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I was thinking of starting a BA army and one of their most appealing formations is the Sanguine Wing. It's 20 vanguard, 10 sternguard, and a storm raven. Everything starts in reseve's and the vanguard deepstrike. The benefit is free power weapons and combis. I was thinking having this formation, mix of power weapons on everyone that can get them and all types of combis on the sternguard. The rest of the list would be a CAD with 2 priests with JP (joining the vanguard) and Dante for his warlord trait. Probably a dread in a pod, maybe a couple tacs in rhinos?

I was thinking this list was lacking anti tank, so maybe some melta in pods? Dunno guys, what do you think? Tactics to use, different units etc.

Realize that if the priests join the Vanguards, you lose your reroll on the formation. They have to deep strike on their own and try to join the vanguards.

I am fielding this list right now, and anti-tank is not a problem.

I'm using:
Priest, jump pack, veritas vitae, bolt pistol

Priest, jump pack, angel's wing, bolt pistol

CC scouts, meltabomb

CC scouts, meltabomb

CC scouts, meltabomb

CC scouts, meltabomb

Furioso, drop pod, frag cannon, magna grapple, deathwind launcher, locator beacon

Furioso, drop pod, frag cannon, magna grapple, deathwind launcher, locator beacon

ASM, drop pod, 2 X melta, combi-melta, locator beacon

Archangel sanguine wing

10X vanguard, jump pack, 5 power maul, 5 power axe, 10 X storm shields

10X vanguard, jump pack, 5 power maul, 5 power axe, 10 X storm shields

10 X Sternguard, 10 X combi-melta, power axe on sarge

Stormraven, AC, MM, sponsons, extra armor

With the new FAQs, the furiosos threaten vehicles in assault and I have a melta ASM and 10 X combi meltas on the sternguard. Oh yeah, charging scouts have 12 S5 hits and a meltabomb. That hps out most tanks.

Isnt footslogging a bad idea for the scouts? Or do your opponents ignore them until it's too late? And the storm shields are pricy. I was thinking maybe half the squad would have it, but not the whole. Have the stormsshields paid off on the vanguard?

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
Isnt footslogging a bad idea for the scouts? Or do your opponents ignore them until it's too late? And the storm shields are pricy. I was thinking maybe half the squad would have it, but not the whole. Have the stormsshields paid off on the vanguard?

The scouts are surprisingly mobile with move through cover. They are really just there for cheap obj sec. They can also cause enemy response to open up areas to drop pod in.

Stormshields are expensive, but I've found them invaluable. Remember, interceptor fire is taken before you can spread apart. And only one squad can (maybe) get the angel's wing guy to protect them. The shields are great for soaking ion accelerators, etc. Also, you don't have to be nearly as concerned with which guy is closer to which squad. It's not that expensive in the scheme of things, I think.

So you're definitely on board for 10 Shields? I'd figure 5-6 to be enough, but with that many free power weapons you can splurge.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
So you're definitely on board for 10 Shields? I'd figure 5-6 to be enough, but with that many free power weapons you can splurge.

It makes those squads hard to kill to the last guy. It makes it so someone can't pod in some shooters on the other side of your shields and light you up with plasma. Totally worth 50 pts more.

Martel732 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
So you're definitely on board for 10 Shields? I'd figure 5-6 to be enough, but with that many free power weapons you can splurge.

It makes those squads hard to kill to the last guy. It makes it so someone can't pod in some shooters on the other side of your shields and light you up with plasma. Totally worth 50 pts more.

no, but it lets them pod in some tac marines with bolters and kill you anyway.

Bolters don't kill much. Plus, most of the time they have FNP. You're super doing nothing with bolters then.

Just so you are aware, Dante's Warlord Trait won't affect the Vanguards.

Martel732 wrote:
Bolters don't kill much. Plus, most of the time they have FNP. You're super doing nothing with bolters then.

yeah? well its doing about as much as plas would, and all but having you wasted those points on SS

casvalremdeikun wrote:Just so you are aware, Dante's Warlord Trait won't affect the Vanguards.

Why wouldn't it?

raiden wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Bolters don't kill much. Plus, most of the time they have FNP. You're super doing nothing with bolters then.

yeah? well its doing about as much as plas would, and all but having you wasted those points on SS

However it will pay off when you get shot by anything ap 2-3. With free weapons it lets you spend points on other stuff you would have used on weapons. Think about if you got shot with Plas without it. Martel has a point.

 raiden wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Bolters don't kill much. Plus, most of the time they have FNP. You're super doing nothing with bolters then.

yeah? well its doing about as much as plas would, and all but having you wasted those points on SS

If you are relying on boltguns to stop me, you've lost already.

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

casvalremdeikun wrote:Just so you are aware, Dante's Warlord Trait won't affect the Vanguards.

Why wouldn't it?

Because Descent of Angels only affects models in the same Detachment. Dante would be in a different from the Vanguard Veterans, therefore they would not be affected.

Ah good point. I guess locator beacons it is. Forever.


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 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

casvalremdeikun wrote:Just so you are aware, Dante's Warlord Trait won't affect the Vanguards.

Why wouldn't it?

raiden wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Bolters don't kill much. Plus, most of the time they have FNP. You're super doing nothing with bolters then.

yeah? well its doing about as much as plas would, and all but having you wasted those points on SS

However it will pay off when you get shot by anything ap 2-3. With free weapons it lets you spend points on other stuff you would have used on weapons. Think about if you got shot with Plas without it. Martel has a point.

The priests also make grav a mostly losing proposition vs these guys. And Avenger gatling cannons.

Martel732 wrote:

 raiden wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Bolters don't kill much. Plus, most of the time they have FNP. You're super doing nothing with bolters then.

yeah? well its doing about as much as plas would, and all but having you wasted those points on SS

If you are relying on boltguns to stop me, you've lost already.

how about scatter lasers? or whatever that Str6 heavy 4 weapon on eldar bikes is

And while that happens, you're safe from Warp Spiders or Dark Reapers (which I'm seeing more of in my area now...), or anything not a 6 from wraithguard.

Sounds like a fair trade-off to me.

 raiden wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

 raiden wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Bolters don't kill much. Plus, most of the time they have FNP. You're super doing nothing with bolters then.

yeah? well its doing about as much as plas would, and all but having you wasted those points on SS

If you are relying on boltguns to stop me, you've lost already.

how about scatter lasers? or whatever that Str6 heavy 4 weapon on eldar bikes is

Yeah, scatterlaser are still really bad. I didn't say it stopped everything. But spending 50 pts less on the unit doesn't matter scatterlasers still not a disaster. But it does a lot against ion accelerators, wraithcannons, grav, plasma, etc. Oh and you can beat terminators in CC as well.


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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
And while that happens, you're safe from Warp Spiders or Dark Reapers (which I'm seeing more of in my area now...), or anything not a 6 from wraithguard.

Sounds like a fair trade-off to me.

Not warp spiders. But a lot of things.

I thought Warp Spiders had Rending on their Spinners?


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If not some people in my group have some explaining to do...

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I thought Warp Spiders had Rending on their Spinners?


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If not some people in my group have some explaining to do...

It's like Bladestorm. So not Rending but still good.

Ah good, never mind then.

So Storm Shields are still a decent choice in that regard.