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 Frazzled wrote:
His support is generally 38% to 42%. Saying the opposing party are not moral is the hallmark of the tyrant and eventually leads to bad things, like concentration camps and re-education centers. Lets not, shall we.


When something is broke it never gets fixed by everyone pretending to just not talk about it.

Criticism of Republicans certainly needs to always be based around facts and substance, and not just a broad dismissal of them just for being Republicans. But the reality is there is a large portion of Republican voters, maybe close to a majority, who gave Trump the candidacy, and will turn up to vote for him enthusiastically. They buy in to his ridiculous conspiracy nonsense, they trade in arguments that just plain aren't fething true, and they question and challenge every basic institution of the country.

This is a serious fething problem.


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 Ouze wrote:
Almost forgot to mention: it does go the other way, sometime. Right now there is a letter making the rounds that George H.W. Bush sent Bill Clinton after he won the election:


That was great, thanks for posting it. Rubio's recent refusal to use the Podesta hacked emails is also similar - he's placing US democracy above personal political gain. It comes from respecting the the presidency or any other elected position as a responsibility, not as a status symbol. Trump pretty clearly does not get that.


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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
And no, I don't think the Youtuber is a "habitual liar", thats your opinion. And I refuse to argue with you over it, his truthfulness is irrelevant and you are side tracking with this silly little argument and evading my point.


Actually it's the opinion of multiple courts, who found previous videos supplied by O'Keefe to be edited to be wildly inaccurate.

Please go and read about O'Keefe. He's a two bit con artist, and it's kind of amazing that he's still at it, getting people to believe anything in his videos.


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 BigWaaagh wrote:
Not even close. I do believe it, but as I and others posted earlier in this thread, Campaign politics can be nasty and in the end, are just the noise that accompanies big stakes elections.


Yeah, there isn't anything that unbelievable in the video. I mean, union affiliated Democrats are up to dodgy stuff... stop the fething press that changes everything

The irony here, though, is that a guy who's shocked about dirty tricks in US politics is getting his information from James O'Keefe, a guy who's previous contributions to US politics was three dirty tricks manipulated videos.

It's a bit like being shocked that there's drug cheating on the Tour d'France, after having been told so by Lance Armstrong.


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sirlynchmob wrote:
yes, and let's look at the two responses

Hillary & Michele, when they go low, you go high.


To be fair, Clinton said that, she didn't actually do it. And she only said it in response to an attack on her, as she looked to avoid addressing the attack and instead pivot away to another issue. When the debate moved elsewhere she was more than happy to target a long string of personal attacks on Trump, which has effectively dismantled his campaign.

I'm not saying anything Clinton has done in her campaign against Trump has been outside of the norm of politics, or wrong in any way. But her use of Michelle Obama's line was really just the use of a line to avoid addressing an attack made against her. She's not actually one to step above the fray, she actually seems to quite like the fight.


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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Yes. What the "Trumpers" did was criminal. What the Democrats did was not criminal. Both actions are still morally wrong.


You are right that sending an elderly woman in to a situation where you believe she will be assaulted, simply to make the assaulters and the politician they support look bad, is morally wrong.

The mistake you are making is in assuming that it definitely happened. It might have, it certainly wouldn't be surprising if it did, dirty tricks from union officials is a cliche for a reason. But the video comes from James O'Keefe, who has three previous works all of which showed shocking things that turned out to be total fething lies created by deliberately misleading editing. What kind of a sucker would be lied to three times, and then believe it when the guy turns up with a very similar claim the fourth time.

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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
Yes but you have simply decided to believe a bunch of crappy lies.


The Democrats were lying to the reporter when they boasted about the dirty tactics they use?


Seeing we don't know what really was going on there who knows? Quite a lot you can do with some clever editing and out of context quotes. They could have been making jokes with them from having read Trump's supporters suggesting that they are doing that. Clever editing and you miss parts where THAT comes obvious leaving just this.

When you have somebody posting video who has known history of doing highly edited BS video's you surprised people don't take his videos at face value?

Frankly anything you read on internet should be highly doubted so if you have just _one_ source...Seen any OTHER sources supporting your claim?

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FWIW here's an article on Snopes on the videos in question (on phone, so can't quote for the work-blocked).

