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So, Boris is offering to help Turkey get EU membership, apparently.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/boris-johnson-backs-turkeys-eu-bid-after-vote-leave-warned-of-its-impending-membership_uk_57ea6bb0e4b00e5804ef4f29?

Why would be doing that? Is it because he's got Turkish ancestry?

 Future War Cultist wrote:
Why would be doing that?

The answer to that question depends on the phase of the moon.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
Why would be doing that? Is it because he's got Turkish ancestry?

No, it's because he's an idiot, a buffoon, a self-serving chancer, who only joined the Leave camp to further his own political ambitions.

Bojo highlights how wretched and corrupt British politics is if people like him can rise to high office.

This is a man who said we should leave the EU because Turkey might join.

Now he's pushing for Turkey to join the EU!

Hopefully, we'll see the day when this non-entity is exiled to a holiday camp in Skegness.

You constantly blame "British politics".

Bozza was elected MP for Henley. He was elected Mayor of London. He was elected for Clwyd, and for Uxbridge.

If Bozza represents the dreadful state of British politics, it is because the British public is dreadful.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
You constantly blame "British politics".

Bozza was elected MP for Henley. He was elected Mayor of London. He was elected for Clwyd, and for Uxbridge.

If Bozza represents the dreadful state of British politics, it is because the British public is dreadful.

You know the old joke about a monkey with a red rosette winning a seat for Labour in Glasgow?

Well, there are parts of England where a dead parrot with a blue rosette could win a seat for the Tories.

The British public is not dreadful, because they vote with their feet, which is why most of them are members of the none of the above party, Britain's fastest growing since the 1990s.

That still puts the blame on the electorate.

Clwyd has had Labour and Conservative MPS. It isn't a safe Con seat. (Henley is.) Mayor of London has been Labour, then Conservative, then Labour.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
it is because the British public is dreadful.

Pretty much.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
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Hopefully, we'll see the day when this non-entity is exiled to a holiday camp in Skegness.

What is it with you and Skegness? It's better than Blackpool, send the floppy haired [insert Alpharius approved profane descriptive here] there.

Edit: Apologies for naughty language kids.

Actually I think on the whole the British public are a lovely bunch of people.

About Bojo: he really should stay out of it. The future of the EU is no longer our concern.

Don't you see. They said we should leave because Turkey is joining, so by getting Turkey to join he is showing us that he was serious about Turkey joining being a good reason to leave.

Its genius.

Blaming the British public for incompetent and inept politicians is a dreadful argument to make.

As I have said, none of the above is the British public's response and who can blame them? Not I.

Our politicians don't like the public nor do they trust them.

We are constantly lectured on how much we should drink or smoke. What we should eat. Our sugar intake.

We can't be trusted to raise our children without the government holding our hands, and for years, we couldn't have a proper debate on immigration because the Westminster elites thought we were all a bunch of drolling racists, ready to attack Eastern Europeans, whilst clutching a copy of the Sun or Daily Mail.

And what of our leaders? David Cameron? Ed Miliband?

Wet blankets who couldn't inspire a lemming to jump off a cliff!

Visionless leaders, glorified PR men, spivs, SPADs and Blairite careerists...

Vote for that? Never!

And finally, before anybody asks, what are you doing about this, well, you guys already know what I'm doing about it: I campaign for Scottish independence. Get me the hell out of the UK.

Rant over!



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 welshhoppo wrote:
Don't you see. They said we should leave because Turkey is joining, so by getting Turkey to join he is showing us that he was serious about Turkey joining being a good reason to leave.

Its genius.

To quote Edmund Blackadder, there's one fatal flaw with that plan: it's complete bollocks!

This is why I love TV shows like 'Newzoids' - it might be all done in the name of comedy but it really shows the true nature of the UK's politicians and other figureheads.
I personally love politics to some extent and I am a member of a party, however I'll happily admit - when you really get down to the big boys, the leaders - politics is a business for the rich, who couldn't give a feth about the rest of us.

It's sad, really.

 whispered_war wrote:
This is why I love TV shows like 'Newzoids' - it might be all done in the name of comedy but it really shows the true nature of the UK's politicians and other figureheads.
I personally love politics to some extent and I am a member of a party, however I'll happily admit - when you really get down to the big boys, the leaders - politics is a business for the rich, who couldn't give a feth about the rest of us.

It's sad, really.

It is. Only vested interests get looked after.

It's nice to meet another newzoids fan though.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
It is. Only vested interests get looked after.

Yeah - I'd love to become a politician to be honest, just to see if I could change anything as the 'new generation' - it's worth a shot but highly unlikely, and I doubt another politicians would particularly like me very much - I can just see myself making friends with Boris! From the research I've done it seems to take 12 months for you to go from membership to potential candidate - so a 19 year old candidate? I'm hoping the appeal of a youthful change would get me to the top - but again, seriously unlikely, unfortunately

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

And finally, before anybody asks, what are you doing about this, well, you guys already know what I'm doing about it: I campaign for Scottish independence. Get me the hell out of the UK.

