival,” another of the company’s seminars, records show.
Yanez also took 20 hours of training in 2012 in “Officer Survival” from a different organization. In May of this year, he took two hours of training titled “de-escalation,” the only instruction in his four years with the department that appears to focus on that approach, the records show.
Yanez’s lawyer, Thomas Kelly, did not respond to messages this week seeking comment. He told the Star Tribune on Sunday that the officer used deadly force because of “the presence of a gun.”
The Bulletproof Warrior was hosted by the St. Paul Police Department, which coordinates a range of training for officers around the state through its Professional Development Institute website.
“We offer an array of courses to officers so that they can continue to develop professionally, learn new skills and view issues from different points of view,” St. Paul police spokesman Steve Linders said.
William Czech was also in the Bulletproof Warrior class in the Ramada in Bloomington those two days in 2014. Czech isn’t a police officer. He’s a 47-year-old electrician from Mendota Heights with a keen interest in police training because of incidents involving a mentally ill family member.
Czech posed as a student to get into the class. He said he was horrified. He said he expected to see a presentation about understanding both how to avoid using deadly force as well as how to realize when it’s unavoidable. Czech said the course consistently emphasized the risk of hesitation.
A copy of the seminar booklet that he made shows a page titled “Thou Shalt Not Kill?” It cites Bible verses that emphasize prohibitions on murder, not all killing.
On the second day, the group watched the shootout videos. One is the particularly gruesome dashcam video of Andrew Brannan pulling over in his white truck in Georgia in 1998 and then shooting Deputy Kyle Dinkheller to death.
Live: Day of protests in Twin Cities
Czech said Glennon ran that part of the seminar.
“Every time a video came up where the officer hesitated, he would stop and he would say ‘This is a point where there should have been a reaction, he should have engaged,’ ” Czech said.
Glennon, who was in St. Paul Wednesday running a leadership seminar, said in an interview that he is aware that a man in Minnesota posed as a student to get into the seminar. He called Czech’s interpretation of the seminar “totally inaccurate.”
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The seminar was called “The Bulletproof Warrior,” and the instructors urged the law enforcement officers in the hotel conference room to make the decision to shoot if they ever feel their lives are threatened.
Videos of bloody shootouts between police and civilians emphasized a key point: Hesitation can kill you.
In the audience at the May 2014 seminar was a young St. Anthony police officer, Jeronimo Yanez, city records show. He’s now known around the world as the officer who killed Philando Castile minutes after making a traffic stop in Falcon Heights last week.
Amid intensifying demands for changes in police training in the wake of the shooting deaths of Castile and others, such “survival” courses for officers are flourishing nationally. But some in law enforcement are distancing themselves from the approach.
The Houston Police Department, for example, won’t pay for its officers to attend the Bulletproof Warrior seminar, which is put on by an Illinois for-profit company called Calibre Press.
And the leader of an international police training association said he thinks some seminars like those offered by Calibre and other firms foster a sense of paranoia among officers.
Officer Jeronimo Yanez shot Philando Castile during a traffic stop last week, sparking national outcry.
Officer Jeronimo Yanez shot Philando Castile during a traffic stop last week, sparking national outcry.
“Police training became very militaristic and it caused a lot of the problems that are going on in the nation,” said Michael Becar, executive director of the International Association of Directors of Law Enforcement Standards and Training, with offices in Idaho and Washington, D.C.
Calibre recently changed the name of its Bulletproof Warrior course after complaints from police departments about the implication of the word “warrior.”
But owners of the company accuse the media of routinely distorting its message, twisting it to say the company’s programs train officers to kill.
“Our mission is to save everyone’s lives,” said Calibre CEO Lisa Gitchell. “We go to bed every night knowing that we did the right thing. We train officers to treat people with dignity and respect.”
Jim Glennon, a co-owner of Calibre who co-taught the seminar Yanez attended, said it’s wrong to link the course to the officer’s actions last week. “Everybody’s going after this kid,” Glennon said Wednesday. “Nobody should be judging what he did yet without the evidence.”
The Bulletproof Warrior is one of 15 sessions offered by Calibre and its parent company, LifeLine Training. The courses are well-known and popular in law enforcement circles. Facebook photos show conference rooms and auditoriums filled with officers to hear the Bulletproof Warrior message.
Fans say it provides a valuable “wake-up call” in police safety tactics for the street: how to read the body language of someone preparing to attack, for instance. Training professionals note that Calibre was a pioneer decades ago in teaching basic police safety.
Yanez took the 20-hour seminar on May 21-22, 2014, according to a summary of Yanez’s training that the city of St. Anthony provided after a public records request. A year earlier he attended “Street Survival,” another of the company’s seminars, records show.