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As a left wing Aussie, this election doesn't mean much to me, with the two candidates (in my opinion) both going to do awful things (in a way) but I hate trump, and I always have, because of his ideals and his views on certain topics. While this is just my two cents, I would be interested to hear anyone's views on my opinion.

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 Cat_astrophe wrote:
As a left wing Aussie, this election doesn't mean much to me, with the two candidates (in my opinion) both going to do awful things (in a way) but I hate trump, and I always have, because of his ideals and his views on certain topics. While this is just my two cents, I would be interested to hear anyone's views on my opinion.


It seems fairly reasonable. Coming from the left of Australian politics, I can see how neither of those candidates would offer you much (I assume you mean left as in the Greens, if you meant left as in Labor then the Democrats and Clinton are roughly similar).

However, I'd say while it's great to see a politician who shares your values and has a list of policies that you love, that almost never happens. And even if you do really love a politician and they win... then they're still going to do some awful things, either because they screwed up or because that's just the nature of international politics and sometimes there are no good choices. The issue is how big their screw ups might be, and whether they actually take the least worst option or something much worse than that.

End of the day, Clinton is likely to end up wandering in to a skirmish or two, with a pretty good chance of doing so with a very badly conceived exit strategy. Pretty much a run of the mill US president, I can't even think of the last president that didn't end up getting in a fight somewhere. On the other hand Trump is likely to undermine NATO, cosy up to Russia, and dismantle world trade. Basically dismantle the current security and economic framework for the planet.

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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”

Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. 
   
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I have watched the Presidential race with a mix of confusion and interest for some time now and the Hobson's choice you have been presented with; A change ticket (read barmy Billionaire that represents some of the works aspects of US excess and self interest) or a more of the same ticket (a flawed political lawyer/operator and accompanying spin machine), and do not envy you the decision at all.

But having watched the speeches from the Alfred E Smith Memorial Foundation Dinner last night and man alive I knew they are like chalk and cheese but Trump was damned near incoherent in comparison to Clinton. I found her to be surprisingly engaging and more comfortable in a setting that ordinarily I would assume should suit Trump more.

Again not a choice I envy but Clinton has more of a Presidential air to her.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37724391

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 sebster wrote:
 Cat_astrophe wrote:
As a left wing Aussie, this election doesn't mean much to me, with the two candidates (in my opinion) both going to do awful things (in a way) but I hate trump, and I always have, because of his ideals and his views on certain topics. While this is just my two cents, I would be interested to hear anyone's views on my opinion.


As a fairly centrist Aussie, I'd say that there's more to politics than whether or not someone is going to do a horrible thing or three. It's politics on the world stage, even the best ones will do something that isn't nice, and will screw up a few times. The issue is how many screw ups, and how significant the consequences of those screw ups might be.

Clinton is likely to end up wandering in to a skirmish or two, with a pretty good chance of doing so with a very badly conceived exit strategy. Pretty much a run of the mill US president. On the other hand Trump is likely to undermine NATO, cosy up to Russia, and dismantle world trade. Basically dismantle the current security and economic framework for the planet.


As a swede, I would much rather see an American president that co-operates with Russia, then a president that escalate the conflict between NATO and Russia, for obvious reasons.

Though for Aussies you might be more worried by US/China relations
   
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Cozying up to Russia will make them believe that they can get away with more agressive moves towards their neighbors.
   
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 skyth wrote:
Cozying up to Russia will make them believe that they can get away with more agressive moves towards their neighbors.


You can still be firm with them without constant sabre-rattling and escalating into another cold war.
   
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 ulgurstasta wrote:
 skyth wrote:
Cozying up to Russia will make them believe that they can get away with more agressive moves towards their neighbors.


You can still be firm with them without constant sabre-rattling and escalating into another cold war.


Then again there's no quarantee or even likelyhood that Trump would avoid conflict with Russia. Putin says "no" to Trump's demands(not even requests but demands. Flat out "do this or...") and Trump loses temper. Say hello to conflict.

The guy is such an anger management issue that if somebody doesn't do EXACTLY what he wants...Well then all bets are off.

