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 curran12 wrote:
You mean that 62+% unfavorable rating? That popularity?


The popularity that allowed him to maul 11 of the biggest names in the GOP during the primaries. That popularity.

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 NuggzTheNinja wrote:


Bringing migrants here from Syria would also be done "legally." The legality of it is irrelevant.

No amount of "come on dude"ing will convince me that these people are culturally compatible with Western ideals. Let them practice their religion on their own land. Let their Muslim brothers in the Gulf states take them in. I don't want them murdering homosexuals, stoning women to death, and practicing their legal system in the West. Trump's popularity is a direct consequence of the fact that many Americans hold the same opinion.


So you are conceding that "Hillary's plan for a million Muslims" was hyperbolic fear mongering.

Have you ever given pause to think about why exactly the Gulf states don't want these people?


I don't think you understand how the refugee system works.

edit: cleaned up quote derp

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 Vaktathi wrote:
 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
 feeder wrote:
 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
 feeder wrote:
 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Spoiler:
 feeder wrote:
 djones520 wrote:
 feeder wrote:
 whembly wrote:
Yup.

Ya'll feeling #TheJohnson yet?


I can't believe you think reckless emailing is on par or worse than a racist bigoted clownshoes; a dark-ages idolizing hippy; and paranoid delusional antivaxxer.


You do realize her uncharged criminal actions aside, there are other reasons people don't want to vote for her, right?

Such as her gun control policy. That's the complete antithesis to conservative policy.


Well, sure. That's why I qualified her as "least worst". Surely, making it more difficult to buy another AR-15 is trivial compared dismantling the IRS, or taking all the coal and nuclear reactors off-line, or deporting all the Muslims.

Like it or not, America's got to choose between those four, and HRC is objectively the least worst.


Hillary is problematic specifically because she will actually manage to get her legislation passed. Trump won't get his wall. Stein and Johnson won't get enough support from either side to pass any of their nuttier legislation. Hillary WILL get her 1 million Iraqi/Syrian immigrants during her first term.



Edit: I should apologize - I should have generally referred to Middle Eastern Muslims, rather than specifically to Iraqis and Syrians.



Politifact puts HRC's projected immigrant figures around 150,000. Not sure where you get the one million figure from.


They put the figure at 65k per year. A term is 4 years. This is IN ADDITION to the number of Middle East Muslims who are already entering the US permanently under green cards.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jun/13/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-hillary-clinton-wants-let-500-pe/


Recent estimates put the rate at around 100k/year since the 90s. http://www.pewforum.org/2013/05/17/the-religious-affiliation-of-us-immigrants/#muslim

I've read elsewhere that the 2014 figure is closer to 150k.

150k + 65k = 215k * 4 = 860k, or close to 1 million.


Come on, dude. "Hillary's plan for a million Muslims" is actually adding 55k to the 10k that are already coming in. The 100k that are coming in legally have been doing so for decades and will continue to do so, regardless of who sits in the White House.

"Hillary's plan" would add 55x4= 220k refugees to the US. Not 1 million.


Bringing migrants here from Syria would also be done "legally." The legality of it is irrelevant.

No amount of "come on dude"ing will convince me that these people are culturally compatible with Western ideals. Let them practice their religion on their own land. I don't want them murdering homosexuals, stoning women to death, and practicing their legal system in the West. Trump's popularity is a direct consequence of the fact that many Americans hold the same opinion.
So ah...do we have any evidence or data that these particular subsets of immigrants from Syria and Iraq are responsible for a disproportionatly large number of homosexual murders or stoning women to death or attempting to impose their religious laws on the legal system in the US...?





If we have a representative sample, then we have every reason to believe they will try to impose their religious laws here.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/22/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/


If Syrians are anything like Iraqis, then 91% want Shariah law. That includes stoning women and killing homosexuals - that's just Muslims being observant.

Do we have data on the particular subset? No - because nobody knows anything about them, or is capable of vetting them in any meaningful way. That alone should give you pause for concern.


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 feeder wrote:
 NuggzTheNinja wrote:


Bringing migrants here from Syria would also be done "legally." The legality of it is irrelevant.

