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 zedmeister wrote:
Just realised drop podded leviathans have been clobbered!


"Once the Drop Pod lands, its doors are opened automatically, but the Dreadnought inside does not have to deploy out unless the controlling player wishes, and if this is the case, though it may still be targeted by shooting attacks, it may not be charged while this rule is in effect."

And with a points increase on the pod, too! Unfortunate, but the DDP is still cheaper than a Dreadclaw for my Cortus.

ya the change to DDP was stupid.........Lets see lets make them far less useful and in give them a good sized point increase as well.

Some of the changes were really good and needed...as usual tho others just make you scratch you head like what?

If they had allowed the pod to act like ablative armor still the point increase was needed but since it no longer does that the point increase wasnt needed.

Its like hey this needs a nerf lets hit it a couple times with the nerf bat instead of just once lol

chaos45 wrote:
ya the change to DDP was stupid.........Lets see lets make them far less useful and in give them a good sized point increase as well.

Some of the changes were really good and needed...as usual tho others just make you scratch you head like what?

If they had allowed the pod to act like ablative armor still the point increase was needed but since it no longer does that the point increase wasnt needed.

Its like hey this needs a nerf lets hit it a couple times with the nerf bat instead of just once lol

Eh. Maybe it was something they saw in testing that needed it. Hard to tell, but I doubt it was arbitrary. This is FW, after all.

It may have been a way to help curb Pod Leviathans though, as it does increase their cost to Deep Strike in without adding to the already high cost of the Dread (and thus making it too expensive to run without a Pod).

It may have been a bit heavy-handed, but then Leviathans in DDPs were a bit point-and-click. I'm still planning to run one. As a WE player I'll have plenty of other targets in their face to force some hard decisions.

 gorgon wrote:
It may have been a bit heavy-handed, but then Leviathans in DDPs were a bit point-and-click. I'm still planning to run one. As a WE player I'll have plenty of other targets in their face to force some hard decisions.

I don't think they had a better alternative beyond just forcing players to use the Anvillus and Kharybdis. So this is like a happy middle-ground, really.

I'm not exactly sure what got nerfed here, as a newish 30k player can someone explain to me which combo can't be used as well anymore? Is it because of the increase in Dread pod points?

You can shoot dreads in dread pods now, instead of them having a free three hull points to protect them.

 Crazyterran wrote:
You can shoot dreads in dread pods now, instead of them having a free three hull points to protect them.

I never liked that myself, so I am glad they took that away. Always felt a bit cheap.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
You can shoot dreads in dread pods now, instead of them having a free three hull points to protect them.

I never liked that myself, so I am glad they took that away. Always felt a bit cheap.

I never had an issue with it. But I see why you would.

Does the dread still get a cover save?

 Decay wrote:
Does the dread still get a cover save?

Wouldn't matter for leviathans / deredeos / contemptors since they have invul saves anyway. As for boxnaughts, does anyone bother with those in 40k?

I am sad about the Dreadpod nerf, because I like Flamer Boxnaughts...

boxnought for life.

cheaper than contemptors, more weapon options (flamestorm cannons with shred eat EVERYTHING), easier to spam, with grenade changes are slightly better at tying up tac squads, etc.

 Swampmist wrote:
I am sad about the Dreadpod nerf, because I like Flamer Boxnaughts...

Yeah, see I was def thinking about incorporating an inferno flamer boxnaught into my force, but you'd want him to hop out as soon as he hits the deck anyway, so that he can flame on, right? Like if you're using him for MEQ hunting, that S6 AP3 teardrop, impeccably placed, is not the sort of thing you want to waste a turn to materialize so only downside is the point cost increase.

DropPods are Open Topped so you can fire out. On a good scatter, you could stay inside and burninate to your hearts content.

Has anyone got a copy yet? I'm still waiting on mine in the US, and haven't gotten any email from FW that its been shipped...wondering if I should call.

Nah, be patient. It just went live this weekend, they probably got a ton of orders, and the staff is likely still busy with the aftermath of the Open Day.

Roger that. This is the first time I've ordered directly from FW without my flgs in the middle, so I'm not sure what to expect.

 Swampmist wrote:
DropPods are Open Topped so you can fire out. On a good scatter, you could stay inside and burninate to your hearts content.

The doors gotta open, dude, you'd never get close enough to hit anything. Or wait, are you advocating that even with the doors closed you can still shoot out? "cause oh man is that some RAW nonsense!

 Walnuts wrote:

 Swampmist wrote:
DropPods are Open Topped so you can fire out. On a good scatter, you could stay inside and burninate to your hearts content.

The doors gotta open, dude, you'd never get close enough to hit anything. Or wait, are you advocating that even with the doors closed you can still shoot out? "cause oh man is that some RAW nonsense!

Every point on the door can be fired from.

It is open-topped. The entire vehicle is a fire point.

Wow, that's insane. Makes as much sense as models being able to shoot out from the inside of a land raider. Okay, I can totally see why forgeworld changed the rules so the doors have to open.

yeah, as much as it saddens me it does help game balance, as well as increasing the intuitiveness of the rules.

 gorgon wrote:
Nah, be patient. It just went live this weekend, they probably got a ton of orders, and the staff is likely still busy with the aftermath of the Open Day.

Mine's pending still as well, and I made this same assumption.

Then I realized that the fact that the FW mail order system is apparently completely separate from the much bigger and generally slicker GW proper mail order is one of the daftest and must inefficient GW related things I've seen in a good while...

I really like physical books (like I have all the black leather books so far- except for this one. Sold out before I could get online and order it ), but I'm really wondering if I should get he digital copy too? I bring my iPad to every game anyways, so... yeah, I'll probably get both. Thanks Forge World!

Mine shipped Monday and should be here soon, so I guess I just got lucky? And I can also answer questions, assuming none of 'yas get your books soon-ish.

Had a shipping notification earlier, so I'm guessing it'll arrive Fri/Sat assuming they've used 2nd class mail.

 Brennonjw wrote:
Mine shipped Monday and should be here soon, so I guess I just got lucky? And I can also answer questions, assuming none of 'yas get your books soon-ish.

My shipments from ForgeWorld have all been right at 1 week delivery time from shipment notification to arrival, both in Houston and Chicago.

Are Breacher squads cheaper now?

I ve got 40 Ultra Breachers but they're just so eye wateringly expensive points wise. Why take them when an Invictari costs the exact same but is better in virtually every regard?

 Totalwar1402 wrote:
Are Breacher squads cheaper now?

I ve got 40 Ultra Breachers but they're just so eye wateringly expensive points wise. Why take them when an Invictari costs the exact same but is better in virtually every regard?

well, 1) Invictari are stupidly expensive money wise , and 2) Breachers are troops.... I guess?

Anywho, IIRC they are 25 points base cheaper, but extra dudes cost 5 points over current, if that makes sense.