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tneva82 wrote:
 ulgurstasta wrote:
 skyth wrote:
Cozying up to Russia will make them believe that they can get away with more agressive moves towards their neighbors.


You can still be firm with them without constant sabre-rattling and escalating into another cold war.


Then again there's no quarantee or even likelyhood that Trump would avoid conflict with Russia. Putin says "no" to Trump's demands(not even requests but demands. Flat out "do this or...") and Trump loses temper. Say hello to conflict.

The guy is such an anger management issue that if somebody doesn't do EXACTLY what he wants...Well then all bets are off.


Well yeah, I dont like any of the candidates. I have no doubt that both of them will find ways to feth things up in their own special way.
   
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Oh look, Trump and Hillary at the same table, at the same party. Yea, this election isn't a setup at all.


http://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-clinton-go-for-laughs-at-fundraising-dinner-but-one-draws-boos-2016-10-20

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 Frazzled wrote:
Oh look, Trump and Hillary at the same table, at the same party. Yea, this election isn't a setup at all.


http://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-clinton-go-for-laughs-at-fundraising-dinner-but-one-draws-boos-2016-10-20


Politicians in general are always in attendance at the Al Smith Dinner.

In fact by tradition it is the last event every four years that the leading nominees for President will appear at the same time before election day. There's absolutely nothing unusual about Clinton and Trump being there, or being seated near each other.

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At first I thought the idea that Trump was a plant by the Democrats was another crazy right-wing theory. Now I'm not entirely sure. As implausible as it is, man, it's almost the only thing that would explain how Donald Trump has run his campaign.


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Trump explains how Trump has run his campaign.

And let's not forget that actually it has been a very successful campaign. He beat all the challengers, got the nomination, and is still trailing by only 4 points in the polls.

I'm writing a load of fiction. My latest story starts here... This is the index of all the stories...

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 Kilkrazy wrote:
Trump explains how Trump has run his campaign.

And let's not forget that actually it has been a very successful campaign. He beat all the challengers, got the nomination, and is still trailing by only 4 points in the polls.


This.

The only thing more shocking than how badly managed his campaign has been, is how willing people are to ignore literally everything wrong with it.

   
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The really shocking thing about Trump's campaign is that it has revealed a huge number of Republican supporters who are prepared to believe the most ridiculous allegations as long as they are anti-Democrat, while ignoring obvious facts about Trump's dishonesty and incompetence in some idea of hope for change.

I'm writing a load of fiction. My latest story starts here... This is the index of all the stories...

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 Kilkrazy wrote:
some idea of hope for change.


Hope? Change?

I think I've figured it out.

Trump isn't a Democratic plant. The Republican voter base is a Democratic plant! They want all the same things Obama purports to want!

   
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No, seriously, the idea of hope for change has been present in various BBC reports throughout the campaign.

A lot of Republicans feel so ground down (for whatever reasons) and left behind by conventional government that they are prepared to take a chance on Trump because while it may be a million to one shot, that is better than nothing.

I'm writing a load of fiction. My latest story starts here... This is the index of all the stories...

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There's absolutely nothing unusual about Clinton and Trump being there, or being seated near each other.


Thats my point.


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 Ouze wrote:
At first I thought the idea that Trump was a plant by the Democrats was another crazy right-wing theory. Now I'm not entirely sure. As implausible as it is, man, it's almost the only thing that would explain how Donald Trump has run his campaign.



There is a view that he started it almost as joke for his ego, and then it spread. Now he's looking to start up another future failure-Trump TV. His kid in law has been moving behind the scenes setting it up.


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 Kilkrazy wrote:
The really shocking thing about Trump's campaign is that it has revealed a huge number of Republican supporters who are prepared to believe the most ridiculous allegations as long as they are anti-Democrat, while ignoring obvious facts about Trump's dishonesty and incompetence in some idea of hope for change.


Almost like the British with Brexit.

A lot of Republicans feel so ground down (for whatever reasons) and left behind by conventional government that they are prepared to take a chance on Trump because while it may be a million to one shot, that is better than nothing.

There is an amazing bit of wisdom here. Its also on the left with the Bernies. This is the blowback from the Great Recession.