No amount of "come on dude"ing will convince me that these people are culturally compatible with Western ideals. Let them practice their religion on their own land. Let their Muslim brothers in the Gulf states take them in. I don't want them murdering homosexuals, stoning women to death, and practicing their legal system in the West. Trump's popularity is a direct consequence of the fact that many Americans hold the same opinion.


So you are conceding that "Hillary's plan for a million Muslims" was hyperbolic fear mongering.

Have you ever given pause to think about why exactly the Gulf states don't want these people?


I don't think you understand how the refugee system works.

edit: cleaned up quote derp


Debating the merits/demerits of the refugee systems is one thing.

Keep in mind, that we are a sovereign country and are within our full rights to not participate in any refugee programs.

Frankly, the UN need to make itself useful and setup refugee camps imo.

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 feeder wrote:
 NuggzTheNinja wrote:


Bringing migrants here from Syria would also be done "legally." The legality of it is irrelevant.

No amount of "come on dude"ing will convince me that these people are culturally compatible with Western ideals. Let them practice their religion on their own land. Let their Muslim brothers in the Gulf states take them in. I don't want them murdering homosexuals, stoning women to death, and practicing their legal system in the West. Trump's popularity is a direct consequence of the fact that many Americans hold the same opinion.


So you are conceding that "Hillary's plan for a million Muslims" was hyperbolic fear mongering.

Have you ever given pause to think about why exactly the Gulf states don't want these people?


I don't think you understand how the refugee system works.

edit: cleaned up quote derp



Please explain to me how the Gulf State refugee system works, why they aren't taking them, and why it is OUR moral obligation to do so. Another meaningless reply like this will send you straight to the ignore list.


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Yeah, but the Obama plan works

Thats not what ,millions of underlempoyed and discouraged workers say. Oh and do we even make anything in this country any more?


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 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Trump's popularity is a direct consequence of the fact that many Americans hold the same opinion.


Yes, Lack of education and exposure to multiculturalism means people hate what is different and support repulsive ideologies that support their bigotry.


Lack of education? Lack of exposure to multiculturalism?

I've lived in multiple major US cities, been to over a dozen countries, am a combat veteran, and spent 3 years living in the Middle East. I have a PhD in a STEM field.

Insinuating that your opponents are stupid rednecks is very offensive. What are your qualifications?

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Spoiler:

Former CIA Officer Evan McMullin Launches Independent Presidential Bid

Evan McMullin, a former CIA counterterrorism officer, will run for president as a third-party conservative alternative to Donald Trump, he said today.

"With the stakes so high for our nation and at this late stage in the process, I can no longer stand on the sidelines," McMullin said in a statement. "Our country needs leaders who are in it for the right reasons and who actually understand what makes this country the greatest on earth. Leaders who will unite us and guide us to a prosperous, secure future, beyond the dysfunction of a broken political system."

He took aim at both major-party presidential nominees.

"Hillary Clinton is a corrupt career politician who has recklessly handled classified information in an attempt to avoid accountability and put American lives at risk including those of my former colleagues," he said of the Democrat. "She fails the basic tests of judgment and ethics any candidate for president must meet."

As for Donald Trump, he "appeals to the worst fears of Americans at a time we need unity, not division," McMullin said. "Republicans are deeply divided by a man who is perilously close to gaining the most powerful position in the world, and many rightly see him as a real threat to our Republic."

The operatives working on McMullin's bid resigned from Better for America in order to push his candidacy. Better for America, a 501(c)(4) organization that cannot officially endorse or back McMullin's bid, has been working for months on trying to select a candidate and get on ballots throughout the country. In some states, like Texas, they will likely have to sue to get on the ballot. A 501(c)(4) is an issue-based nonprofit that can raise unlimited funds and does not have to disclose its donors.

"Just as the American Revolution required men and women devoted to liberty and freedom to stand up and be counted, this moment calls a new generation to the same sacred task." McMullin said in the statement. "With that in mind, I have decided to pursue the cause of American renewal and the presidency of the United States of America."

It's an extreme uphill climb, but his supporters are confident McMullin, 40, can act as a disruptor who they hope can peel off some red states in a race where some Republicans are still resistant to Donald Trump.