So first you want out of EU, then when you get that you would want Scotland to rid itself from UK that would result in pro-EU scotland rejoining the very thing you wanted to get rid in the first place.

 whispered_war wrote:
Yeah - I'd love to become a politician to be honest, just to see if I could change anything as the 'new generation' - it's worth a shot but highly unlikely, and I doubt another politicians would particularly like me very much - I can just see myself making friends with Boris! From the research I've done it seems to take 12 months for you to go from membership to potential candidate - so a 19 year old candidate? I'm hoping the appeal of a youthful change would get me to the top - but again, seriously unlikely, unfortunately

I think Churchill said (or is said to have said) something to the effect of "it's good to have enemies because it means you believe in something". The current crop of politicians are a shower of bastards so I'm inclined to believe that if you didn't get along with them you're probably doing something right!

If you do decide to pursue a career in politics I wish you all the best.

tneva82 wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

And finally, before anybody asks, what are you doing about this, well, you guys already know what I'm doing about it: I campaign for Scottish independence. Get me the hell out of the UK.

So first you want out of EU, then when you get that you would want Scotland to rid itself from UK that would result in pro-EU scotland rejoining the very thing you wanted to get rid in the first place.

I don't like the UK and I don't like the EU.

When I say UK, I don't mean the British people, who are my friends, family,loved one's etc etc

Not all of them, obviously, just the one's I know.

It's Westminster rule I don't like. The British people are the salt of the earth in my book, it's just the idiots that rule us who I don't like.

Finally, not every Scottish Independence supporter is pro-EU. It's a broad movement.


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 Future War Cultist wrote:

 whispered_war wrote:
Yeah - I'd love to become a politician to be honest, just to see if I could change anything as the 'new generation' - it's worth a shot but highly unlikely, and I doubt another politicians would particularly like me very much - I can just see myself making friends with Boris! From the research I've done it seems to take 12 months for you to go from membership to potential candidate - so a 19 year old candidate? I'm hoping the appeal of a youthful change would get me to the top - but again, seriously unlikely, unfortunately

I think Churchill said (or is said to have said) something to the effect of "it's good to have enemies because it means you believe in something". The current crop of politicians are a shower of bastards so I'm inclined to believe that if you didn't get along with them you're probably doing something right!

If you do decide to pursue a career in politics I wish you all the best.

There's too much center ground in politics these days. I don't like Corbyn, but at least he believes in something. I can respect that.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

And finally, before anybody asks, what are you doing about this, well, you guys already know what I'm doing about it: I campaign for Scottish independence. Get me the hell out of the UK.

So first you want out of EU, then when you get that you would want Scotland to rid itself from UK that would result in pro-EU scotland rejoining the very thing you wanted to get rid in the first place.

I don't like the UK and I don't like the EU.

When I say UK, I don't mean the British people, who are my friends, family,loved one's etc etc

Not all of them, obviously, just the one's I know.

It's Westminster rule I don't like. The British people are the salt of the earth in my book, it's just the idiots that rule us who I don't like.

Finally, not every Scottish Independence supporter is pro-EU. It's a broad movement.

You better decide who you hate more then... Parliment or the EU?

And yet the SNP are the acceptable face of politics?

It's bizarre that you can not see the same self-serving traits in them that seem common in all politicians.

Latest: Fraking: bad and banned but foreign fraking: good if it preserves Scottish jobs.....okay?

 notprop wrote:
And yet the SNP are the acceptable face of politics?

It's bizarre that you can not see the same self-serving traits in them that seem common in all politicians.

Latest: Fraking: bad and banned but foreign fraking: good if it preserves Scottish jobs.....okay?

I don't agree with everything the SNP says and does.


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 Optio wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

And finally, before anybody asks, what are you doing about this, well, you guys already know what I'm doing about it: I campaign for Scottish independence. Get me the hell out of the UK.

So first you want out of EU, then when you get that you would want Scotland to rid itself from UK that would result in pro-EU scotland rejoining the very thing you wanted to get rid in the first place.

I don't like the UK and I don't like the EU.

When I say UK, I don't mean the British people, who are my friends, family,loved one's etc etc

Not all of them, obviously, just the one's I know.

It's Westminster rule I don't like. The British people are the salt of the earth in my book, it's just the idiots that rule us who I don't like.

Finally, not every Scottish Independence supporter is pro-EU. It's a broad movement.

You better decide who you hate more then... Parliment or the EU?

I like neither.

Honest question: If Scotland leaves the United Kingdom, can it stand on it's own two feet? Or will it be forced to become a client state of the EU?

 oldravenman3025 wrote:

Honest question: If Scotland leaves the United Kingdom, can it stand on it's own two feet?

Easily. It has a modern western European economy, with particular strengths in agriculture, tourism, technology and the creative industries. It is self sufficient in energy production, wind power alone powered Scotland's entire electricity grid for the first time a couple of months ago, and it also has oil.

