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DorianGray wrote:
Could you provide some examples of how you feel that their is too much focus and too many releases for Space Marine associated materials? Some concrete examples would lend weight to your concern for the proliferation of Space Marines by Games Workshop."

That's the nicest way to say "Make a more coherent argument or STFU!" that I've ever seen.

to you, GW dude/chick. indeed.

Really, you actually made a complete goof of yourself and emailed GW about people buying and playing Space Marine armies? Are you five years old? What do you expect will happen from your "official complaint?"

I swear, some of the people who play this game...

Someone had to do something and give concrete feedback to the design team.

Otherwise GW is completely unaware of the fact that 70%+ of armies out there are Space Marines

Reference their release schedule looking like this:

C:SM
C:SM and Tau
C:BA
C:SW
C:SM and Eldar
C: DA
C:SM and CSM
C:SM and Daemons
C:SM
C:SM and Tyranids

SM is a great starter army. Lots of options, but not too much you need to look for with regards to rules interaction. Once you have the basics down, you're able to look at other armies with an eye towards the SM baseline.

I may be repeating other people here: correct me if I'm wrong, but your complaint is: Lots of people play space marines, so stop releasing space marines? In other news: McDonalds sells lots of cheeseburgers, and to make it fair for the Nugget eaters, they will now be cutting half of the burger products from their menus to make it fair for those who like chicken.

If it's really that much of a "STUPID NORMIES! REE!" thing for you, then be the change you want to see: Encourage new people to play other armies, etc. Alternatively, stop whining that people play the army they like, and be glad that the community isn't dead maybe?

5/23 armies on the web store are Astartes. Really it's 5/22 because Officio Assassinorium doesn't really count as a faction. That's 22% roughly, if other factions got the same amount of attention there would only be 4 factions.

And space marines are one of the easy first armies, in every starter set.
Spare and second hand are everywhere, its not hard to see why they are popular. They are alos more forgiving to new players, easy to paint within reason, convert and the fact there utterly interchangeable design means even a novice converter can achieve what they want.

 Brennonjw wrote:
I may be repeating other people here: correct me if I'm wrong, but your complaint is: Lots of people play space marines, so stop releasing space marines? In other news: McDonalds sells lots of cheeseburgers, and to make it fair for the Nugget eaters, they will now be cutting half of the burger products from their menus to make it fair for those who like chicken.

If it's really that much of a "STUPID NORMIES! REE!" thing for you, then be the change you want to see: Encourage new people to play other armies, etc. Alternatively, stop whining that people play the army they like, and be glad that the community isn't dead maybe?

Nah, let them. Drink in their tears as you crush them with Gladius' and the Super Best Friends Allies, it's the only way.

19 people in this poll have a sense of humor

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Brennonjw wrote:
I may be repeating other people here: correct me if I'm wrong, but your complaint is: Lots of people play space marines, so stop releasing space marines? In other news: McDonalds sells lots of cheeseburgers, and to make it fair for the Nugget eaters, they will now be cutting half of the burger products from their menus to make it fair for those who like chicken.

If it's really that much of a "STUPID NORMIES! REE!" thing for you, then be the change you want to see: Encourage new people to play other armies, etc. Alternatively, stop whining that people play the army they like, and be glad that the community isn't dead maybe?

Nah, let them. Drink in their tears as you crush them with Gladius' and the Super Best Friends Allies, it's the only way.

But.... but I don't play 40k space marines (30k's a different story DG, TS, and Solar Auxilia for life )

I'm still trying to figure out what an "Official Compliant" is.

 Elbows wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out what an "Official Compliant" is.

Given how serious the OP seems to take it I'm going to assume either molotovs through the window or a sniper.

DorianGray wrote:
Someone had to do something and give concrete feedback to the design team.

So you thought your thinks + self selecting survey with three options from the Internet was concrete feedback?

Otherwise GW is completely unaware of the fact that 70%+ of armies out there are Space Marines

I think they probably knew this already...

You know, on account of being aware how many models they make and sell.

Call me crazy, but I think the fact that 70% of armies are Space Marines is probably why we see a lot of Space Marines releases. Releasing something that is usable by 70% of your customer base is just smart business. Go where the money is. If non-SM players want that to change, they need to spend more money on non-SM stuff. It really is that simple.

SM are a great starter army due to being relatively easy to paint and fairly simple to play tactically. That is almost never going to change without passing off 70% of the customer base.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Call me crazy, but I think the fact that 70% of armies are Space Marines is probably why we see a lot of Space Marines releases. Releasing something that is usable by 70% of your customer base is just smart business. Go where the money is. If non-SM players want that to change, they need to spend more money on non-SM stuff. It really is that simple.

