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Not to pile on here but didn't wikileaks show that the DNC rigged the primaries away from Bernie? Beyond simple votes in the primaries didn't they short change him in several ways and help Clinton win?
Not to pile on here but didn't wikileaks show that the DNC rigged the primaries away from Bernie? Beyond simple votes in the primaries didn't they short change him in several ways and help Clinton win?
I actually am fervently upset about other appointees and employees that do similar things. I have in my time stripped members of the intelligence community of their clearances for doing unsafe things an order of magnitude less then those that Mrs Clinton has done. I am furious with members of our political and military elite who have flaunted national security. I think I have made my position on that rather clear.
Even if you are, there just isnt any fury or outrage or calls for jailing or shooting of others that have done these things. Only Hillary. That tends to look rather partisan. I certainly haven't seen any discussion on these boards about the other employees and appointees aside from "well yeah go after them too while you're at it".
With voting for Trump, the way I look at it, voting for anyone besides Trump is a vote for Hillary, our National history has shown that to be true unfortunately, we have never had a real 3rd party have a shot, in fact 3rd parties tend to do little more then fracture the 2 main political powers. As a person who agrees with some conservatism and moderate views I identify with the Republicans more so then the democrats (though no much) so for me to vote 3rd party means I am throwing my vote away and by doing so weakening the chances of stopping Clinton from winning. As I said, I view her as a threat to our national security more so then I view trump's ridiculous comments.
Trumps comments arent just ridiculous, the guys entire platform boils down to personal attacks and avoiding the truth in any arena. He is on tape admitting to sexual assault. He talked up unfriendly foreign powers and advocated for them acting against his political opponents. You want to talk about a national security issue, russian state media is practically campaigning for Trump and Trump seems very cozy in that relationship. His comments and knowledge of world events appears to be lacking or distorted in the extreme or more usually just made up on the spot. He has made claims about intelligence briefings where he attributes political positions about Hillary to intelligence personnel, a big no-no which should be at least as much of an issue as Hillary's email thing.
How on earth he's better on national security just because Hillary is stupid with her email is difficult to see.
IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
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Also, are we forgetting about Trump bringing Manafort - the guy they dropped because of increasingly obvious ties to Russia - to national security briefings?
Not to pile on here but didn't wikileaks show that the DNC rigged the primaries away from Bernie? Beyond simple votes in the primaries didn't they short change him in several ways and help Clinton win?
I actually am fervently upset about other appointees and employees that do similar things. I have in my time stripped members of the intelligence community of their clearances for doing unsafe things an order of magnitude less then those that Mrs Clinton has done. I am furious with members of our political and military elite who have flaunted national security. I think I have made my position on that rather clear.
Even if you are, there just isnt any fury or outrage or calls for jailing or shooting of others that have done these things. Only Hillary. That tends to look rather partisan. I certainly haven't seen any discussion on these boards about the other employees and appointees aside from "well yeah go after them too while you're at it".
With voting for Trump, the way I look at it, voting for anyone besides Trump is a vote for Hillary, our National history has shown that to be true unfortunately, we have never had a real 3rd party have a shot, in fact 3rd parties tend to do little more then fracture the 2 main political powers. As a person who agrees with some conservatism and moderate views I identify with the Republicans more so then the democrats (though no much) so for me to vote 3rd party means I am throwing my vote away and by doing so weakening the chances of stopping Clinton from winning. As I said, I view her as a threat to our national security more so then I view trump's ridiculous comments.
Trumps comments arent just ridiculous, the guys entire platform boils down to personal attacks and avoiding the truth in any arena. He is on tape admitting to sexual assault. He talked up unfriendly foreign powers and advocated for them acting against his political opponents. You want to talk about a national security issue, russian state media is practically campaigning for Trump and Trump seems very cozy in that relationship. His comments and knowledge of world events appears to be lacking or distorted in the extreme or more usually just made up on the spot. He has made claims about intelligence briefings where he attributes political positions about Hillary to intelligence personnel, a big no-no which should be at least as much of an issue as Hillary's email thing.
How on earth he's better on national security just because Hillary is stupid with her email is difficult to see.
On the flip side she is calling for forcing a no fly zone in Syria. So either its Trump who will kill our economy, or Clinton who will get us into a war with Russia.
Greet choices there.
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Not to pile on here but didn't wikileaks show that the DNC rigged the primaries away from Bernie? Beyond simple votes in the primaries didn't they short change him in several ways and help Clinton win?
No.
Yes actually.
