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d-usa wrote: Can you cross link the usernames of democrats on Dkaka to registered members of the DU? Do we need to PM Lego to get you IP addresses?
For all the democrats not on Dakka, how does the DU handle the traffic of millions of millions of democrats on their website?
Or we can stop being silly. I provided I heavily trafficked web forum (boasts of more then 250,000 registered users), where material like I posted is very common place.
Do the members of the Democratic Party get on the pulpit and say that everyone who disagrees with Obama is a racist? Of course not. Does it happen on a wide spread basis though? Well, yes, yes it does.
what is the deal with this continuing racist behavior of whites
and that this behavior is still in place and widespread, nationwide, today August 29, 2016? I awoke this morning after a restless night of dreams, nightmares really. Nightmares of a time when PoC were being forced onto trains and sent to "relocation camps" to be reeducated in proper etiquette toward 'other' races and eventual 'employment' back into the agricultural fields, literally, and super large pig and chicken farms. This segment of a night of troubled sleep awoke me very early this morning.
I was in a restaurant yesterday and overheard a white couple, middle aged, talking about how far the negroes have come. I turned around and asked, quietly, far from where? Slavery, segregationist laws that denied civil and voting rights, ghettos? Far from where? People around us got quiet. The ones I was talking to said not a word. I was was finished with my meal. Left a tip and went to the register to pay. I quietly said, PoC never should have had far to come from, I left. I am so sick of this fething arrogant and demeaning mentality of many americans.
Don't get me wrong, there are some progressive and liberal whites out here. Some are even friends, yet who put this onus of responsibilty on their shoulders in the first goddamn place to be the supreme race? God, fate, darwin's natural selection? American racism is an example of a systemic and institutional sickness that so far, is not being cured. It is an infection, in this day of the trumpenfuher that is widespread and virulently infectious. How can I state this fact? Generations of precedent. Each generation of racists train a new generation of Dylan Roofs, trump supporters and new klan members. After years of thought on the subject of racism and racial warfare for dominance I have come to the conclusion that somehow racial memory of long ago events are embedded in our DNA and in those prone to fear 'others' is a prompt to them to try to dominate all 'others' Something like trump is agitating now.
Long ago African Empire was exemplified by Timbuktu. At it's height 25000 students from all over the civilized world attended the University. This fact alone dispels any myth of inferiority among PoC in the world at that time, yet fear made many try to diminish this acheivement by perpetrating the "they are all ignorant savages myth". Modern Tarzan movies pushed that into the minds of many. Am I wrong? It was for this reason that African Empire was not allowed to flourish and that African Empire was destroyed by envious Dutch, Arab, Portuguese, British and Asians with a host of others. The new americas involvement in that dastardly trade in slaves in etched in memory of many black and white, Union and Confederate. Yes to you people looking to spread the blame, intra tribal/nation warfare did supply some of the slaves for trade, but a vast majority came from those excursions/incursions by the many nationalities mentioned into the interior that provided the bodies from the many destroyed villages and towns that helped destroy African Empire. Gunpowder was the deciding factor
On to the present. This election is about racial and gender dominance. This is no small wonder given the rise of open racism and state sanctioned murder and execution of men, women and children of color since the ascension of Barack Hussein Obama as POTUS. No small wonder at all. Happy election season.
OK, now that we've got that part of the construction of your argument out of the way, can you explain what in the example you consider racist and why?
The original point that Frazzled made was that there is a very large number of people on the left side of the house, who will claim that any disagreement with Democratic policies is racist. So, not sure what you're looking for, cause he, nor I, ever said they were racist, or taking racist actions.
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what is the deal with this continuing racist behavior of whites
and that this behavior is still in place and widespread, nationwide, today August 29, 2016? I awoke this morning after a restless night of dreams, nightmares really. Nightmares of a time when PoC were being forced onto trains and sent to "relocation camps" to be reeducated in proper etiquette toward 'other' races and eventual 'employment' back into the agricultural fields, literally, and super large pig and chicken farms. This segment of a night of troubled sleep awoke me very early this morning.