Being a bit closer to them it looks like you're looking at three groups making up Trump supporters:
*The hopeless. These are white working class who've watched their entire way of life disappear. No one cares about them. Republicans don't, Democrats despise them (I'm sure an interesting doctoral paper could be made about the Democratic abandonment of the white working class). There are similar groups in Europe (see Brexit) and other regions.
*The real deplorables. These are the nattering nabobs of the Republican Party. They are not conservatives or libertarians and would be just fine living in a town with "sundown" signs (Hey X, don't let us catch your ass still here at sundown).
*Legacy republicans who are strictly in it for the SCOTUS seats. This is a big deal and there is an equal contingent doing the same on the Democrat side. Absent a nuke war, SCOTUS has become the most important branch of government for many. So sad its come to that.

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https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/partisan-fb-pages-analysis?utm_term=.phOmneL37#.gcO1ZN6gY


Spoiler:


Hyperpartisan political Facebook pages and websites are consistently feeding their millions of followers false or misleading information, according to an analysis by BuzzFeed News. The review of more than 1,000 posts from six large hyperpartisan Facebook pages selected from the right and from the left also found that the least accurate pages generated some of the highest numbers of shares, reactions, and comments on Facebook — far more than the three large mainstream political news pages analyzed for comparison.
Our analysis of three hyperpartisan right-wing Facebook pages found that 38% of all posts were either a mixture of true and false or mostly false, compared to 19% of posts from three hyperpartisan left-wing pages that were either a mixture of true and false or mostly false. The right-wing pages are among the forces — perhaps as potent as the cable news shows that have gotten far more attention — that helped fuel the rise of Donald Trump.
These pages, with names such as Eagle Rising on the right and Occupy Democrats on the left, represent a new and powerful force in American politics and society. Many have quickly grown to be as large as — and often much larger than — mainstream political news pages. A recent feature in the New York Times Magazine reported on the growth and influence of these pages, saying they “have begun to create and refine a new approach to political news: cherry-picking and reconstituting the most effective tactics and tropes from activism, advocacy and journalism into a potent new mixture.”
The rapid growth of these pages combines with BuzzFeed News’ findings to suggest a troubling conclusion: The best way to attract and grow an audience for political content on the world’s biggest social network is to eschew factual reporting and instead play to partisan biases using false or misleading information that simply tells people what they want to hear. This approach has precursors in partisan print and television media, but has gained a new scale of distribution on Facebook. And while it isn’t a solely American phenomenon — the British Labour party found powerful support from a similar voice — these pages are central to understanding a profoundly polarized moment in American life.
For example, in late September, Freedom Daily, a Facebook page with more than 1 million fans, scored a viral hit with a post that filled its audience with racial outrage.
The post linked to an article on the Freedom Daily website with the headline “Two White Men Doused With Gasoline, Set On FIRE By Blacks – Media CENSORED (VIDEO).” The text that accompanied the link on Facebook connected the attack to recent Black Lives Matter protests and urged people to share the post “if you’re angry as hell & aren’t going to take it anymore!”

