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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/09 18:07:57
Subject: US Politics
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Vaktathi wrote: Frazzled wrote:He's a Taliban supporter and father of a mass killer. He's worse thatn David Duke, who is also a nobody and who's greatest claim to fame has been on Geraldo. He didn't raise a murderer.
So when are you going to ask her to disavow a Taliban supporter? After all it fits with her campaign/Obama administration of freeing Gitmo detainees.
Ostensibly when the father decides to try and run for public office as a Democrat the way David Duke is running for public office as a Republican.
Every time somebody raises a ruckus over who's endorsing a given political candidate I am reminded of Reagan's response when he was criticized for being endorsed by the John Birch Society, "I'm not endorsing them, they're endorsing me. I have nothing to do with them." I hold politicians, and people in general, responsible for words they choose to say and the actions they choose to take. It's ridiculously silly and illogical to hold a politician accountable for the beliefs and actions of every person/group that endorses them. Politicians don't control who endorses them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/09 18:08:11
Subject: US Politics
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Vaktathi wrote: Frazzled wrote:He's a Taliban supporter and father of a mass killer. He's worse thatn David Duke, who is also a nobody and who's greatest claim to fame has been on Geraldo. He didn't raise a murderer.
So when are you going to ask her to disavow a Taliban supporter? After all it fits with her campaign/Obama administration of freeing Gitmo detainees.
Ostensibly when the father decides to try and run for public office as a Democrat the way David Duke is running for public office as a Republican.
Don't forget he also has to mention that he is running for office because Clinton and her supporters are enteusiastic for his cause
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/09 18:11:23
Subject: US Politics
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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skyth wrote:Are you SERIOUSLY arguing that they are in ANY way comparable?!?!?!? Are you so slaved to the idea that Clinton is evil that you have to dishonestly make stuff like this up? 1. I don't think Clinton is evil. I just am not voting for her. Thats your statement, not mine. 2. Its not dishonest. A Taliban supporter and father of a mass murderer has pledged his support. I am just looking to see if she is going to disavow it, just as Trump was asked to disavow Duke (which he did). They are both supporters of evil. Evidently Clinton gets a pass. yep, no mdeia bias. Here's where I would normally say that if you called me dishonest to my face you'd not live to see the end of the day, but hey I'm just a mellow dude and will only respond with Automatically Appended Next Post: Prestor Jon wrote: Vaktathi wrote: Frazzled wrote:He's a Taliban supporter and father of a mass killer. He's worse thatn David Duke, who is also a nobody and who's greatest claim to fame has been on Geraldo. He didn't raise a murderer. So when are you going to ask her to disavow a Taliban supporter? After all it fits with her campaign/Obama administration of freeing Gitmo detainees.
Ostensibly when the father decides to try and run for public office as a Democrat the way David Duke is running for public office as a Republican. Every time somebody raises a ruckus over who's endorsing a given political candidate I am reminded of Reagan's response when he was criticized for being endorsed by the John Birch Society, "I'm not endorsing them, they're endorsing me. I have nothing to do with them." I hold politicians, and people in general, responsible for words they choose to say and the actions they choose to take. It's ridiculously silly and illogical to hold a politician accountable for the beliefs and actions of every person/group that endorses them. Politicians don't control who endorses them. Agreed. Unless its the National Association of Cat Lovers in which case, sorry but you're going against the wall when the revolution comes.
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/09 18:12:57
Subject: US Politics
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But guys, the dad of a terrible guy who has questionable beliefs himself WAS IN ATTENDANCE AT A CLINTON RALLY! Short of really specific repudiation, she is totally endorsing terrorism!
Plus it's not like Trump has a history of some questionable statements directly dealing with Duke, an open white supremacist. But I don't know why you would need to leap to Duke- Trump has been pretty clear on his feelings towards various groups.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/09 18:16:41
Subject: US Politics
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Thats why I am not voting for him either (ok thats #127 on why I am not voting for him. #126 is "its a cold day in hell before I ever vote for a Yankee").
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/09 18:25:19
Subject: US Politics
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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She does take money from Saudi Arabia, the country that exports wahhabism and Salafism around the world and has direct connections to Islamic terrorist groups around the globe and the 9/11 attacks. Of course KSA is our "ally" so I guess that doesn't matter.
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Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/09 18:29:05
Subject: US Politics
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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One thought that has been going through my mind is that, of the two parties, one of the parties has a vested interest in making sure that government doesn't work. Thet base a good portion of their campaigning on this 'fact'.