I was in a restaurant yesterday and overheard a white couple, middle aged, talking about how far the negroes have come. I turned around and asked, quietly, far from where? Slavery, segregationist laws that denied civil and voting rights, ghettos? Far from where? People around us got quiet. The ones I was talking to said not a word. I was was finished with my meal. Left a tip and went to the register to pay. I quietly said, PoC never should have had far to come from, I left. I am so sick of this fething arrogant and demeaning mentality of many americans.
Don't get me wrong, there are some progressive and liberal whites out here. Some are even friends, yet who put this onus of responsibilty on their shoulders in the first goddamn place to be the supreme race? God, fate, darwin's natural selection? American racism is an example of a systemic and institutional sickness that so far, is not being cured. It is an infection, in this day of the trumpenfuher that is widespread and virulently infectious. How can I state this fact? Generations of precedent. Each generation of racists train a new generation of Dylan Roofs, trump supporters and new klan members. After years of thought on the subject of racism and racial warfare for dominance I have come to the conclusion that somehow racial memory of long ago events are embedded in our DNA and in those prone to fear 'others' is a prompt to them to try to dominate all 'others' Something like trump is agitating now.
Long ago African Empire was exemplified by Timbuktu. At it's height 25000 students from all over the civilized world attended the University. This fact alone dispels any myth of inferiority among PoC in the world at that time, yet fear made many try to diminish this acheivement by perpetrating the "they are all ignorant savages myth". Modern Tarzan movies pushed that into the minds of many. Am I wrong? It was for this reason that African Empire was not allowed to flourish and that African Empire was destroyed by envious Dutch, Arab, Portuguese, British and Asians with a host of others. The new americas involvement in that dastardly trade in slaves in etched in memory of many black and white, Union and Confederate. Yes to you people looking to spread the blame, intra tribal/nation warfare did supply some of the slaves for trade, but a vast majority came from those excursions/incursions by the many nationalities mentioned into the interior that provided the bodies from the many destroyed villages and towns that helped destroy African Empire. Gunpowder was the deciding factor
On to the present. This election is about racial and gender dominance. This is no small wonder given the rise of open racism and state sanctioned murder and execution of men, women and children of color since the ascension of Barack Hussein Obama as POTUS. No small wonder at all. Happy election season.
OK, now that we've got that part of the construction of your argument out of the way, can you explain what in the example you consider racist and why?
The original point that Frazzled made was that there is a very large number of people on the left side of the house, who will claim that any disagreement with Democratic policies is racist. So, not sure what you're looking for, cause he, nor I, ever said they were racist, or taking racist actions.
And the point I made in response to Frazzled was that he was generalizing while denouncing the evils of generalizing.
For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back.
Do the members of the Democratic Party get on the pulpit and say that everyone who disagrees with Obama is a racist? Of course not. Does it happen on a wide spread basis though? Well, yes, yes it does.
Actually... there's been quite a few (D) members who does this:
d-usa wrote: Can you cross link the usernames of democrats on Dkaka to registered members of the DU? Do we need to PM Lego to get you IP addresses?
For all the democrats not on Dakka, how does the DU handle the traffic of millions of millions of democrats on their website?
Or we can stop being silly. I provided I heavily trafficked web forum (boasts of more then 250,000 registered users), where material like I posted is very common place.
Do the members of the Democratic Party get on the pulpit and say that everyone who disagrees with Obama is a racist? Of course not. Does it happen on a wide spread basis though? Well, yes, yes it does.
what is the deal with this continuing racist behavior of whites
and that this behavior is still in place and widespread, nationwide, today August 29, 2016? I awoke this morning after a restless night of dreams, nightmares really. Nightmares of a time when PoC were being forced onto trains and sent to "relocation camps" to be reeducated in proper etiquette toward 'other' races and eventual 'employment' back into the agricultural fields, literally, and super large pig and chicken farms. This segment of a night of troubled sleep awoke me very early this morning.
I was in a restaurant yesterday and overheard a white couple, middle aged, talking about how far the negroes have come. I turned around and asked, quietly, far from where? Slavery, segregationist laws that denied civil and voting rights, ghettos? Far from where? People around us got quiet. The ones I was talking to said not a word. I was was finished with my meal. Left a tip and went to the register to pay. I quietly said, PoC never should have had far to come from, I left. I am so sick of this fething arrogant and demeaning mentality of many americans.