McMullin’s candidacy, backed by some Republicans, shows how the “Never Trump” movement is still working to upend Trump even with less than three months left until the general election. McMullin may be a long shot, but will have a legitimate organization behind him.

McMullin, who resigned this morning as chief policy director of the House Republican Conference, was planning to incorporate an election committee today, get a bank account for it and start raising and spending money in a manner consistent with all applicable Federal Election Commission and Internal Revenue Service requirements, according to the operatives launching his campaign. They will then file FEC forms on Aug. 15 to officially file the candidacy, they said.

The group says prominent Republicans will back McMullin, who has some well-known GOP operatives working behind the effort, including Republican consultant Rick Wilson and Florida-based pollster and operative Joel Searby. Better for America has been funded in part by John Kingston, a Boston-based conservative donor who bundled for Mitt Romney.

McMullin was born in Provo, Utah, and earned a bachelor’s degree in international law and diplomacy from Brigham Young University and a master’s of business administration from The Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania.

McMullin served as a Mormon missionary in Brazil and volunteer refugee resettlement officer in Amman, Jordan, on behalf of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees. On Sept. 11, 2001, he was in training at CIA Headquarters in Langley, Virginia. He completed his training and volunteered for overseas service in the Middle East, North Africa and South Asia, spearheading counterterrorism and intelligence operations in some of the most dangerous nations, according to the group.

Once he left the CIA in 2011, McMullin went to work for Goldman Sachs in the San Francisco Bay Area and in 2013 became a senior adviser on national security issues for the House Committee on Foreign Affairs and later the chief policy director of the House Republican Conference.

The *only* state he has a chance to win is maybe Utah...

Plus, he won't be on the ballot for 20+ states as the deadline to get names on the ballot has past.

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 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
 Vaktathi wrote:
 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
 feeder wrote:
 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
 feeder wrote:
 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Spoiler:
 feeder wrote:
 djones520 wrote:
 feeder wrote:
 whembly wrote:
Yup.

Ya'll feeling #TheJohnson yet?


I can't believe you think reckless emailing is on par or worse than a racist bigoted clownshoes; a dark-ages idolizing hippy; and paranoid delusional antivaxxer.


You do realize her uncharged criminal actions aside, there are other reasons people don't want to vote for her, right?

Such as her gun control policy. That's the complete antithesis to conservative policy.


Well, sure. That's why I qualified her as "least worst". Surely, making it more difficult to buy another AR-15 is trivial compared dismantling the IRS, or taking all the coal and nuclear reactors off-line, or deporting all the Muslims.

Like it or not, America's got to choose between those four, and HRC is objectively the least worst.


Hillary is problematic specifically because she will actually manage to get her legislation passed. Trump won't get his wall. Stein and Johnson won't get enough support from either side to pass any of their nuttier legislation. Hillary WILL get her 1 million Iraqi/Syrian immigrants during her first term.



Edit: I should apologize - I should have generally referred to Middle Eastern Muslims, rather than specifically to Iraqis and Syrians.



Politifact puts HRC's projected immigrant figures around 150,000. Not sure where you get the one million figure from.


They put the figure at 65k per year. A term is 4 years. This is IN ADDITION to the number of Middle East Muslims who are already entering the US permanently under green cards.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jun/13/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-hillary-clinton-wants-let-500-pe/


Recent estimates put the rate at around 100k/year since the 90s. http://www.pewforum.org/2013/05/17/the-religious-affiliation-of-us-immigrants/#muslim

I've read elsewhere that the 2014 figure is closer to 150k.

150k + 65k = 215k * 4 = 860k, or close to 1 million.


Come on, dude. "Hillary's plan for a million Muslims" is actually adding 55k to the 10k that are already coming in. The 100k that are coming in legally have been doing so for decades and will continue to do so, regardless of who sits in the White House.

"Hillary's plan" would add 55x4= 220k refugees to the US. Not 1 million.


Bringing migrants here from Syria would also be done "legally." The legality of it is irrelevant.