Why would you want to put someone in charge of something when they have great incentives to make it screw up horribly? Automatically Appended Next Post: Prestor Jon wrote:
She does take money from Saudi Arabia, the country that exports wahhabism and Salafism around the world and has direct connections to Islamic terrorist groups around the globe and the 9/11 attacks. Of course KSA is our "ally" so I guess that doesn't matter.
I'd say taking money from and supporting China like Trump has is worse...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/09 18:31:07
Subject: US Politics
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Prestor Jon wrote:
She does take money from Saudi Arabia, the country that exports wahhabism and Salafism around the world and has direct connections to Islamic terrorist groups around the globe and the 9/11 attacks. Of course KSA is our "ally" so I guess that doesn't matter.
And Trump probably takes money from Russia
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/09 18:34:04
Subject: US Politics
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Frazzled wrote:Thats why I am not voting for him either (ok thats #127 on why I am not voting for him. #126 is "its a cold day in hell before I ever vote for a Yankee").
Shoot, that means no Johnson for you. He's from North Dakota.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/09 18:34:24
Subject: US Politics
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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skyth wrote:One thought that has been going through my mind is that, of the two parties, one of the parties has a vested interest in making sure that government doesn't work. Thet base a good portion of their campaigning on this 'fact'.
Why would you want to put someone in charge of something when they have great incentives to make it screw up horribly?
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She does take money from Saudi Arabia, the country that exports wahhabism and Salafism around the world and has direct connections to Islamic terrorist groups around the globe and the 9/11 attacks. Of course KSA is our "ally" so I guess that doesn't matter.
I'd say taking money from and supporting China like Trump has is worse...
I would say that Trump is more deeply connected to China than Clinton is to KSA but KSA is far more involved with supporting terrorism and terrorist groups that are actively murdering Americans and our allies. China isn't supporting people trying to kill us and our economic ties with China give China a lot of incentive to maintain the status quo.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/09 18:37:56
Subject: US Politics
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Building a blood in water scent
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I'll bet things are going to get very messy in the KSA soon as they have the similar "0.05% Billionaires, everyone else literal slaves" population thing going on that Russia had back in 1917.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/09 18:40:01
Subject: US Politics
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Ustrello wrote:Prestor Jon wrote:
She does take money from Saudi Arabia, the country that exports wahhabism and Salafism around the world and has direct connections to Islamic terrorist groups around the globe and the 9/11 attacks. Of course KSA is our "ally" so I guess that doesn't matter.
And Trump probably takes money from Russia
So does the NBA and UEFA. Russia isn't funding the spread of Islamic terrorism or actively aiding and abetting terrorists' plots to kill Americans.
I don't understand the reasoning behind your whataboutism. I haven't said a single positive thing about Trump anywhere in this forum ever and I'm not going to be voting for him. The fact that Trump is a horrible candidate doesn't do anything to diminish the very real danger of our country continuing to elect presidents who embrace a close relationship with KSA, the state that does the most to export Islamic terrorism and fundamentalism, while simultaneously championing our ongoing War on Terror that is ostensibly being waged for the primary purpose of eliminating the threat of Islamic terrorism.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/09 18:40:35
Subject: US Politics
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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feeder wrote: Frazzled wrote:Thats why I am not voting for him either (ok thats #127 on why I am not voting for him. #126 is "its a cold day in hell before I ever vote for a Yankee").
Shoot, that means no Johnson for you. He's from North Dakota. 
Dakota didn't exist during the war so that is not a correct statement. Automatically Appended Next Post: feeder wrote:I'll bet things are going to get very messy in the KSA soon as they have the similar "0.05% Billionaires, everyone else literal slaves" population thing going on that Russia had back in 1917.
Thats how it is now. You're in the family or you're not, literally.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/09 18:46:15
Subject: US Politics
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Building a blood in water scent
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Frazzled wrote: feeder wrote: Frazzled wrote:Thats why I am not voting for him either (ok thats #127 on why I am not voting for him. #126 is "its a cold day in hell before I ever vote for a Yankee").
Shoot, that means no Johnson for you. He's from North Dakota. 
Dakota didn't exist during the war so that is not a correct statement.
The Dakota Territory raised forces and fought on the side of the Union.
The state shares a border with the Promised Land (AKA the Great White North AKA the True North Strong and Free AKA America's Hat)
They're Damn Yankees, cousin.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/09 18:48:58
Subject: US Politics
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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No, they may be Yankees but DamnYankees is referred to the Northeast corridor. Get it right snowboots!