Don't get me wrong, there are some progressive and liberal whites out here. Some are even friends, yet who put this onus of responsibilty on their shoulders in the first goddamn place to be the supreme race? God, fate, darwin's natural selection? American racism is an example of a systemic and institutional sickness that so far, is not being cured. It is an infection, in this day of the trumpenfuher that is widespread and virulently infectious. How can I state this fact? Generations of precedent. Each generation of racists train a new generation of Dylan Roofs, trump supporters and new klan members. After years of thought on the subject of racism and racial warfare for dominance I have come to the conclusion that somehow racial memory of long ago events are embedded in our DNA and in those prone to fear 'others' is a prompt to them to try to dominate all 'others' Something like trump is agitating now.
Long ago African Empire was exemplified by Timbuktu. At it's height 25000 students from all over the civilized world attended the University. This fact alone dispels any myth of inferiority among PoC in the world at that time, yet fear made many try to diminish this acheivement by perpetrating the "they are all ignorant savages myth". Modern Tarzan movies pushed that into the minds of many. Am I wrong? It was for this reason that African Empire was not allowed to flourish and that African Empire was destroyed by envious Dutch, Arab, Portuguese, British and Asians with a host of others. The new americas involvement in that dastardly trade in slaves in etched in memory of many black and white, Union and Confederate. Yes to you people looking to spread the blame, intra tribal/nation warfare did supply some of the slaves for trade, but a vast majority came from those excursions/incursions by the many nationalities mentioned into the interior that provided the bodies from the many destroyed villages and towns that helped destroy African Empire. Gunpowder was the deciding factor
On to the present. This election is about racial and gender dominance. This is no small wonder given the rise of open racism and state sanctioned murder and execution of men, women and children of color since the ascension of Barack Hussein Obama as POTUS. No small wonder at all. Happy election season.
OK, now that we've got that part of the construction of your argument out of the way, can you explain what in the example you consider racist and why?
The original point that Frazzled made was that there is a very large number of people on the left side of the house, who will claim that any disagreement with Democratic policies is racist. So, not sure what you're looking for, cause he, nor I, ever said they were racist, or taking racist actions.
I think what brought us down this chain of comments was something like this:
- someone generalized
- someone else complained about people generalizing while making a statement that generalized
- someone else pointed out that generalizing while complaining about generalizing is silly
Not at all defending Trump's statement. I will admit that our nation is better off then it is sometimes painted out to be. Just offering some more data points to consider.
Or we can stop being silly. I provided I heavily trafficked web forum (boasts of more then 250,000 registered users), where material like I posted is very common place.
Wait - I'm confused. Are you saying that what you posted is an example of racism against white people? Because, uh, we must have read entirely different texts. What I read was an explanation (pretty florid and overembellished, admittedly) of how "PoC" have been historically mistreated by whites. That seems pretty much standard fare reality. Or are you saying that acknowledging that is in itself racism?
I'd be inserted in an in-depth study, to see if the shrink is happening above or below. A lot of these stuff are without context, so you can claim whatever you want and have some sort of validation.
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Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
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sebster wrote: Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
I think what brought us down this chain of comments was something like this:
- someone generalized
- someone else complained about people generalizing while making a statement that generalized
- someone else pointed out that generalizing while complaining about generalizing is silly
Yeah, in retrospect, I didn't really need to quote Walrus's post, cause it was going on a different tangent by that point.
jasper76 wrote: So, median income for the middle class rose in 2015 by 5.2%, the fastest increase ever recorded by the federal government.
Can't wait to see how this fits into Trumps "America's is a Gak Hole" story.
Also, poverty rate fell 1.2%, the biggest decline ince 1968.
Median income doesn't tell the story that the middle class is splitting. The difference between upper and lower middle classn is getting bigger and that's the story behind the middle class disappearing. Rather than having a comfortable middle class life people are closer to upper and lower class, making it big or struggling. The median may still be rising, but more people on either side are further away from that number.
AlmightyWalrus wrote: I'll also add that everyone in this thread should be familiar with why the Robert Byrd argument is rubbish, considering how often it's been brought up and shot down on Dakka.
