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Does anyone know when this thing drops? Forgeworld's site seems to imply (without specifically stating) July 31st.

Really looking forward to seeing what that jetbike skyhunter squad does, and the rumored assault marine drop in points

Availability:
Pre-order product that will ship from 15-Jul-2016

Seems pretty definite?

ah! thanks! missed that somehow

It's already sold out... no surprise their

Just the limited ed one is sold out, you can still pre-order the plain red legion astartes book.

 Walnuts wrote:
Just the limited ed one is sold out, you can still pre-order the plain red legion astartes book.

Oh, I over looked that. Thanks man

 Walnuts wrote:
Just the limited ed one is sold out, you can still pre-order the plain red legion astartes book.

Boo! Red sucks!

 Zuul wrote:

 Walnuts wrote:
Just the limited ed one is sold out, you can still pre-order the plain red legion astartes book.

Boo! Red sucks!

I kinda like it

Jetbike skyhunters are just the normal jetbikes, but they can all tske heavy weapons, rather than one in every three

So new player here (so new my books will not be at my house until Monday). I just ordered Age of Darkness Legions and Crusade imperialis army lists. Question does this new book replace the Crusade imperialis book ?

meatwagon wrote:
So new player here (so new my books will not be at my house until Monday). I just ordered Age of Darkness Legions and Crusade imperialis army lists. Question does this new book replace the Crusade imperialis book ?

so, there's 4 different kinds of red books now:

Mechanicum (up to date)
Legion Astartes: Age of Darkness Legions (Legion specific stuff, up to date)
Crusade Imperialis: Army Lists (Solar Auxilia, Knights, Imperial militia, up to date, NO space marine stuff inside)
Legion Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List (Just updated to, so now it's up to date)

You should be good, so long as you are aware that the second book you bought had nothing to do with space marine legions (assuming you didn't accidentally mix up the book names)

Thank you for the reply,. Double checked and did not mix up the names. Sounds like I should be good, I am starting an Iron Hands army so all I really need for them is Age of Darkness. Also picked up Book 2 Massacre for the fluff. Thanks again.

Dr. Bizarre wrote:
Jetbike skyhunters are just the normal jetbikes, but they can all tske heavy weapons, rather than one in every three

There's gotta be more to it than that, otherwise what the hell would be the point of normal jetbikes?

 Walnuts wrote:

Dr. Bizarre wrote:
Jetbike skyhunters are just the normal jetbikes, but they can all tske heavy weapons, rather than one in every three

There's gotta be more to it than that, otherwise what the hell would be the point of normal jetbikes?

We still don't know for certain exactly what the new jetbike unit will be like, but the common theory is certainly heavy weapon upgrades for all, and a good chance at a special rule. But the normal jetbike unit will still be a Fast Attack choice (rather than Heavy Support) and will also be cheaper.

 Walnuts wrote:

Dr. Bizarre wrote:
Jetbike skyhunters are just the normal jetbikes, but they can all tske heavy weapons, rather than one in every three

There's gotta be more to it than that, otherwise what the hell would be the point of normal jetbikes?

Not really? Fluff and point cost both will play into it massivley. Additionally, this is basically what the quad mortar support battery is.

I thought Sky Hunter Jetbikes were what Jetbike Squadrons have been since HH1 Betrayal? There isn't a "regular Jetbike" just Sky Hunter Jetbikes. Sky hunters have always been able to field heavy weapons on each jetbike, in fact they are only capable of taking heavy weapons options.

Also, don't the red books generally just feature units that were in previous HH books just tweaked for points? I wasn't aware they were releasing rules for new units.

I probably should have phrased it 'they can all upgrade tgeir heavy bolters, rather than one in every three'. It also collects the rules for the leviathan and the new consuls. And the missions from the black books

Dr. Bizarre wrote:
I probably should have phrased it 'they can all upgrade tgeir heavy bolters, rather than one in every three'. It also collects the rules for the leviathan and the new consuls. And the missions from the black books

Ah okay, but are they a separate unit? Sky Hunter Squadrons can only have one in three upgraded weapons. Or are they just going to change the rules to allow more weapon upgrades?

No, I think the OP has called them skyhunters, but they are the regular jetbikes. There is a new HS jetbike squadron too, but I forget their name. Good for White Scar and Ravenwing protocol players

Dr. Bizarre wrote:
No, I think the OP has called them skyhunters, but they are the regular jetbikes. There is a new HS jetbike squadron too, but I forget their name. Good for White Scar and Ravenwing protocol players

Have those been in an existing book? I can't remember seeing an alternate Jetbike squad. Or is this just something that we've been told to expect in the new Red book?

It was in the contents list which was leaked and doing the rounds a few weeks ago

Dr. Bizarre wrote:
It was in the contents list which was leaked and doing the rounds a few weeks ago

Gotcha, thanks mate.

No worries

 Brennonjw wrote:

 Walnuts wrote:

Dr. Bizarre wrote:
Jetbike skyhunters are just the normal jetbikes, but they can all tske heavy weapons, rather than one in every three

There's gotta be more to it than that, otherwise what the hell would be the point of normal jetbikes?

Not really? Fluff and point cost both will play into it massivley. Additionally, this is basically what the quad mortar support battery is.

Yes really. Even comparing tactical marines to devastators (in 40k). Devastators aren't just 'tacticals with more heavies and in a different slot'. They also lose special weapon options (and on occasion, obsec) and their serg has some unique wargear.
They wouldn't just literally copy paste the entire unit entry, but go 'uh, well this one can take the exact same heavies but on every model and has a really fancy name, derp.' That's lazy even by GW standards, let alone forgeworld.

 Walnuts wrote:

Dr. Bizarre wrote:
Jetbike skyhunters are just the normal jetbikes, but they can all tske heavy weapons, rather than one in every three

There's gotta be more to it than that, otherwise what the hell would be the point of normal jetbikes?

They aren't in the ridiculously overcrowded HS section, for starters. Heavy weapon jetbikes would be nice, but I can think of much better ways to spend a HS slot.

Are HS Jetbikes the only thing in the new Red Book that isn't in Book 6?

 KharnsRightHand wrote:
Are HS Jetbikes the only thing in the new Red Book that isn't in Book 6?

Possibly the only completely new thing. So far I've seen a complete list of available Lords of War, and the Malcador is in heavy support. Knights are also available as Lords of War .

There will be tweaks to existing units and rules, however. We can see some changes in the preview pages, and assault squads are definitely getting a points drop per the designers. I expect to see many more changes.

 gorgon wrote:
... and assault squads are definitely getting a points drop per the designers..

YAAAAAAAAAS! 185pt would be just perfect.

Destroyer Squads need to get bumped to 10 man squads and maybe they can be 200pt? Maybe 250 with cheaper packs?

And the Cerb with 3 shots and no Feedback.

4 more days until the release and I am going nuts waiting to see the changes.

Just put in my pre-order. Can't wait. I have been using my friends HH1 tome and I'm sick of lugging it around.

Hoping for fixes to Assault Squads and Destroyer squads, like everyone else. I've got full units of both, but alas for their points cost.