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/09 18:49:50
Subject: US Politics
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Prestor Jon wrote: Ustrello wrote:Prestor Jon wrote:
She does take money from Saudi Arabia, the country that exports wahhabism and Salafism around the world and has direct connections to Islamic terrorist groups around the globe and the 9/11 attacks. Of course KSA is our "ally" so I guess that doesn't matter.
And Trump probably takes money from Russia
So does the NBA and UEFA. Russia isn't funding the spread of Islamic terrorism or actively aiding and abetting terrorists' plots to kill Americans.
I don't understand the reasoning behind your whataboutism. I haven't said a single positive thing about Trump anywhere in this forum ever and I'm not going to be voting for him. The fact that Trump is a horrible candidate doesn't do anything to diminish the very real danger of our country continuing to elect presidents who embrace a close relationship with KSA, the state that does the most to export Islamic terrorism and fundamentalism, while simultaneously championing our ongoing War on Terror that is ostensibly being waged for the primary purpose of eliminating the threat of Islamic terrorism.
But are the same exact people that are intentionally supporting terrorism donating to the Clinton campaign?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/09 18:50:01
Subject: US Politics
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Frazzled wrote:He's a Taliban supporter and father of a mass killer. He's worse thatn David Duke, who is also a nobody and who's greatest claim to fame has been on Geraldo. He didn't raise a murderer.
So when are you going to ask her to disavow a Taliban supporter? After all it fits with her campaign/Obama administration of freeing Gitmo detainees.
Wow.
If you can't differentiate between these two scenarios, you are in real psychological trouble.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/09 18:55:16
Subject: US Politics
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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skyth wrote:Prestor Jon wrote: Ustrello wrote:Prestor Jon wrote:
She does take money from Saudi Arabia, the country that exports wahhabism and Salafism around the world and has direct connections to Islamic terrorist groups around the globe and the 9/11 attacks. Of course KSA is our "ally" so I guess that doesn't matter.
And Trump probably takes money from Russia
So does the NBA and UEFA. Russia isn't funding the spread of Islamic terrorism or actively aiding and abetting terrorists' plots to kill Americans.
I don't understand the reasoning behind your whataboutism. I haven't said a single positive thing about Trump anywhere in this forum ever and I'm not going to be voting for him. The fact that Trump is a horrible candidate doesn't do anything to diminish the very real danger of our country continuing to elect presidents who embrace a close relationship with KSA, the state that does the most to export Islamic terrorism and fundamentalism, while simultaneously championing our ongoing War on Terror that is ostensibly being waged for the primary purpose of eliminating the threat of Islamic terrorism.
But are the same exact people that are intentionally supporting terrorism donating to the Clinton campaign?
The House of Saud, yes they Clintons have taken money from them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/09 18:55:48
Subject: US Politics
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Its interesting that the Clinton supporters seem to be throwing insults with great promiscuity.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/09 18:56:33
Subject: US Politics
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Frazzled wrote:No, they may be Yankees but DamnYankees is referred to the Northeast corridor. Get it right snowboots!
Actually the Damn Yankees are from Los Angeles.
But you're right, of course. We sometimes forget where all the loose change in our pants is, exactly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/09 18:57:38
Subject: US Politics
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Prestor Jon wrote: Vaktathi wrote: Frazzled wrote:He's a Taliban supporter and father of a mass killer. He's worse thatn David Duke, who is also a nobody and who's greatest claim to fame has been on Geraldo. He didn't raise a murderer.
So when are you going to ask her to disavow a Taliban supporter? After all it fits with her campaign/Obama administration of freeing Gitmo detainees.
Ostensibly when the father decides to try and run for public office as a Democrat the way David Duke is running for public office as a Republican.
Every time somebody raises a ruckus over who's endorsing a given political candidate I am reminded of Reagan's response when he was criticized for being endorsed by the John Birch Society, "I'm not endorsing them, they're endorsing me. I have nothing to do with them." I hold politicians, and people in general, responsible for words they choose to say and the actions they choose to take. It's ridiculously silly and illogical to hold a politician accountable for the beliefs and actions of every person/group that endorses them. Politicians don't control who endorses them.
In many ways I would agree, however it is also fair to note a difference when one individual is actively running for office in the same party and the other person is not.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/09 19:03:49
Subject: US Politics
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Prestor Jon wrote: skyth wrote:Prestor Jon wrote: Ustrello wrote:Prestor Jon wrote:
She does take money from Saudi Arabia, the country that exports wahhabism and Salafism around the world and has direct connections to Islamic terrorist groups around the globe and the 9/11 attacks. Of course KSA is our "ally" so I guess that doesn't matter.