Its because you are in Sweden and thus ignorant of what his position was in the Klan and what it means that I won't call you out on it. We'll just note that, given his age and status, he probably had a hand in at least one lynching in his time, and maybe a nice bombing or two.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
AlmightyWalrus wrote: I'll also add that everyone in this thread should be familiar with why the Robert Byrd argument is rubbish, considering how often it's been brought up and shot down on Dakka.
Its because you are in Sweden and thus ignorant of what his position was in the Klan and what it means that I won't call you out on it. We'll just note that, given his age and status, he probably had a hand in at least one lynching in his time, and maybe a nice bombing or two.
Do we have to go through this again Frazz? I thought the last 7 times I had to re-post it was enough.
Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote: Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote: Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
AlmightyWalrus wrote: I'll also add that everyone in this thread should be familiar with why the Robert Byrd argument is rubbish, considering how often it's been brought up and shot down on Dakka.
Its because you are in Sweden and thus ignorant of what his position was in the Klan and what it means that I won't call you out on it. We'll just note that, given his age and status, he probably had a hand in at least one lynching in his time, and maybe a nice bombing or two.
Yeah, I believe his repentance was genuine, but I have zero doubt that there were some serious skeletons in his closet from those years.
And the point I made in response to Frazzled was that he was generalizing while denouncing the evils of generalizing.
I'm sorry, you're being too general.
Of course I am generalizing, nor am I going to cite 20 examples. No one's opinion is going to change on this thread, especially Scyth, or Sebster, or Whembly. And of course my opinions predate the founding of the written language so good luck changing mine.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
AlmightyWalrus wrote: I'll also add that everyone in this thread should be familiar with why the Robert Byrd argument is rubbish, considering how often it's been brought up and shot down on Dakka.
Its because you are in Sweden and thus ignorant of what his position was in the Klan and what it means that I won't call you out on it. We'll just note that, given his age and status, he probably had a hand in at least one lynching in his time, and maybe a nice bombing or two.
Yeah, I believe his repentance was genuine, but I have zero doubt that there were some serious skeletons in his closet from those years.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
AlmightyWalrus wrote: I'll also add that everyone in this thread should be familiar with why the Robert Byrd argument is rubbish, considering how often it's been brought up and shot down on Dakka.
Its because you are in Sweden and thus ignorant of what his position was in the Klan and what it means that I won't call you out on it. We'll just note that, given his age and status, he probably had a hand in at least one lynching in his time, and maybe a nice bombing or two.
Yeah, I believe his repentance was genuine, but I have zero doubt that there were some serious skeletons in his closet from those years.
AlmightyWalrus wrote: I'll also add that everyone in this thread should be familiar with why the Robert Byrd argument is rubbish, considering how often it's been brought up and shot down on Dakka.
Its because you are in Sweden and thus ignorant of what his position was in the Klan and what it means that I won't call you out on it. We'll just note that, given his age and status, he probably had a hand in at least one lynching in his time, and maybe a nice bombing or two.
Yeah, I believe his repentance was genuine, but I have zero doubt that there were some serious skeletons in his closet from those years.
This is not a defense of Trump, but those who aren't aware should be aware, there is a big difference about belonging to the Klan and being a Wizard, especially being a Wizard from the 1960s or 1950s.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
You can rest assured that knowledge about the activities of the KKK have reached out even as far as somewhere insignificant like the whole of Europe.
I'll admit their sudden revival and apparent support.... hmm ... not that,.... lets say acceptance , by vast swathes of the USA public -- especially with regards to people being mean about them 1111 !!!! -- normally from the same people who constantly complain about thin skinned the evil lefties are and how they need to man up and accept what's thrown at them -- has been a bit more surprising but we haven't quite lost all hope for you yet..
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
For the record, I've yet to see a KKK gathering or even a KKK-inspired... well... anythinghere in St. Louis, Missouri.
EDIT: well... I take that back, I 'heard' that the KKK was going to show up in Ferguson during the riots, but they were never ID'ed on camera. We had a lot of cray-cray coming in from all of the States.
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reds8n wrote: You can rest assured that knowledge about the activities of the KKK have reached out even as far as somewhere insignificant like the whole of Europe.