Anyone clicking on the link saw a video of the altercation, with some additional commentary. “Back in the day, when people were a lot smarter and America was great, this would have been a lot different,” the article said.
But nowhere in the article or Facebook post did Freedom Daily make it clear that this incident happened almost a year ago, and that it had absolutely no connection to Black Lives Matter.
The falsehoods continued from there: The altercation was actually between two people, a black man and his co-worker — and perhaps most importantly, the co-worker is not white. Court documents allege that the fight began with the co-worker throwing the first punch. Prosecutors also said the second man caught fire as a result of him coming into contact with the first man who was engulfed in flames. And finally, in spite of the headline’s claim that the incident was “CENSORED” by the media, it was widely covered by Baltimore media as well as by CNN and the Daily Mail’s website. (The man who allegedly set the fire, Christopher Harrison Jr., was charged with attempted first-degree murder, reckless endangerment, and first- and second-degree assault.)
But these details only stood in the way of success on Facebook. In the end, Freedom Daily’s largely false post was shared more than 14,000 times, generating more than 9,000 reactions and over 2,000 angry comments on Facebook.
“Not even animals would do this,” reads the most liked comment on the post. “Time to hang these people.”
Pages like Freedom Daily play to the biases of their audiences — and to those of Facebook’s News Feed algorithm — by sharing videos, photos, and links that demonize opposing points of view. They write explosive headlines and passages that urge people to click and share in order to show their support, or to express outrage. And in this tense and polarizing presidential election season, they continue to grow and gain influence.
“They are, perhaps, the purest expression of Facebook’s design and of the incentives coded into its algorithm,” wrote John Herrman in the New York Times Magazine.
These pages are also a constant source of dubious, misleading, or completely false information.
During the period analyzed, right-wing pages, for example, pushed a conspiracy theory about a Hillary Clinton body double, recirculated an old and false story about a Canadian mayor lecturing Muslim immigrants about integration, wrongly claimed that Obama’s last address at the UN saw him tell Americans they needed to give up their freedom for a “New World Government,” and falsely claimed that a football player had been told not to pray by the NFL.
Left-wing pages wrongly claimed Putin’s online troll factory was responsible for rigging online polls to show Trump won the first debate, falsely said that Trump wants to expel all Muslims from the US and said US women in the military should expect to be raped, claimed that TV networks would “not be fact-checking Donald Trump in any way” at the first debate, and completely misrepresented a quote from the pope to claim that he “flat out called Fox News type journalism ‘terrorism.’”
The bottom line is that people who regularly consume information from these pages — especially those on the right — are being fed false or misleading information.
The nature of the falsehoods is important to note. They often take the form of claims and accusations against people, companies, police, movements such as Black Lives Matter, Muslims, or “liberals” or “conservatives” as a whole. They drive division and polarization. And in doing so, they generate massive Facebook engagement that brings more and more people to these pages and their websites and into the echo chamber of hyperpartisan media and beliefs.
What We Did
BuzzFeed News selected three large hyperpartisan Facebook pages each from the right and from the left, as well as three large mainstream political news pages. All nine pages have earned the coveted verified blue checkmark from Facebook, which gives them an additional layer of credibility on the platform.




The nine pages we analyzed. Fan numbers shown for each page are as of Oct. 17, 2016. BuzzFeed News
Over the course of seven weekdays (Sept. 19 to 23 and Sept. 26 and 27), we logged and fact-checked every single post published by these pages. Posts could be rated “mostly true,” “mixture of true and false,” or “mostly false.” If we encountered a post that was satirical or opinion-driven, or that otherwise lacked a factual claim, we rated it “no factual content.” (We chose to rate things as “mostly” true or false in order to allow for smaller errors or accurate facts within otherwise true or false claims or stories.)
We also gathered additional data: Facebook engagement numbers (shares, comments, and reactions) for each post were added from the Facebook API, and we noted whether the post was a link, photo, video, or text. Raters were asked to provide notes and sources to explain their rulings of “mixture of true and false” or “mostly false.” They could also indicate whether they were unsure of a given rating, which would trigger a second review of the same post in order to ensure consistency. Any discrepancies between the two ratings were resolved by a third person. That same person conducted a final review of all posts that were rated mostly false to ensure they warranted that rating. (For more detail on the methodology and some notes on its limitations, see the bottom of this article, and you can view our data here.)
In the end, our team rated and gathered data on 2,282 posts. There were 1,145 posts from mainstream pages, 666 from hyperpartisan right-wing pages, and 471 from hyperpartisan left-wing pages. The difference in the number of posts for each group is a result of them publishing with different frequencies.
Accuracy: Right vs. Left