And Trump probably takes money from Russia
So does the NBA and UEFA. Russia isn't funding the spread of Islamic terrorism or actively aiding and abetting terrorists' plots to kill Americans.
I don't understand the reasoning behind your whataboutism. I haven't said a single positive thing about Trump anywhere in this forum ever and I'm not going to be voting for him. The fact that Trump is a horrible candidate doesn't do anything to diminish the very real danger of our country continuing to elect presidents who embrace a close relationship with KSA, the state that does the most to export Islamic terrorism and fundamentalism, while simultaneously championing our ongoing War on Terror that is ostensibly being waged for the primary purpose of eliminating the threat of Islamic terrorism.
But are the same exact people that are intentionally supporting terrorism donating to the Clinton campaign?
The House of Saud, yes they Clintons have taken money from them.
So, no...not the same person. People belonging to the same group, pehaps.
And there is a difference between donating money with the intention that it be used for terrorist acts and following the social convention of dobating to the local church and some of that money making it's way to terrorist organizations.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/09 19:08:50
Subject: US Politics
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Vaktathi wrote:Prestor Jon wrote: Vaktathi wrote: Frazzled wrote:He's a Taliban supporter and father of a mass killer. He's worse thatn David Duke, who is also a nobody and who's greatest claim to fame has been on Geraldo. He didn't raise a murderer.
So when are you going to ask her to disavow a Taliban supporter? After all it fits with her campaign/Obama administration of freeing Gitmo detainees.
Ostensibly when the father decides to try and run for public office as a Democrat the way David Duke is running for public office as a Republican.
Every time somebody raises a ruckus over who's endorsing a given political candidate I am reminded of Reagan's response when he was criticized for being endorsed by the John Birch Society, "I'm not endorsing them, they're endorsing me. I have nothing to do with them." I hold politicians, and people in general, responsible for words they choose to say and the actions they choose to take. It's ridiculously silly and illogical to hold a politician accountable for the beliefs and actions of every person/group that endorses them. Politicians don't control who endorses them.
In many ways I would agree, however it is also fair to note a difference when one individual is actively running for office in the same party and the other person is not.
How so? There are a lot of Republican candidates running for office this year that haven't endorsed Trump and that Trump hasn't endorsed. That's one of the problems with Trump's candidacy, he really isn't doing much of anything to help down ballot Republican candidates, he doesn't make appearances with candidates, endorse them or even speak highly of them unless they've already endorsed Trump. Some down ballot candidates have endorsed Trump, some have made a point not to endorse Trump. I don't see why it's logical to ascribe David Duke's belief's to Trump if Duke endorses Trump and is himself running for office if it's not logical to ascribe those beliefs to Trump if Duke wasn't running. A person should use Trump's own words and deeds to determine if he/she believes Trump is racist, not the words and deeds of other people who declare an endorsement for Trump. Automatically Appended Next Post: skyth wrote:Prestor Jon wrote: skyth wrote:Prestor Jon wrote: Ustrello wrote:Prestor Jon wrote:
She does take money from Saudi Arabia, the country that exports wahhabism and Salafism around the world and has direct connections to Islamic terrorist groups around the globe and the 9/11 attacks. Of course KSA is our "ally" so I guess that doesn't matter.
And Trump probably takes money from Russia
So does the NBA and UEFA. Russia isn't funding the spread of Islamic terrorism or actively aiding and abetting terrorists' plots to kill Americans.
I don't understand the reasoning behind your whataboutism. I haven't said a single positive thing about Trump anywhere in this forum ever and I'm not going to be voting for him. The fact that Trump is a horrible candidate doesn't do anything to diminish the very real danger of our country continuing to elect presidents who embrace a close relationship with KSA, the state that does the most to export Islamic terrorism and fundamentalism, while simultaneously championing our ongoing War on Terror that is ostensibly being waged for the primary purpose of eliminating the threat of Islamic terrorism.
But are the same exact people that are intentionally supporting terrorism donating to the Clinton campaign?
The House of Saud, yes they Clintons have taken money from them.
So, no...not the same person. People belonging to the same group, pehaps.
And there is a difference between donating money with the intention that it be used for terrorist acts and following the social convention of dobating to the local church and some of that money making it's way to terrorist organizations.