Yanez also took 20 hours of training in 2012 in “Officer Survival” from a different organization. In May of this year, he took two hours of training titled “de-escalation,” the only instruction in his four years with the department that appears to focus on that approach, the records show.
Yanez’s lawyer, Thomas Kelly, did not respond to messages this week seeking comment. He told the Star Tribune on Sunday that the officer used deadly force because of “the presence of a gun.”
The Bulletproof Warrior was hosted by the St. Paul Police Department, which coordinates a range of training for officers around the state through its Professional Development Institute website.
“We offer an array of courses to officers so that they can continue to develop professionally, learn new skills and view issues from different points of view,” St. Paul police spokesman Steve Linders said.
William Czech was also in the Bulletproof Warrior class in the Ramada in Bloomington those two days in 2014. Czech isn’t a police officer. He’s a 47-year-old electrician from Mendota Heights with a keen interest in police training because of incidents involving a mentally ill family member.
Czech posed as a student to get into the class. He said he was horrified. He said he expected to see a presentation about understanding both how to avoid using deadly force as well as how to realize when it’s unavoidable. Czech said the course consistently emphasized the risk of hesitation.
A copy of the seminar booklet that he made shows a page titled “Thou Shalt Not Kill?” It cites Bible verses that emphasize prohibitions on murder, not all killing.
On the second day, the group watched the shootout videos. One is the particularly gruesome dashcam video of Andrew Brannan pulling over in his white truck in Georgia in 1998 and then shooting Deputy Kyle Dinkheller to death.
Live: Day of protests in Twin Cities
Czech said Glennon ran that part of the seminar.
“Every time a video came up where the officer hesitated, he would stop and he would say ‘This is a point where there should have been a reaction, he should have engaged,’ ” Czech said.
Glennon, who was in St. Paul Wednesday running a leadership seminar, said in an interview that he is aware that a man in Minnesota posed as a student to get into the seminar. He called Czech’s interpretation of the seminar “totally inaccurate.”
“That’s why we don’t let the press in,” Glennon said.
Glennon said they discussed how “hesitation can get you killed.” But the gist of the seminar is about balance and communication, he said, and how officers have to shift rapidly from guardian mode to warrior mode when situations turn violent.
The Bible verses are part of a discussion about officers dealing with guilt following a shooting, he said.
Glennon said the company renamed the course “Interaction and Influence” about three or four months ago. “We had different calls from some agencies literally saying the word ‘warrior’ has such a bad connotation we’re not comfortable sending people there,” he said.
But Glennon called assertions that its seminars promote an overly aggressive mind-set “ludicrous.” If officers trained more with their weapons in stressful scenarios, they would be more confident and less likely to fire, he said.
Still, there are some in law enforcement training who question the courses.
Becar, who leads the international law enforcement training group, said his organization has no position on LifeLine Training and Calibre. But he said he has attended Calibre classes.
“Everything they were doing made the police officers very paranoid,” Becar said. “At some point they wouldn’t even stop a car without three backups.”
The Houston Police Department will not pay for officers to attend the Bulletproof Warrior seminar, said Houston police spokesman Kese Smith. Officers can go on their own time and expense, he said.
Smith said he couldn’t elaborate, saying only that “some of their instruction is not what we instruct.”
Peter Kraska, chairman of the School of Justice Studies at Eastern Kentucky University, called the company’s seminars “irresponsible” and “dangerous.” Kraska’s research focuses on the militarization of U.S. law enforcement, which he traces to the war on drugs.
To Kraska, the training is an unexplored factor in the deadly confrontations taking place across the United States between police and civilians.
“It’s a huge missing explanatory part of what’s going on,” Kraska said.
If I recall correctly, this Kraska guy is a pretty well-known advocate for police de-militarization so use his quotes witha grain of salt. He has a clear agenda.
However, so does Glennon the guy putting on the seminars. However, he is a former officer.
reading it, sounds like just another example of how we are a very scared society.... even our "protectors" are sold on ideas using fear. Automatically Appended Next Post: Asterios wrote: skyth wrote:So repeatedly being pulled over for driving while black makes someone a serial criminal...
Sorry, he was pulled over for no good reason 50 out of 56 times.
If you were pulled over that many times, I'm sure the police can find something you did wrong.
you would be surprised how many times the cops will have a car tagged especially in a small town if they know the driver is without a license and/or insurance, they don't look at it with color in mind, but with a ticket quota in mind or such. seen it happen way too many times to others of all races and colors.
This happens. Happened to me. I drove an old beat-up Cutlass and was pulled over once a week as I drove at 2:00 AM through town every night due to work. Once I upgraded to a more expensive car POOF, never happened again even though my habits and patterns did not change.