No amount of "come on dude"ing will convince me that these people are culturally compatible with Western ideals. Let them practice their religion on their own land. I don't want them murdering homosexuals, stoning women to death, and practicing their legal system in the West. Trump's popularity is a direct consequence of the fact that many Americans hold the same opinion.
So ah...do we have any evidence or data that these particular subsets of immigrants from Syria and Iraq are responsible for a disproportionatly large number of homosexual murders or stoning women to death or attempting to impose their religious laws on the legal system in the US...?





If we have a representative sample, then we have every reason to believe they will try to impose their religious laws here.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/22/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/


If Syrians are anything like Iraqis, then 91% want Shariah law. That includes stoning women and killing homosexuals - that's just Muslims being observant.
And I'm sure if you conducted a survey of US christians youd find high support in many quarters for wanting "gods law", which, if followed literally, has the same penalty for homosexual activity as Islam, but relatively few would actually be on board with that. Why we assume all the Muslims would be on board is somewhat puzzling.

A vague question in a survey about "Sharia Law" without any real definition of what they think constitutes such (and is highly variable around the world) is hardly anything to get super hot and bothered by. Ultimately, we have laws here to separate religious practices from secular law, and these people would constitute a very tiny proportion of the US population even at the exaggerated immigration numbers.

Do we have data on the particular subset? No - because nobody knows anything about them, or is capable of vetting them in any meaningful way. That alone should give you pause for concern.

we've had large numbers of people working or stationed in that part if the world for decades now, with millions of people over the ladt 30 years interacting with each other. If they were all universally troglodytes incapable of cultural assimilation or moderation, that would probably be far more evident.


Honestly most of this sounds like you could go back in time and replace it with "Mexican", "Irish", "Italian", etc and find very similar arguments.

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 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
 feeder wrote:


Yes, Lack of education and exposure to multiculturalism means people hate what is different and support repulsive ideologies that support their bigotry.


Lack of education? Lack of exposure to multiculturalism?

I've lived in multiple major US cities, been to over a dozen countries, am a combat veteran, and spent 3 years living in the Middle East. I have a PhD in a STEM field.

Insinuating that your opponents are stupid rednecks is very offensive. What are your qualifications?


That you're still have bigoted opinions after education and 'experience' means that you just were stubborn and held onto your pre-existing beliefs. I'm guessing you hid from the other cultures when you lived there, not embraced them. And sorry, being a combat veteran means you're more likely to have only seen the dark side and thought that that applied to all of them.

Do a Venn diagram of xenophobes and you will find a high amount of overlap with less education and less exposure to other cultures.
   
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Awesome, so we are at the Hillary kills people and "Muslims are bad" argument stage. Certainly worth debating those views....

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 Frazzled wrote:
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Yeah, but the Obama plan works

Thats not what ,millions of underlempoyed and discouraged workers say. Oh and do we even make anything in this country any more?


Compare the economy of Kansas to that of New York Sorry, but Republican policies (The trickle down load and privatize everything) load of bull is what causes the economic problems. They, quite frankly, don't work.


How about the economy of Detroit to Atlanta? The US to China?

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 jmurph wrote:
Awesome, so we are at the Hillary kills people and "Muslims are bad" argument stage. Certainly worth debating those views....


Indeed. The only potentially true statement, "a million Muslim refugees" has been debunked as the scare tactics it is.

Thanks to you though, I just got the "Killary" epithet. What a zinger!

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Europe has been hit with a million Muslim refugees. Thats correct. The US? not hardly. However a million is a drop in the bucket to what we've taken in in total illegal immigrants and refugees.

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 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
 curran12 wrote:
You mean that 62+% unfavorable rating? That popularity?


The popularity that allowed him to maul 11 of the biggest names in the GOP during the primaries. That popularity.


Well, it helps that the number one biggest name in the GOP is Reagan and he's been dead for 12 years. As for the other 11, they are all so incompetent that an 11 year old polio survivor could run rings around them and come up with better policies if given a flipchart, assortment of coloured pencils and ten minutes.

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Related Paul Ryan's Primary Opponent Asks 'Why Do We Have Muslims in the Country?'

"Are you suggesting that we deport all of the Muslims in this country?" asked radio host Dan Proft.

"I'm suggesting we have a discussion about it, that's for sure," Nehlen replied.