No the same people. The Saudi Royal Family, the House of Saud, the government, the people who fulfill their religious obligation to support Wahhabism and Salafism by exporting it around the world and building madrassas and supporting fundamentalism clerics who mentor terrorist leaders also gave money to the Clintons. That's a fact.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/09 19:21:50
Subject: US Politics
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So the money isn't intended to support terrorism.
This seems to be a bit of a red herring and a bit of a dishonest argument.
And you keep on saying 'give money to the Clintons'. This could mean several things, including donating to the Clinton Foundation with the intent of supporting their charitable works and having nothing to do with the Clintons themselves or supporting the Presidential campaign.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/09 19:22:46
Subject: Re:US Politics
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37025198
The parents of two Americans killed in a 2012 attack in the Libyan city of Benghazi have sued Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.
Patricia Smith and Charles Woods, parents of Sean Smith and Tyrone Woods, filed a lawsuit against Mrs Clinton for wrongful death and defamation.
The suit claims the former secretary of state's use of a private email server contributed to their sons' death.
The parents also accuse her of defaming them in statements to the media.
Islamic militants attacked a US diplomatic compound in 2012 and killed four Americans, including ambassador Chris Stevens, while Mrs Clinton was secretary of state.
Though a House Republicans committee cleared Mrs Clinton of any wrongdoing earlier this year, the issue has dogged her presidential campaign.
The suit was filed on behalf of the parents by the conservative group Freedom Watch.
The parents, who have both spoken out against Mrs Clinton, argue her "'extreme carelessness' in handling confidential and classified information" on her private server may have revealed the location of State Department employees in Libya.
Those details, the suit argued, could have been obtained by "hostile adversaries" who may have hacked her server and ultimately led to their sons's deaths.
FBI director James Comey announced last month that it was "possible that hostile actors gained access" to Mrs Clinton's email server, but added the agency did not find conclusive evidence that it was hacked.
Chris Stevens, the sister of ambassador Stevens, told The New Yorker earlier this year that she did not blame Mrs Clinton, saying it was "inappropriate" to make the Benghazi attacks as a political issue.
"The Benghazi Mission was understaffed. We know that now. But, again, Chris knew that," she said. "It is not something they did to him. It is something he took on himself."
The suit also claims Mrs Clinton made "false and defamatory statements negligently, recklessly and purposefully and/or intentionally with malice" in public statements.
The parents said Mrs Clinton blamed the attack on a controversial YouTube video mocking the Islamic prophet Muhammad, but later denied making those statements.
Nick Merrill, a Clinton campaign spokesman, said in response to the suit: "While no one can imagine the pain of the families of the brave Americans we lost at Benghazi, there have been nine different investigations into this attack and none found any evidence whatsoever of any wrongdoing on the part of Hillary Clinton."
getting a wee bit desperate now then eh ?
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.. they've seen her birth certificate before right ?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/09 19:25:03
Subject: US Politics
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Prestor Jon wrote: Vaktathi wrote:Prestor Jon wrote: Vaktathi wrote: Frazzled wrote:He's a Taliban supporter and father of a mass killer. He's worse thatn David Duke, who is also a nobody and who's greatest claim to fame has been on Geraldo. He didn't raise a murderer.
So when are you going to ask her to disavow a Taliban supporter? After all it fits with her campaign/Obama administration of freeing Gitmo detainees.
Ostensibly when the father decides to try and run for public office as a Democrat the way David Duke is running for public office as a Republican.
Every time somebody raises a ruckus over who's endorsing a given political candidate I am reminded of Reagan's response when he was criticized for being endorsed by the John Birch Society, "I'm not endorsing them, they're endorsing me. I have nothing to do with them." I hold politicians, and people in general, responsible for words they choose to say and the actions they choose to take. It's ridiculously silly and illogical to hold a politician accountable for the beliefs and actions of every person/group that endorses them. Politicians don't control who endorses them.
In many ways I would agree, however it is also fair to note a difference when one individual is actively running for office in the same party and the other person is not.
How so? There are a lot of Republican candidates running for office this year that haven't endorsed Trump and that Trump hasn't endorsed. That's one of the problems with Trump's candidacy, he really isn't doing much of anything to help down ballot Republican candidates, he doesn't make appearances with candidates, endorse them or even speak highly of them unless they've already endorsed Trump. Some down ballot candidates have endorsed Trump, some have made a point not to endorse Trump. I don't see why it's logical to ascribe David Duke's belief's to Trump if Duke endorses Trump and is himself running for office if it's not logical to ascribe those beliefs to Trump if Duke wasn't running. A person should use Trump's own words and deeds to determine if he/she believes Trump is racist, not the words and deeds of other people who declare an endorsement for Trump.
