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Hello all,

I'm curious as to which rules are the most appropriate to use when fielding Reavers or Warhounds? There's the ones in the latest Apocalypse book, yet FW have released 30k rules for them.

I don't play 30k, so the answer may be the Apocalypse rules, yet the 30k ones are more recent, and as the general consensus seems to be to use the most recent rules, I'm stuck as to which ones are more appropriate.

Anyone have any suggestions?

While using 30k rules in 40k is sometimes done, there are 40k rules for the Imperial Titans in the Imperial Armour books. I don't know offhand which book holds the most recent version and if that is nore recent than the Apocalypse book.

Given how vastly different they are, I think the 30k ones should be left in the 30k game.

Use the 40k rules, especially as your opponents are already going to hate you for having a titan, one that is impossible to kill is taking the cake.

The current, most up to date rules for the Warhound and Reaver Titans are in the 30k Taghmata rulebook, which includes the Warlord Titan. For the most part, the only changes are to bring them in line with the current ruleset. The Warhound is functionally unchanged, while the Reaver has more weapon options.

SJ

it's the towering monstrosity rules in 30k that aren't there in 40k that make all the difference.

Can only be hit on 6's in assault, 5's if superheavy/gargantuan -immune to haywire, and cannot be locked in assault.

Trazer985 wrote:
it's the towering monstrosity rules in 30k that aren't there in 40k that make all the difference.

Can only be hit on 6's in assault, 5's if superheavy/gargantuan -immune to haywire, and cannot be locked in assault.

I think some also gain night vision rules too.
So they can easily target regardless of night fighting.

Trazer985 wrote:
it's the towering monstrosity rules in 30k that aren't there in 40k that make all the difference.

Can only be hit on 6's in assault, 5's if superheavy/gargantuan -immune to haywire, and cannot be locked in assault.

Except they are in 40K for the Eldar titan, aren't they?

You cannot ally 30k to 40k armies... So these rules only apply to 30k Titans.

In a mixed 30k/40k environment or apoc game, ask the TO

Don't the 30k rules say they can be taken in 40k games?

Correct, if taken in a 30k FOC...which does not allow allying or combining with a 40k FOC.

Easy peesy, just take one in a Knight army as LoW, all you need are two Knights .... like the Renegade box set.

SJ

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

Trazer985 wrote:
it's the towering monstrosity rules in 30k that aren't there in 40k that make all the difference.

Can only be hit on 6's in assault, 5's if superheavy/gargantuan -immune to haywire, and cannot be locked in assault.

Except they are in 40K for the Eldar titan, aren't they?

Yes, Eldar titans have the "Wraith Titan" special rule, which results in hitting on 6s or 5s for SHV/GMC.
Eldar titans do not have immunity to Haywire or Melta, generally lower armour (12/12/10 / 13/13/10) and Holo-Shields rather than Void Shields.

Shoe-horning in the 30k rules for the undercosted imperial Titans sounds like a TFG-idea to me.

 Stephanius wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

Trazer985 wrote:
it's the towering monstrosity rules in 30k that aren't there in 40k that make all the difference.

Can only be hit on 6's in assault, 5's if superheavy/gargantuan -immune to haywire, and cannot be locked in assault.

Except they are in 40K for the Eldar titan, aren't they?

Yes, Eldar titans have the "Wraith Titan" special rule, which results in hitting on 6s or 5s for SHV/GMC.
Eldar titans do not have immunity to Haywire or Melta, generally lower armour (12/12/10 / 13/13/10) and Holo-Shields rather than Void Shields.

Shoe-horning in the 30k rules for the undercosted imperial Titans sounds like a TFG-idea to me.

The 30k rules raised the cost of the Warhound and Warlord, while the Reaver stayed the same. At the moment, the Eldar Titans are still undercosted compared to Imperial Titans.

SJ

Thank you for correcting me!
I assumed that the point cost would be the same.
I'm really happy to hear about any attempt to correct point values!

The Warlord is killy, but for 2750+ points it should be!

Emperor Titan, 4000 points, go big or go home kid

I use whatever rules I like out of the ones I have at hand - any minor differences can be attributed to the quirks of whichever ForgeWorld or House built the thing.

As long as the rules are printed and consistent, field whatever you like.

One of my friends asked this question for me at the forge world booth at gencon. The answer he got from the forge world representative was 'uhhh... I don't know.'

The Ordinatus and Warlord specifically say to use the 30k version.

I would assume (hope!) that the next IA book - which is supposed to be Adeptus Mechanicus vs Tau - will include the updated Titan rules for 40k.