Partially
It certainly looked to me like there were some sketchy things said in those emails; as far as I can tell, though, there's no evidence that she didn't win fairly, and nothing that ties to Clinton herself. Obviously, some things need to be changed, but Sanders didn't have the primary stolen from him.
Not to pile on here but didn't wikileaks show that the DNC rigged the primaries away from Bernie? Beyond simple votes in the primaries didn't they short change him in several ways and help Clinton win?
Not to pile on here but didn't wikileaks show that the DNC rigged the primaries away from Bernie? Beyond simple votes in the primaries didn't they short change him in several ways and help Clinton win?
No.
Yes actually.
Partially
It certainly looked to me like there were some sketchy things said in those emails; as far as I can tell, though, there's no evidence that she didn't win fairly, and nothing that ties to Clinton herself. Obviously, some things need to be changed, but Sanders didn't have the primary stolen from him.
Mind, I am not a Democrat so thats fine by me. If they want to have a competitive dance off thats fine. I just want to see who their final candidate is.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
It really, really depends on how you view the primaries. Part of the reason it seems like Hillary spent longer than normal running against Bernie isn't that he was doing better than other primary candidates, it's that he stayed in longer. He stayed in far past the point of actually having a chance to win, and while he surprised everybody by winning Michigan, the proportional nature of democratic primaries makes a huge comeback unlikely. For the sake of comparison, Hillary got a higher share of votes in the 2016 primaries than Romney got in 2012.
And the same forces that led to Trump also almost led to a Sanders candidacy. There's a huge anti-establishment groundswell across the aisles, but Hillary had an ace in the hole that she didn't have (for obvious reasons ) in 2008: the black vote. She crushed Sanders among minority voters, the same base she's going to rely on in the general.
On the flip side she is calling for forcing a no fly zone in Syria. So either its Trump who will kill our economy, or Clinton who will get us into a war with Russia.
Greet choices there.
Sure, though I think Trump would get us into a stupid war just as easily for different reasons. That said, I'm not trying to advocate *for* Hillary in any way (again, I'm not planning on voting for her), just pointing out that Trump really isnt a better answer on national security, and is almost certainly a worse one on the whole.
IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights! The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts.
Spinner wrote: Oh, God, if only this whole painful process could include a dance-off.
Is it too late? Can we get that included in the debate Wednesday?
I think Hillarly would win, hands down. Possibly backed up by the Bonemaster.
By the way, could you possibly see Trump laughing at something like this? Instead we'd probably get the brooding, psychopath look he gave Obama at the White House Correspondence dinner.
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Not to pile on here but didn't wikileaks show that the DNC rigged the primaries away from Bernie? Beyond simple votes in the primaries didn't they short change him in several ways and help Clinton win?
No.
Yes actually.
The wikileaks showed that the DNC chair, who was a known firend or Hils, did direct the party establishment machine to support her over Sanders.
I actually am fervently upset about other appointees and employees that do similar things. I have in my time stripped members of the intelligence community of their clearances for doing unsafe things an order of magnitude less then those that Mrs Clinton has done. I am furious with members of our political and military elite who have flaunted national security. I think I have made my position on that rather clear.
Even if you are, there just isnt any fury or outrage or calls for jailing or shooting of others that have done these things. Only Hillary. That tends to look rather partisan. I certainly haven't seen any discussion on these boards about the other employees and appointees aside from "well yeah go after them too while you're at it".
With voting for Trump, the way I look at it, voting for anyone besides Trump is a vote for Hillary, our National history has shown that to be true unfortunately, we have never had a real 3rd party have a shot, in fact 3rd parties tend to do little more then fracture the 2 main political powers. As a person who agrees with some conservatism and moderate views I identify with the Republicans more so then the democrats (though no much) so for me to vote 3rd party means I am throwing my vote away and by doing so weakening the chances of stopping Clinton from winning. As I said, I view her as a threat to our national security more so then I view trump's ridiculous comments.
Trumps comments arent just ridiculous, the guys entire platform boils down to personal attacks and avoiding the truth in any arena. He is on tape admitting to sexual assault. He talked up unfriendly foreign powers and advocated for them acting against his political opponents. You want to talk about a national security issue, russian state media is practically campaigning for Trump and Trump seems very cozy in that relationship. His comments and knowledge of world events appears to be lacking or distorted in the extreme or more usually just made up on the spot. He has made claims about intelligence briefings where he attributes political positions about Hillary to intelligence personnel, a big no-no which should be at least as much of an issue as Hillary's email thing.