Then at a community seminar (I was invited as I own a business) the Police Chief basically explained their policies were based on Broken Windows theory. Bravo.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/20 14:13:26
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Civil Unrest still a thing in Minneapolis/ St. Paul related to Castile shooting.
http://www.startribune.com/teachers-join-activists-to-protest-castile-shooting/387511391/
Hundreds of teachers joined community activists in a march and rally Tuesday afternoon in Minneapolis to protest the death of Philando Castile, who was fatally shot July 6 by a St. Anthony police officer during a traffic stop.
Union members from the Minneapolis and St. Paul Federation of Teachers, as well as other union educators from around the country, gathered at the Convention Center in downtown Minneapolis, then marched to U.S. Bank headquarters at 800 Nicollet Mall, where they planted themselves on 8th Street in protest of bank policies they say hurt education and minority Americans.
After police warned demonstrators that they needed to get off the street, most moved to the sidewalk. But a circle that included 21 people remained in place, their arms linked. Police moved in to arrest them about 6:20 p.m., securing them in plastic handcuffs one by one. Those being arrested — including union officers and a clergyman — were cheered by fellow protesters.
Minneapolis police confirmed all 21 arrested received a public nuisance citation, a misdemeanor, and were released.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/20 14:17:47
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I would not call that civil unrest. Civil unrest is a riot (also known as 'Thursday' in Oakland). Thats peaceful marching and protests.
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Meh, that is about as crazy as we get in Minnesota. Notice, most of the protesters were actually from Chicago.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/20 18:04:00
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Easy E wrote:Meh, that is about as crazy as we get in Minnesota. Notice, most of the protesters were actually from Chicago.
We have a lot of them and we share them with the rest of the country.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/21 06:12:18
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/21 06:17:20
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Kinsey said when he asked the officer why he fired his weapon, the cop responded, “I don’t know.”
Fire him, blacklist him from ever working as a police officer again, and charge him with assault with a deadly weapon. This is simply unacceptable.
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Peregrine wrote:Kinsey said when he asked the officer why he fired his weapon, the cop responded, “I don’t know.”
Fire him, blacklist him from ever working as a police officer again, and charge him with assault with a deadly weapon. This is simply unacceptable.
that is far, far to reasonable for the gakstorm this is likely to stir up
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/21 08:13:14
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and fire his partner for not disarming and arresting him (or shooting him as he was clearly armed and dangerous) in order to protect the public from him
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/21 12:58:03
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I hope whoever called in the 911 that he was armed feels like a real piece of gak now. Honestly if they arrive At a situation where the guy is supposed to be armed and suicidal it's going to take a lot for the cops to deescalate the situation. Looks like poor trigger discipline to me. That many nervous guys pointing guns is never a good thing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/21 13:09:23
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Easy E wrote:Meh, that is about as crazy as we get in Minnesota. Notice, most of the protesters were actually from Chicago.
They were probably up there doing Mall of America and had some free time in their schedule.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/07/21 13:12:28
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OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:and fire his partner for not disarming and arresting him (or shooting him as he was clearly armed and dangerous) in order to protect the public from him
And for not even attempting to apply life saving techniques to the wound... Just cuff him and let him lie bleeding in the street like an animal. They could apply pressure or a tourniquet or something to 'help' and show it was unintentional. Automatically Appended Next Post: SlaveToDorkness wrote:I hope whoever called in the 911 that he was armed feels like a real piece of gak now. Honestly if they arrive At a situation where the guy is supposed to be armed and suicidal it's going to take a lot for the cops to deescalate the situation. Looks like poor trigger discipline to me. That many nervous guys pointing guns is never a good thing.
I think people lie to 911 intentionally to get immediate reaction, and they use 'plausibile denyability' where they say 'well I honestly thought I saw a gun'.
They just didn't want a screaming man near their house, so if they call the police and tell the truth it may be an hour. Lie and say he has a gun and is threatening suicide, then it is immediate response.
The incident in Louisiana was based off a hoax tip from an angry homeless man who was panhandling and didn't get any money. Too many of these incidents are 'someone said he had a real gun so it justifies us.' and they are known boldface lies by the person calling 911.
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nkelsch wrote: OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:and fire his partner for not disarming and arresting him (or shooting him as he was clearly armed and dangerous) in order to protect the public from him
And for not even attempting to apply life saving techniques to the wound... Just cuff him and let him lie bleeding in the street like an animal. They could apply pressure or a tourniquet or something to 'help' and show it was unintentional.
Or hey, maybe even if it was intentional, because police officers are supposed to try and serve the public, as I understand it!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/10 14:40:07
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The police in Castile shooting have provide answers to three follow-up questions after data release.
http://www.fox9.com/news/186800316-story
Why did one officer appear to issue so many traffic citations?
“Each of our officers are given the latitude and discretion to provide service in a number of different ways. The specific officer chose to spend his additional time focusing on traffic enforcement to slow traffic in the community in an effort to reduce crashes.”
Why isn’t race documented in traffic stop data?