Has Ireland become a client state of the EU?

 oldravenman3025 wrote:


Honest question: If Scotland leaves the United Kingdom, can it stand on it's own two feet? Or will it be forced to become a client state of the EU?

Yes. Depending on oil prices at the time of leaving, Scotland could find it was self-sufficient and had a spending surplus of a few percent, or had to make budget cuts of a few percent to balance out spending (or more likely, lie to the public and borrow extensively instead, as governments as wont to do). But it generates enough income generally and has a good enough infrastructure it would be alright even if there did have to be some belt-tightening.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

And finally, before anybody asks, what are you doing about this, well, you guys already know what I'm doing about it: I campaign for Scottish independence. Get me the hell out of the UK.

So first you want out of EU, then when you get that you would want Scotland to rid itself from UK that would result in pro-EU scotland rejoining the very thing you wanted to get rid in the first place.

I don't like the UK and I don't like the EU.

When I say UK, I don't mean the British people, who are my friends, family,loved one's etc etc

Not all of them, obviously, just the one's I know.

It's Westminster rule I don't like. The British people are the salt of the earth in my book, it's just the idiots that rule us who I don't like.

Finally, not every Scottish Independence supporter is pro-EU. It's a broad movement.


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 Future War Cultist wrote:

 whispered_war wrote:
Yeah - I'd love to become a politician to be honest, just to see if I could change anything as the 'new generation' - it's worth a shot but highly unlikely, and I doubt another politicians would particularly like me very much - I can just see myself making friends with Boris! From the research I've done it seems to take 12 months for you to go from membership to potential candidate - so a 19 year old candidate? I'm hoping the appeal of a youthful change would get me to the top - but again, seriously unlikely, unfortunately

I think Churchill said (or is said to have said) something to the effect of "it's good to have enemies because it means you believe in something". The current crop of politicians are a shower of bastards so I'm inclined to believe that if you didn't get along with them you're probably doing something right!

If you do decide to pursue a career in politics I wish you all the best.

There's too much center ground in politics these days. I don't like Corbyn, but at least he believes in something. I can respect that.

As a northerner from the north east can you take us with you? It'll be just like old times, you can come south and conquer York again.

 Ketara wrote:

 oldravenman3025 wrote:


Honest question: If Scotland leaves the United Kingdom, can it stand on it's own two feet? Or will it be forced to become a client state of the EU?

Yes. Depending on oil prices at the time of leaving, Scotland could find it was self-sufficient and had a spending surplus of a few percent, or had to make budget cuts of a few percent to balance out spending (or more likely, lie to the public and borrow extensively instead, as governments as wont to do). But it generates enough income generally and has a good enough infrastructure it would be alright even if there did have to be some belt-tightening.

I did some research on it a year or two ago, Scotland would need to seriously tighten its belt in order to remain self sufficient. Like to the tune of several billion pounds a year if I remember correctly.

 welshhoppo wrote:
Like to the tune of several billion pounds a year if I remember correctly.

I presume that is based on the GERS data? There are there fundamental problems with that dataset. Firstly is not very accurate and can be altered quite easily, secondly an independent Scotland would have different taxation and expenditure than it does as part of the UK and thirdly around 40% of Scotland's budget is withheld by Westminster for 'reserved' matters like HS2 or Trident.

There will be a period of flux, that's inevitable, but there is no reason to assume that an independent Scotland would be financially embarrassed over the medium to long term.

It was. Luckily they have only recently release this financial year's one.

http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2016/08/2132

Scotland is currently running a 12.7 Billion pound deficit, or about 9% of GDP.

 welshhoppo wrote:
It was. Luckily they have only recently release this financial year's one.

http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2016/08/2132

Scotland is currently running a 12.7 Billion pound deficit, or about 9% of GDP.

I'm not having a go at you welshhoppo, because you're not the only person to have made this point, but it's a point that seriously annoys me. Why?

Because every government on planet Earth is running a deficit.

The UK's deficit is at an all time high. It's debt is nearly off the scale, and yet, nobody raises an eyebrow at this.

But Scotland? That's a special case if they ever get in debt. As if no government in the galaxy has ever had to borrow money, or rack up a debt, or a deficit.

I hate the double standards of this argument.

God almight, a few years back, the Bank of England printing presses nearly broke down with all the money they had to print for quantitative easing.

Money, that is essentuially, worthless, because you can print an unlimited amount of it.

And yet, nobody raised an eyebrow at this. If an independent Scotland did it, critics would say it was the prelude to world war three or something.

Ok, rant over.

No offence but you do talk a lot of bollocks sometimes, Do_I_Not_Like_It.

The UK deficit is far lower now than during WW1 or WW2. The Tories have raised a massive eyebrow at it nonetheless and decided the solution is to reduce public spending and taxes. They are wrong, of course, and have perpetuated the recession.

Ho hum.

There's no point you trying to draw conclusions or make points about situations if you don't seem have a grasp of the basic facts. It makes it look like your rants are just that, rants, and therefore to be ignored.