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Ouze wrote: At least we have moved past the BS "Petraeus did the same thing" argument into a fresh set of BS.
When they get to arguing that Colin Powell and Condi Rice should be in jail for keeping classified documents on their private email accounts, I might believe they care about equal treatment under the law. Once they take the fight to Bush and his senior advisors who ran al their emails through an RNC server, before deleting them, then there may be an argument that they care about public records.
But then, I can't say this because it's excusing Clinton because of the transgressions of others. But it's perfectly fine to excuse the transgressions of republicans because of what Clinton did. Because reasons.
1.) "let me know people care about when Condi and Powell received classified documents via email"
2.) "it's a conspiracy theory right?
3.) provide citation as requested
4.) Oh, you know what, I guess you were right 5.) "well, let me know when one of them built a homebrew server"
it was step 5, if that was an honest question.
lord_blackfang wrote: Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
1.) "let me know people care about when Condi and Powell received classified documents via email"
2.) "it's a conspiracy theory right?
3.) provide citation as requested
4.) Oh, you know what, I guess you were right 5.) "well, let me know when one of them built a homebrew server"
it was step 5, if that was an honest question.
Okay... if you want to call that moving goalpost, be my guest.
But, the previous poster alluded to 2 "disputed classified" communications forwarded to Powell AND emails sent to Rice's staff were some how comparable to Hillary Clinton's homebrew server that she AND her staff used exclusively during Clinton's tenure.
Furthermore, the god damned States Department was under a fething subpoena to release those informations, which they've delayed because they claimed to lack the manpower to abide by the judge's order... and yet, found time to look at the previous Secretary's actions.
But, let's go ahead and get the FBI involved... since there's no intent, everything kosher... amirite? That'll be the go to defense with everyone.
whembly wrote: since there's no intent, everything kosher... amirite? That'll be the go to defense with everyone.
No, that's not right, at all. Which has been explained several times, at least once just a single page ago, so I know that I'm the idiot, but I'll repeat: intent is what guides criminal charges. A lack of intent usually does not result in criminal charges, but could result in administrative actions. If you give a laptop full of classified email to a foreign national, you're probably going to get prosecuted. If you mishandle classified material out of negligence, you probably won't be criminally charged, but you could lose a clearance or face other administrative punishment.
Neither is ideal, obviously, but we're not electing Hillary Clinton to administer exchange servers, so the actual issue isn't really that proportionally significant.
whembly wrote: Okay... if you want to call that moving goalpost, be my guest.
I'm not "calling it goalpost moving". I'm telling you it's very nearly a textbook definition. An argument was made, the argument was rebutted, and it was counted with a different, new argument.
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lord_blackfang wrote: Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
I mean, the dude has just traded barbs with his own parody account. These are not the actions of shrewd operator.
If the operator's base wants to see him do exactly that, and the inevitable strategy is "not Hillary" with "Nobama" seasoning, it might not be a bad start.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
whembly wrote: since there's no intent, everything kosher... amirite? That'll be the go to defense with everyone.
No, that's not right, at all. Which has been explained several times, at least once just a single page ago, so I know that I'm the idiot, but I'll repeat: intent is what guides criminal charges. A lack of intent usually does not result in criminal charges, but could result in administrative actions. If you give a laptop full of classified email to a foreign national, you're probably going to get prosecuted. If you mishandle classified material out of negligence, you probably won't be criminally charged, but you could lose a clearance or face other administrative punishment.
Neither is ideal, obviously, but we're not electing Hillary Clinton to administer exchange servers, so the actual issue isn't really that proportionally significant.
At the very minimum, she and her staff should've gotten the Patreous treatment... probation and lose security clearance.
So, for all your cheerings that Clinton won't be indicted... just recognize that it's the FBI refusing to do so not because they didn't have enough evidence to go to trial... it's because Comey didn't want to tarnish the FBI's reputation for having a hand in affecting a presidential election.
whembly wrote: Okay... if you want to call that moving goalpost, be my guest.
I'm not "calling it goalpost moving". I'm telling you it's very nearly a textbook definition. An argument was made, the argument was rebutted, and it was counted with a different, new argument.
An argument was made that Powerll's and Rice's situation were comparable and I jumped in to refute. That's not goal post movement boyo.
1.) "let me know people care about when Condi and Powell received classified documents via email"
2.) "it's a conspiracy theory right?
3.) provide citation as requested
4.) Oh, you know what, I guess you were right 5.) "well, let me know when one of them built a homebrew server"
it was step 5, if that was an honest question.
Put them in jail too if it was illegal then. They are not however running to be El Presidente.
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-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Personally I don't see the email "thing" being a bar to being a presidential candidate, and the only reason it keeps coming up again and again and again is because supporters of Trump have absolutely feth all else.
Their candidate is such an utter fethwit that they'll grab any straw going, but trying to distract from the man's character and inherent flaws is like trying to cover an elephant sized gak with a handful of glitter.
With luck, this utter human joke will implode in a vortex of his own incompetence and hate.