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And thats why Ryan is ahead of him by like 66 points or some herculean number

Go on Townhall and you'll see the civil war between conservatives and Trumpsters in real time and unfiltered. Its eye opening.

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 djones520 wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
It is a basic principle of US law that to commit a crime requires intention.


No... not really.


Yes... yes really.

Check your law sources.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/mens_rea


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It is a basic principle of US law that to commit a crime requires intention.


I see you and raise Involuntary manslaughter.


That is a strict liability offence and an exception to the general rule. As a lawyer though, I am sure you support the contention that in Anglo-Saxon codes of law, mens rea is an important concept in defining criminal guilt for the majority of offences.


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 Frazzled wrote:
Oh and do we even make anything in this country any more?


We certainly don't make Trump's ties.

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Sad, isn't it? We've been sliding down that road for years now. But we have to do such things, or else the terrorists win. /sarcasm

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 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
 curran12 wrote:
You mean that 62+% unfavorable rating? That popularity?


The popularity that allowed him to maul 11 of the biggest names in the GOP during the primaries. That popularity.


Well certainly. That tells us he was popular with republican primary voters it does us nothing to tell us how popular he is with a more general audience. Just because one small group finds him to be very attractive, doesn't mean you can translate that to any general trend. I think in general the ardent trump supporters are pretty removed from mainstream thinking. For example trump had strong public Ku Klux Klan endorsements, they love the guy! However I wouldn't go and say that his popularity with the KKK means much more than he's popular with the kind of person who joins the KKK.

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 jmurph wrote:
Related Paul Ryan's Primary Opponent Asks 'Why Do We Have Muslims in the Country?'

"Are you suggesting that we deport all of the Muslims in this country?" asked radio host Dan Proft.

"I'm suggesting we have a discussion about it, that's for sure," Nehlen replied.


Well, if he loses to Ryan, he's shown he's clearly qualified for a job in the North Carolina legislature.


 
   
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 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
The popularity that allowed him to maul 11 of the biggest names in the GOP during the primaries. That popularity.


That has more to do with the state of the GOP, and the quality of the candidates they can field, than it does about Trump: a sad array of losers, has-beens and never-was's. Doctor Stupid! CEO Fail! Governor Goodhair! Fats Bridgetroll! It's like a lineup of D-list Squirrel Girl villains.


Still, say what you will about Trump, he is bringing some bipartisan consensus back to US politics.


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Frankly, the UN need to make itself useful and setup refugee camps imo.


They already exist. They're being bombed.

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 Ouze wrote:
 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
The popularity that allowed him to maul 11 of the biggest names in the GOP during the primaries. That popularity.


That has more to do with the state of the GOP, and the quality of the candidates they can field, than it does about Trump: a sad array of losers, has-beens and never-was's. Doctor Stupid! CEO Fail! Governor Goodhair! Fats Bridgetroll! It's like a lineup of D-list Squirrel Girl villains.


Still, say what you will about Trump, he is bringing some bipartisan consensus back to US politics.



And another republican Senator has joined the Never Trump movement: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/290809-susan-collins-i-cant-support-trump-for-president?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

I have to admit to only having a moderate knowledge of US political history, but has there ever been a presidential nominee for a major party that has been so thoroughly rebuked by his own party in modern history?
   
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 Frazzled wrote:
Oh and do we even make anything in this country any more?


Sure, lots of things. But being a part of the manufacturing process usually requires a particular set of skills. Skills the "Do we make anything?" people often do not possess.

Though what amuses me the most is that a lot of these people lack the ability to adapt, and want everyone else to adapt to them.


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 dogma wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
Oh and do we even make anything in this country any more?


Sure, lots of things.


Just a quick Google:

Manufacturers bringing the most jobs back to America

However, according to the group, the country added roughly as many jobs due to foreign investment and reshoring as it lost to offshoring last year. Some of the largest U.S.-based companies, likely for both public relations and practical reasons, have begun building factories domestically for operations that would likely have gone overseas a few years ago


The U.S. Will Surpass China As The No. 1 Country for Manufacturing by 2020

On Thursday, professional services firm Deloitte teamed up with the Council on Competitiveness to release its 2016 Global Manufacturing Competitiveness Index, showing that the United States is the second most competitive manufacturing economy after china. What's more, global manufacturing executives predict that by 2020, the United States will be the most competitive manufacturing economy in the world.