SM are a great starter army due to being relatively easy to paint and fairly simple to play tactically. That is almost never going to change without passing off 70% of the customer base.

SM are popular because they get all the support. Give more support to more non SM armies and they get more popular. Simple.

pm713 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Call me crazy, but I think the fact that 70% of armies are Space Marines is probably why we see a lot of Space Marines releases. Releasing something that is usable by 70% of your customer base is just smart business. Go where the money is. If non-SM players want that to change, they need to spend more money on non-SM stuff. It really is that simple.

SM are a great starter army due to being relatively easy to paint and fairly simple to play tactically. That is almost never going to change without passing off 70% of the customer base.

SM are popular because they get all the support. Give more support to more non SM armies and they get more popular. Simple.

Chicken or the egg. Something had to lead GW down the road of Lots of Space Marines, and I am willing to bet it was sales figures.

And it is only sales figures that will convince GW management that players are interested in the xenos and chaos factions.

As far as they can tell, only a vocal minority doesn't want to play Marinehammer.

I'z playin' wit da Space Marines! Playin' wit deyr hedds liek a ball, playin' wit deyr squishy bits, playin' wit da dakka I taek frum dem. Lotza fun wit Space Marines! Dey maek a gud fight!

Marking all your posts as spam until you make them relevant to the threads.

Space Marines literally come in every starter edition of 40K. It's a rare 40K player that has never played Space Marines.

Proud to be one of them then! I did however buy a small marine force when I entertained the idea of doing a Salamander army. Never played a game with them though, does that count?

 Selym wrote:
And it is only sales figures that will convince GW management that players are interested in the xenos and chaos factions.

As far as they can tell, only a vocal minority doesn't want to play Marinehammer.

So what is the solution to that problem? They have already buffed a good number of the xenos armies to the point they are as powerful or more powerful than Space Marines, probably in an effort to entice players to buy them, yet here we sit with a continual stream of SM products.

Probably.

Much as I hate the SM spam, I have a BT army.

Seriously lacking in anything even vaguely useable in a game, and barely anything for my troops quotient, but it has had a good number of chances to kill some other marines.


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Selym wrote:
And it is only sales figures that will convince GW management that players are interested in the xenos and chaos factions.

As far as they can tell, only a vocal minority doesn't want to play Marinehammer.

So what is the solution to that problem? They have already buffed a good number of the xenos armies to the point they are as powerful or more powerful than Space Marines, probably in an effort to entice players to buy them, yet here we sit with a continual stream of SM products.

Possibly they over did it. Eldar and Necrons are regarded as op and/or annoying af, and it's hardly like their entire range became noteworthy selling points. After an initial craze for certain things, their sales probably dropped off the radar.

Further to this is that production lines probably take a good 2-4 years to properly implement. We'd likely not see the outcome of a particular shift for a couple of years, and right now GW is changing stuff so fast that they cannot attribute any success to any individual change.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Selym wrote:
And it is only sales figures that will convince GW management that players are interested in the xenos and chaos factions.

As far as they can tell, only a vocal minority doesn't want to play Marinehammer.

So what is the solution to that problem? They have already buffed a good number of the xenos armies to the point they are as powerful or more powerful than Space Marines, probably in an effort to entice players to buy them, yet here we sit with a continual stream of SM products.

Because that isn't good support. For example we'll look at Eldar. Updating Finecast models, balancing rules and a decent starter box containing them like Stormclaw would be great. They have none of those things now.

Honestly, the Start Collecting boxes would have been a great way to do that. Problem is, most are great ways to start an army, but Eldar got shafted hard. They should have had a foot Farseer, a squad of Guardians, and either a Wave Serpent or a Falcon. That would have screamed Eldar to me. The current box does not. Another thing they should do is release a small format codex of every army paired with the small format BRB.

That would be a great thing for starters.

Aye, actually putting someone else in the limelight for once would be a massive relief - although I dread the legions of crying SM fanboys.

 Selym wrote:
Reference their release schedule looking like this:

C:SM
C:SM and Tau
C:BA
C:SW
C:SM and Eldar
C: DA
C:SM and CSM
C:SM and Daemons
C:SM
C:SM and Tyranids

Aww... Welp, I'll still keep collecting Dark Eldar. Is that the release schedule for the whole years?

It's what they seem to release in general. If it's a SM update, there will be lots of SM updates, and lots of SM. If it's a Xenos update, it almost always comes with more SM.