“For consistency, the city of St. Anthony mandates that race be recorded for all arrests, misdemeanor, felony and traffic, though not for parking tickets or written warnings. This is consistent with court requirements and a typical best practice in Minnesota.”
Why is Larpenteur Avenue so heavily patrolled?
“Two of the main reasons for this heavy patrol are that this stretch of road has a substantial number of accidents, and that area residents often raise concerns related to speeding and traffic issues.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/11 21:27:05
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Officers who were involved in shooting were not zealous traffic cops or seem to pull over black drivers more than others.
http://www.startribune.com/officers-who-pulled-over-philando-castile-not-zealous-traffic-enforcers/389741801/
Newly released data show the two St. Anthony police officers who pulled Castile over last month are not the department’s top traffic enforcers.
The data also don’t suggest that officers Jeronimo Yanez and Joseph Kauser are giving tickets and warnings to black drivers at extremely disproportionate rates, although the lack of race data on a significant proportion of tickets makes it impossible to draw firm conclusions.
Also, the family is seeking a federal investigation.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/09/30 13:30:58
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https://www.mprnews.org/story/2016/09/28/philando-castile-investigation-done-prosecutor-review
The investigation by the Minnesota Burea of Criminal Apprehension is complete and turned over to the prosecutors office for review prior to any charges being filed. Similar cases in the past have taken up to 7 weeks before the prosecutor has released his decision.
No additional Dash-Cam or video has been released.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/16 20:28:01
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Charges for the cops involved:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/16/us/officer-charged-philando-castile-killing/
(CNN)The Minnesota police officer who fatally shot Philando Castile during a traffic stop in July was charged Wednesday with second-degree manslaughter and two felony counts of dangerous discharge of a firearm, Ramsey County Attorney John Choi said.
St. Anthony police Officer Jeronimo Yanez will make a first court appearance Friday, Choi said.
"Based upon our thorough and exhaustive review of the facts of the case it is my conclusion that the use of deadly force ...was not justified," Choi said in announcing the charges.
News of Castile's July 6 death spread like wildfire on social media when his fiancée, Diamond Reynolds, live-streamed the aftermath of the shooting on Facebook Live. Reynolds' 4-year-old daughter was also in the car when the shooting occurred.
The incident, along with the July 5 fatal police shooting of Alton Sterling in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, sparked protests nationwide and renewed the debate over the relationship between law enforcement and the communities they serve.
Castile, 32, told the officer he was legally carrying a gun and and paramedics found a loaded pistol in his shorts, but "the mere presence of a firearm alone cannot justify use of deadly force," Choi said.
"No reasonable officer knowing, seeing and hearing what Officer Yanez did at the time would have used deadly force under these circumstances," Choi said.
Dashcam video captured conversation
Choi said Yanez told a fellow officer he wanted to pull over Castile's vehicle that night because the occupants looked like suspects in a recent robbery. Castile's vehicle also had a nonworking taillight, Yanez said, according to Choi.
Philando Castile had met the officer who shot him
Squad car video and audio recorded the conversation and showed Castile first handed Yanez his insurance card, according to Choi. When Yanez asked for his driver's license, Castile calmly said that he had a firearm and a permit to carry it, Choi said.
Yanez told him not to reach for the gun and Castile twice said he was not going to do that, Choi said.
"Then Officer Yanez screamed, 'Don't pull it out' and quickly pulled his own gun with his right hand," Choi said. He fired seven rounds "in rapid succession" into the vehicle, Choi said.
Castile's dying words were, "I wasn't reaching for it," Choi said.
Reynolds started live-streaming onto Facebook about 40 seconds after the last shot.
The aftermath of the shooting was streamed onto Facebook
Reynolds' video feed showed Castile slumping in the front seat with blood covering his shirt. Her video also recorded Yanez outside the car saying, "I told him not to reach for it. I told him to get his hand off it."
Scott, Castile and the women who filmed their final moments
The other police officer, who was standing on the passenger side of the car, never pulled his weapon, Choi said.
"He [Castile] volunteered in good faith that he had a firearm, beyond what the law requires," Choi said. "He emphatically stated he was not pulling it out. He was restricted by his seat belt. He was accompanied by a woman and a young child."
Emergency medical personnel found a .40-caliber pistol in the right front pocket of Castile's short, Choi said. The gun was loaded but didn't have a round in the chamber, he said. Also found in Castile's clothing was his wallet, which contained his driver's license and a concealed carry permit, Choi said.
"We believe Philando Castile never tried to remove the gun from his right front pocket that was a foot deep," Choi said.
Yanez's attorney could not immediately be reached for comment Wednesday, but has told CNN previously that the shooting had nothing to do with race and everything to do with a gun being present at the scene.
Choi said he did not plan to immediately release the squad car video and audio to the public.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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