How on earth he's better on national security just because Hillary is stupid with her email is difficult to see.
On the flip side she is calling for forcing a no fly zone in Syria. So either its Trump who will kill our economy, or Clinton who will get us into a war with Russia.
Greet choices there.
HRC will not force a war with Russia. Putin wants his useful idiot in charge because he can lead him around by his fragile ego, whereas Hils is as good at the Game as he is.
Put it this way, winter is coming, you need to choose between HRC
And Trump
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
I think Robert Baratheon may be a more suitable HRC stand in. Corrupt, partially ineffectual, past his prime, tons of shady and unpleasant history, etc, but what Westeros wouldnt give to have him instead of...Goffrey.
IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights! The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts.
kronk wrote: I would have used Hodor, but there you go.
Irrelevant when both answer to the Master of the Coin.
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d-usa wrote: We are comparing presidential candidates to GOT characters?
And one of them is the creepy dad who thinks his daughter is hot?
Yea thats classic definition of the term up.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
kronk wrote: I would have used Hodor, but there you go.
Well, I only read the first two books, but my FB feed exploded a while back with tearful Hodor/doorstop related memes, so I assume he died a sympathetic character.
When Trump dies, I don't anticipate a lot of tearful memes.
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
Vaktathi wrote: I think Robert Baratheon may be a more suitable HRC stand in. Corrupt, partially ineffectual, past his prime, tons of shady and unpleasant history, etc, but what Westeros wouldnt give to have him instead of...Goffrey.
Maybe Stannis? Pretty much knows what he's doing, but unliked by most of the Seven Kingdoms and has a serious problem with coming of as personable to anyone that doesn't know him beyond his leadership role?
Not sure where the burning of kids goes into it, but I'm sure Whembly or Frazzled could let us know.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Not to pile on here but didn't wikileaks show that the DNC rigged the primaries away from Bernie? Beyond simple votes in the primaries didn't they short change him in several ways and help Clinton win?
Yes they did.
Here's some more information on the Hillary campaign. It's sad that an orange business carrot is our last hope at bringing these people to justice.
Project Veritas Action has been revealing stuff much like Wikileaks but some Americans plug their ears. Some of those people are posting in this thread.
Automatically Appended Next Post: The video is a bit long, but here's a TLDW from Reddit.
Collusion and corruption. Hillary Clinton must not win.
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When is deadly danger,
When beset by doubt,
Run in little circles,
And wave your hands and shout.
Yeah, I wouldnt expect anyone to take anything from O'keefe's Veritas or that subreddit too seriously, anymore than a Michael Moore or D'souza.
IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights! The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts.
Ustrello wrote: So your big proof is a long winded post from a the donald subreddit mod?
No it's even better.
Youtube.
Nevermind that this is stuff is classic Julian Assange levels of stating the obvious. Welcome to America. Where political campaign laws suck because people can violate their spirit easily while not violating their word. Of course, at worst is means HRC plays the game of US politics well, which might not be likeable but I'm still baffled as hell how that's more corrupt than mounting financial fraud, insanity, and a complete and utter lack of self-awareness or control. For a game with the choice of a giant douche and a wet turd sandwich people are really desperate to pretend the wet turd is just spam from a can.
And oh look, Julian Assange is on about how everyone hates him because he's so edgy. Again. Seriously. When did the right wing of American politics of all wings suddenly forget that Wikileaks has descended into an echo chamber of conspiracy that borderline worships Assange for doing little more than revealing mountains of information we all pretty much knew but why not waste our time learning the very boring nuts and bolts?
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If this is true, then Trump should serve his sentence. Trump's a pretty nasty guy but I have serious doubts about this one. The timing couldn't be worse, however, and I agree with Trump's statements that these accusations popping up out of the woodwork are the result of a political motive.
When is deadly danger,
When beset by doubt,
Run in little circles,
And wave your hands and shout.
If this is true, then Trump should serve his sentence. Trump's a pretty nasty guy but I have serious doubts about this one. The timing couldn't be worse, however, and I agree with Trump's statements that these accusations popping up out of the woodwork are the result of a political motive.
From a guy caught on tape in his own words talking about using sexual assault as a pickup line and being able to get away with it because he's famous, who has been through a grip of wives and even more mistresses, the idea that all these women are complete liars looking for attention is...hard to believe.
I mean, political motive surely is part of the reason, they're obviously not wanting to see him be president, but at the same time, given the above, its not like these things were unlikely to have happened either.
IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
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