"All their ferocity was turned outwards, against enemies of the State, foreigners, traitors, saboteurs, thought-criminals" - Orwell, 1984
Kilkrazy wrote: It is a basic principle of US law that to commit a crime requires intention.
No... not really.
Killkrazy, intent may factor in specific cases, i.e., intent to kill is required for a murder charge but manslaughter is also a crime and it specifically requires a lack of intent.
When you have many, many foreign nationals donating to the Clinton Foundation... a foundation mind you that's been accused of being a "slush fund" for the Clintons and her cronies, it isn't hard to see nefarious quid pro quo relationships.
And if those supposed "quid pro quo" relationships don't harm the US? Would you drop the the criticism?
BS. Real or public personae who demonstratively lies... should be labeled is a liar.
I said you shouldn't use the phrase "pathological liar", a term with a very specific, clinical meaning, regarding a person you have probably never met.
r_squared wrote: Personally I don't see the email "thing" being a bar to being a presidential candidate, and the only reason it keeps coming up again and again and again is because supporters of Trump have absolutely feth all else.
Their candidate is such an utter fethwit that they'll grab any straw going, but trying to distract from the man's character and inherent flaws is like trying to cover an elephant sized gak with a handful of glitter.
With luck, this utter human joke will implode in a vortex of his own incompetence and hate.
How did Libya, Syria, Iraq, the Russian reset, and TPP work out? She's an influence peddler of the highest order, back to her days in Arkansas.
But of course the Republicans nominated the one person she could beat so there's that.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
djones520 wrote: So I saw the first attacks against the Johnson ticket spreading across social media today. Seems he's starting to pick up steam.
Not that hard to attack him especially on vaccination stuff
Yeah, he's got some somewhat outlandish policies, but he's becoming a much more viable candidate for the Not-Trump camp.
We had a thread recently discussing freedoms vs safety, and libertarians are definitely on the extreme end of the spectrum in regards to freedom over safety.
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I particularly like the state owned banks and eliminating foreclosures and mortgages. Nothing says strong economy like 12th century England. Also demilitarizing US border crossings. Er...what??? Its likle this person never actually crossed the US border before and got their ideas from watching TV.
Also -ending the right to work. Love it. Now I have to join a union like the loser Yankee states that were controlled by Hoffa and his ilk.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Frazzled wrote: Jill Stein has also been making the rounds. One thing you can't say, is that they didn't list out their demands. It just goes on and on and on...
I particularly like the state owned banks and eliminating foreclosures and mortgages. Nothing says strong economy like 12th century England. Also demilitarizing US border crossings. Er...what??? Its likle this person never actually crossed the US border before and got their ideas from watching TV.
Also -ending the right to work. Love it. Now I have to join a union like the loser Yankee states that were controlled by Hoffa and his ilk.
Jill stien is an idiot, banning nuclear power when nearly 20 percent of our power comes from it and banning GMOs sending us back to the dark ages of farming where we were all starving
I can't think of a single candidate that hasnt endorsed equally stupid stancrs or ideas on *some* topic. Someone did a great stance breakdown of Trump, Clinton, Johnson and Stein on a huge number of isses, and every time I thought I'd like Johnson or Stein...there'd be one or two stances or policies they took that were pants on head ridiculous.
The bigger problem being that looking at Trump or Hillary was even worse overall
IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights! The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts.
'*End destructive energy extraction and associated infrastructure: fracking, tar sands, offshore drilling, oil trains, mountaintop removal, natural gas pipelines, and uranium mines. Halt any investment in fossil fuel infrastructure, including natural gas, and phase out all fossil fuel power plants. Phase out nuclear power and end nuclear subsidies. End all subsidies for fossil fuels and impose a greenhouse gas fee / tax to charge polluters for the damage they have created.
*Create living-wage jobs for every American who needs work, replacing unemployment offices with employment offices. Government would be the employer of last resort, and the unemployed would have an enforceable right to make government provide work. Create direct public employment, as the Works Progress Administration did, in public services and public works for those who can't find private employment.'
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
'End destructive energy extraction and associated infrastructure: fracking, tar sands, offshore drilling, oil trains, mountaintop removal, natural gas pipelines, and uranium mines. Halt any investment in fossil fuel infrastructure, including natural gas, and phase out all fossil fuel power plants. Phase out nuclear power and end nuclear subsidies. End all subsidies for fossil fuels and impose a greenhouse gas fee / tax to charge polluters for the damage they have created.
'
I just can't understand this level of idiocy. I just can't.
Yeah, I used to advocate that Americans give their throwaway protest vote to Stein and the Green Party, but it seems their party platform is just as moronic as the Libertarians.
America, Vote HRC. She is actually your least worst candidate.
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
Thorium based reactors would be great, but the only problem is that the nuclear power lobby is quashing it from getting done here. All the while china is researching the gak out of it and in 20-30 years will have tons of the reactors
Like I said: Goodbye USA, hello 12th century England.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
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