All nine pages consisted largely of content that was either mostly true or earned a “no factual content” rating.
However, during the time period analyzed, we found that right-wing pages were more prone to sharing false or misleading information than left-wing pages. Mainstream pages did not share any completely false information, but did publish a small number of posts that included unverified claims. (More on that below.)
We rated 86 out of a total 666 right-wing Facebook posts as mostly false, for a percentage of 13%. Another 167 posts (25%) were rated as a mixture of true and false. Viewed separately or together (38%), this is an alarmingly high percentage.
Left-wing pages did not earn as many “mostly false” or “mixture of true and false” ratings, but they did share false and misleading content. We identified 22 mostly false posts out of a total of 471 from these pages, which means that just under 5% of left-wing posts were untrue. We rated close to 14% of these posts (68) a mixture of true and false. Taken together, nearly a fifth of all left-wing posts we analyzed were either partially or mostly false.
One of the most common reasons we rated a post as a mixture of true and false was because the headline and/or Facebook share line introduced misinformation or was misleading to the audience. This frequently took the form of a shared link that contained accurate body text paired with a misleading headline, likely to drive social engagement and clicks.
For example, the left-wing page Addicting Info shared an article with the headline “Trump Loses Support Of Police Union After Saying Tulsa Shooting Cop ‘Choked’ (VIDEO).” But contrary to the claim in the headline, the article makes it clear that Trump didn’t lose an endorsement. The executive director of the Fraternal Order of Police merely gave a quote that was slightly critical of something Trump said.
On the right, Freedom Daily posted a link to an article from the website Yes I’m Right. It carried the headline “Australia Voted To Ban Muslims And Liberals Are Pissed.” The story correctly reports on the results of a poll that asked Australians if they would support or oppose a ban on Muslim immigration to Australia. But there was no vote to ban Muslims, making the headline completely false. (Side note: As illustrated by that headline, pages on the right and the left both love to talk about how something that happened made the other side lose their minds, freak out, get totally shut down, etc.)



Alarmingly, we found examples of pages on the left and on the right presenting fake news articles as real. Two left-wing pages, Occupy Democrats and The Other 98%, posted a link to an article on U.S. Uncut that claimed the surgeon general of the US warned that drinking every time Trump lied during the first presidential debate could result in “acute alcohol poisoning.” That story was an aggregation of a satirical Raw Story article with the same information, published earlier that day. (“Please do your fact-checking as responsibly as possible,” joked the U.S. Uncut article that unwittingly presented false information as true.)
Right Wing News, a page with 3.3 million followers, shared a link to a story that claimed authorities in Charlotte had warned would-be rioters that their food stamps and other government benefits would be revoked if they were caught looting or rioting. That story came from the Baltimore Gazette, a fake news site.

Mainstream pages did not publish any mostly false content on the days we checked. We did, however, encounter one story that spread to all three mainstream pages as well as some partisan pages and remains unconfirmed to this day.
There were eight mainstream posts out of a total of 1,145 that earned the “mixture of true and false” rating. The majority of these were related to one story — the report from Politico that former President George H.W. Bush would be voting for Hillary Clinton.
Our ratings guide dictated that any posts built solely on anonymous sources or on unverified claims should be given the “mixture” rating. Since President Bush and his spokesman refused to confirm or deny the report, we rated all stories that repeated this claim the same way. Politico’s story about the former president was shared more than 14,000 times from its Facebook page, making it that page’s biggest hit during the period we analyzed. Overall, we saw a high number of Facebook shares for stories about the Bush voting claim. But the sample number is too small to make any larger conclusion about how unverified stories perform compared to true stories on mainstream pages.
Worst Offenders = High Engagement
Which pages shared the least credible information?
Freedom Daily, with its 1.3 million fans, was the most inaccurate and misleading page during the period we analyzed. It had the highest percentage of false posts of any page, at 23%, and also saw the same percentage of “mixture of true and false” posts. That means 46% — nearly half — of its total output during the seven days we studied was rated as false or misleading.
Not coincidentally, Freedom Daily put up impressive Facebook engagement stats. It had by far the highest Facebook engagement (defined as the total number of reactions, likes, and shares) per post among the right-wing pages we studied. It ranked third among all nine pages for its median number of Facebook shares per post. (We considered shares to be the most important individual engagement metric, as Facebook itself has said it plays an important role in determining the spread of a post.)