Again, in some ways I agree, however running for office means something, as does the banner under which a candidate runs. When candidates run under the same banner, the same party, its assumed they share a great many views and stances because that is, by definition, what a political party is for. Reagan's response to the Birch society thing is different, the Birch society is not an explicit arm of the Republican party. Likewise, as the presidential candidate for the Republican Party, Trump is in a leadership position for that party and if he wins the election will be the head honcho of that party, and as such other candidates of that party have dramatically more relevance than some backwards dude who isnt running for office with a crazy dead son has to the other party.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/09 19:25:32
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Frazzled wrote:
Here's where I would normally say that if you called me dishonest to my face you'd not live to see the end of the day,
In the long and disreputable list of terrible statements in the US politics threads, this must surely be the most pathetic.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/09 19:33:57
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Vaktathi wrote:Prestor Jon wrote: Vaktathi wrote:Prestor Jon wrote: Vaktathi wrote: Frazzled wrote:He's a Taliban supporter and father of a mass killer. He's worse thatn David Duke, who is also a nobody and who's greatest claim to fame has been on Geraldo. He didn't raise a murderer.
So when are you going to ask her to disavow a Taliban supporter? After all it fits with her campaign/Obama administration of freeing Gitmo detainees.
Ostensibly when the father decides to try and run for public office as a Democrat the way David Duke is running for public office as a Republican.
Every time somebody raises a ruckus over who's endorsing a given political candidate I am reminded of Reagan's response when he was criticized for being endorsed by the John Birch Society, "I'm not endorsing them, they're endorsing me. I have nothing to do with them." I hold politicians, and people in general, responsible for words they choose to say and the actions they choose to take. It's ridiculously silly and illogical to hold a politician accountable for the beliefs and actions of every person/group that endorses them. Politicians don't control who endorses them.
In many ways I would agree, however it is also fair to note a difference when one individual is actively running for office in the same party and the other person is not.
How so? There are a lot of Republican candidates running for office this year that haven't endorsed Trump and that Trump hasn't endorsed. That's one of the problems with Trump's candidacy, he really isn't doing much of anything to help down ballot Republican candidates, he doesn't make appearances with candidates, endorse them or even speak highly of them unless they've already endorsed Trump. Some down ballot candidates have endorsed Trump, some have made a point not to endorse Trump. I don't see why it's logical to ascribe David Duke's belief's to Trump if Duke endorses Trump and is himself running for office if it's not logical to ascribe those beliefs to Trump if Duke wasn't running. A person should use Trump's own words and deeds to determine if he/she believes Trump is racist, not the words and deeds of other people who declare an endorsement for Trump.
Again, in some ways I agree, however running for office means something, as does the banner under which a candidate runs. When candidates run under the same banner, the same party, its assumed they share a great many views and stances because that is, by definition, what a political party is for. Reagan's response to the Birch society thing is different, the Birch society is not an explicit arm of the Republican party. Likewise, as the presidential candidate for the Republican Party, Trump is in a leadership position for that party and if he wins the election will be the head honcho of that party, and as such other candidates of that party have dramatically more relevance than some backwards dude who isnt running for office with a crazy dead son has to the other party.
I think it's a been a long while since there's been consistent stances on issues for all Party candidates regardless of geography, if that was ever true. It's not like Ted Cruz, Chris Christie, John McCain, Newt Gingrich and Michael Bloomberg all have the same positions and they're all held office as Republicans. In theory, yes, there should be some ideological consistency throughout the Party but in reality the Party just wants winners and will sacrifice a lot of ideology in order to win elections at the local, state and federal levels.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/09 19:36:32
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Henry wrote: Frazzled wrote: Here's where I would normally say that if you called me dishonest to my face you'd not live to see the end of the day,
In the long and disreputable list of terrible statements in the US politics threads, this must surely be the most pathetic. I'll restate the part of the sentence you excluded. I think it's a been a long while since there's been consistent stances on issues for all Party candidates regardless of geography, if that was ever true. It's not like Ted Cruz, Chris Christie, John McCain, Newt Gingrich and Michael Bloomberg all have the same positions and they're all held office as Republicans. Bloomberg isn't a Republican, and Ted Cruz is...Dracula's illegitimate love child.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/09 19:48:47
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I agree with you that Bloomberg doesn't personally hold views/positions that would classify him as a Republican but he joined the party to run for mayor so he was just as Republican as any other Party member when he held office.
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