I'll admit their sudden revival and apparent support.... hmm ... not that,.... lets say acceptance , by vast swathes of the USA public -- especially with regards to people being mean about them 1111 !!!! -- normally from the same people who constantly complain about thin skinned the evil lefties are and how they need to man up and accept what's thrown at them -- has been a bit more surprising but we haven't quite lost all hope for you yet..
My point is that position is a high one with that organization, and would have involved very bad things indeed, not just some marching around in a bed sheet with a receding chin. Did anyone ever see the Youtube of the line of pickup trucks with giant rebel flags blowing by a house showing off when one rear ends the other? Priceless.
For the record, I've yet to see a KKK gathering or even a KKK-inspired... well... anythinghere in St. Louis, Missouri.
EDIT: well... I take that back, I 'heard' that the KKK was going to show up in Ferguson during the riots, but they were never ID'ed on camera. We had a lot of cray-cray coming in from all of the States.
When I lived in St. Louis, there was Klan. If you haven't seen them thats a distinct positive. Maybe they have fallen away there too.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
reds8n wrote: You can rest assured that knowledge about the activities of the KKK have reached out even as far as somewhere insignificant like the whole of Europe.
I'll admit their sudden revival and apparent support.... hmm ... not that,.... lets say acceptance , by vast swathes of the USA public -- especially with regards to people being mean about them 1111 !!!! -- normally from the same people who constantly complain about thin skinned the evil lefties are and how they need to man up and accept what's thrown at them -- has been a bit more surprising but we haven't quite lost all hope for you yet..
I think your info may be a bit off. There is no resurgence of the KKK, in numbers, or support. They may have been "louder" recently, but that doesn't make them any more accepted. 5000-8000 members per the SPLC, in a nation of 350 million.
They're a flea bite on a dogs ass compared to anything else. Their name just commands a lot of attention because their membership used to measure in the millions.
reds8n wrote: You can rest assured that knowledge about the activities of the KKK have reached out even as far as somewhere insignificant like the whole of Europe.
I'll admit their sudden revival and apparent support.... hmm ... not that,.... lets say acceptance , by vast swathes of the USA public -- especially with regards to people being mean about them 1111 !!!! -- normally from the same people who constantly complain about thin skinned the evil lefties are and how they need to man up and accept what's thrown at them -- has been a bit more surprising but we haven't quite lost all hope for you yet..
The KKK isn't really resurgent. What is resurgent is white nationalism. It shouldn't come as a big surprise that this would be so, since whites are on the "losing end" of demographic changes in the US.
I'm glad that we were (again) able to trot out the corpse of Robert Byrd, a senator who left the KKK 64 years ago, as an example of why both sides are bad.
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djones520 wrote: They're a flea bite on a dogs ass compared to anything else. Their name just commands a lot of attention because their membership used to measure in the millions.
They're also a culturally significant group, so their small numbers don't stop them from having some degree of influence.
The KKK kind of fell out of style. They're a lot less sexy than groups like the Aryan Brotherhood, or you're typical Stormfront user group. Compared to people actively involved in being racist feth nuggets, the KKK dressing up in bed sheets and having an annual parade in Adams County, Pennsylvania every year is kind of unimpressive.
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The governor of Kentucky says patriots might have to shed blood to "reclaim" America if Clinton is elected
I don't see how the New England Patriots cheating (again) would be necessary if Hillary is elected.
Spoiler:
Hillary lied! People died!
How did her supposed lie lead to people lying?
...um...you're just a libtard!
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Ouze wrote: I'm glad that we were (again) able to trot out the corpse of Robert Byrd, a senator who left the KKK 64 years ago, as an example of why both sides are bad.
No.
This example is used to highlight the double-standards that exists in politics.
Robert Byrd as a Republican would've never been able to have much political success as he had as a career Democratic politician.
The governor of Kentucky says patriots might have to shed blood to "reclaim" America if Clinton is elected
He said, "I want us to be able to fight ideologically, mentally, spiritually, economically, so that we don't have to do it physically. But that , in fact, may be the case."
Yeah, who really cares about the will of the people in a democracy?
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