Top 20 Facts About Manufacturing

There are currently 12.3 million manufacturing workers in the United States, accounting for 9 percent of the workforce. Since the end of the Great Recession, manufacturers have hired more than 800,000 workers.

Over the next decade, nearly 3½ million manufacturing jobs will likely be needed, and 2 million are expected to go unfilled due to the skills gap. Moreover, according to a recent report, 80 percent of manufacturers report a moderate or serious shortage of qualified applicants for skilled and highly-skilled production positions.

Over the past 25 years, U.S.-manufactured goods exports have quadrupled. In 1990, for example, U.S. manufacturers exported $329.5 billion in goods. By 2000, that number had more than doubled to $708.0 billion. In 2014, it reached an all-time high, for the fifth consecutive year, of $1.403 trillion, despite slowing global growth. With that said, a number of economic headwinds have dampened export demand since then, with U.S.-manufactured goods exports down 6.1 percent in 2015 to $1.317 trillion

( For the anti-free traders:)
Nearly half of all manufactured goods exports went to nations that the U.S. has free trade agreements (FTAs) with. In 2015, manufacturers in the U.S. exported $634.6 billion in goods to FTA countries, or 48.2 percent of the total.



   
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Okay, this from a right-wing website but it's pretty funny.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/ecuador-govt-serious-pressure-censor-assange-dnc-leaks-criticism-hillary/

ECUADOR PRESSURED to Censor Julian Assange After DNC Leaks and Criticism of Hillary Clinton

ElComercio wrote: It happens that the author of the mess is none other than the person to whom Ecuador has granted asylum and protection for more than four years. I was the first to say that Assange has, like all human beings, inalienable rights that must be respected. However, an asylee also has obligations can not ignore. should not “perform acts that disturb the public peace or tend to participate or influence political activities” and also must respect and not harm their acts to the country that decided asilarlo.

Unfortunately, Ecuador has not set any limit to the conduct of Assange and allowed to violate his refugee status and who seek asylum taunt. His latest interference in US policy could have consequences worldwide, of which Ecuador, Assange protector, will not leave unscathed. If London has refused to closer ties with Ecuador, because of Assange, Washington is expected to react in the same way. And the United States is our best commercial customer! I said that, once granted asylum, Ecuador is bound to keep. However, given the gruesome performances Assange undoubtedly violate his refugee status should be considered whether its conduct, taken to the extreme, it is a good reason for Ecuador to end such asylum.

Guess we know who El Comercio supports in this election.

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 NuggzTheNinja wrote:


Please explain to me how the Gulf State refugee system works, why they aren't taking them, and why it is OUR moral obligation to do so. Another meaningless reply like this will send you straight to the ignore list.


Isn't america supposed to be a christian nation, isn't helping those less fortunate a moral obligation?

Then there's the statue of liberty making a promise to the world,
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore."

#teardownthestatue

How can anyone claim to be a first world country when they keep comparing themselves and aspiring to be a 3rd world country?

It's not surprising that you don't want muslim refugees, when you don't even want more christians in your country. The nation founded on christian values wants to build a huge wall to keep christians out. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

 
   
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sirlynchmob wrote:
 NuggzTheNinja wrote:


Please explain to me how the Gulf State refugee system works, why they aren't taking them, and why it is OUR moral obligation to do so. Another meaningless reply like this will send you straight to the ignore list.


Isn't america supposed to be a christian nation, isn't helping those less fortunate a moral obligation?

Then there's the statue of liberty making a promise to the world,
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore."

#teardownthestatue

How can anyone claim to be a first world country when they keep comparing themselves and aspiring to be a 3rd world country?

It's not surprising that you don't want muslim refugees, when you don't even want more christians in your country. The nation founded on christian values wants to build a huge wall to keep christians out. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.


We are supposed to be secular but don't let the Christian right know that they will cry that the 70 percent of Americans who are Christian are being oppressed

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