Occupy Democrats was the largest page we analyzed, with 4 million fans, and was rated as the least accurate left-wing page. It had 9 mostly false posts out of a total of 209, accounting for 4% of its output. Just under 16% of its posts (33) were a mixture of true and false. In the end, a fifth of its posts were false or misleading, according to our analysis.
Occupy Democrats’ large number of fans means it theoretically has greater potential for engagement than the other pages. In the end, it did receive much higher Facebook engagement than any other page.
While Freedom Daily received a median of 947 shares per post, Occupy Democrats saw a median of 10,931. One factor in its impressive engagement numbers is the fact that Occupy Democrats consistently publishes native video to its page, which is an essential element in driving significant shares, likes, and reactions on Facebook.
The More Partisan or Misleading, the More Engagement



While the majority of the posts we rated from the partisan pages were mostly true, the mostly true posts typically did not perform as well as ones that were mostly false, were a mixture of true and false, or had no factual content. The more overtly partisan, misleading, or opinion-driven a post was, the more engagement the post would see, according to our data. Facebook, and the people using it, appears to reward the worst tendencies of these pages.
For example, Occupy Democrats saw a median of 7,755 shares for its mostly true posts, whereas all other post types received a median of 13,330 shares. Right Wing News — the largest right-wing page, at 3.3 million fans — received a median of 87 shares on its mostly true posts, and its other posts had a median of 521 shares.
The mainstream political news pages we analyzed received a fraction of the engagement of the partisan pages. CNN Politics was the largest mainstream page we analyzed, with more than 1.8 million fans. It had a median of 50 shares per post during the period we analyzed, the highest number for any mainstream page.
The lack of partisan content, along with an overall factual approach, may play a role in the comparably lower engagement for mainstream pages. However, there are additional important factors to consider: Mainstream pages publish with greater frequency, which means each post has less time to get traction before the next one is published; they also overwhelmingly post links, rather than mixing in a significant volume of video and photo posts, which tend to perform better on Facebook. Video and photo posts made up a significant portion of the most popular posts we analyzed.
Memes and Joke Videos
We were surprised by the number of posts that met our “no factual content” criteria. Almost 19% of all posts analyzed from partisan pages fell into this category. These posts were often images or memes that expressed strongly partisan opinions. Here, for example, are memes that generated big engagement for Occupy Democrats and Right Wing News:



These memes and jokes often contained some of the most partisan opinions, and often consisted of attacks against liberals or conservatives. Many of them also took the form of attacks on Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, or Barack Obama. It’s perhaps not surprising, then, that we found posts rated “no factual content” received a very high median number of shares when compared with other post types on the partisan pages.
Humor videos also fell into this category and were the source of some of the biggest hits, particularly for left-wing pages. This Occupy Democrats scrape and repost of a Daily Show segment with Trump supporters received more than 1 million shares:

video at original link

Echo Chambers and Polarization
One thing we noticed when trying to fact-check posts was that these pages, and the websites connected to them, largely aggregate information from elsewhere. That wasn’t surprising. What was notable was that the right-wing pages almost never used mainstream news sources, instead pointing to other highly partisan sources of information. Even if the key information they were covering originally came from a mainstream source, they almost always linked to other partisan sources, which in turn often did the same.

For example, Right Wing News published and shared a story with the headline “NFL Boycott In FULL EFFECT! 44% Of Americans Will Stop Watching Football If Players Continue To Kneel… [VIDEO].” Its article linked to a story from Young Conservatives, which in turn linked to a Breitbart story, which itself was an aggregation of a poll conducted by Yahoo.
This was a contrast with the left-wing pages, which frequently pointed to articles from mainstream sources. Some may view this as validation of the long-held view of conservatives that mainstream media has a liberal bias. It’s also important to note that the right-wing pages we analyzed had a much higher percentage of false and misleading information compared to the mainstream and left-wing pages.




Based on our analysis, we found the hyperpartisan right-wing echo chamber to be more polarized than its counterpart on the left, and our sense is that this likely contributes to the tendency for right-wing Facebook pages to promote false and misleading information.
Devoted readers of these pages likely experience a version of the same echo chamber effect. The more they read and engage with these pages, the more Facebook will show them this content in their News Feeds. The more they click on the hyperpartisan websites, the more Google will show them search results from these sources. The result is that over time people will likely become more polarized because algorithms and friends continue to feed them information that pushes them further in this direction. This “group polarization” phenomenon is well-documented and has been shown to exist in studies of Facebook users.
The group of BuzzFeed News reporters who conducted this analysis found that in just a few days, our News Feeds and search results began to shift and align with the type of content we were checking. “The most interesting thing is that after a few days of fact-checking right-wing pages, my Google results started skewing to right-wing sites,” said one team member.
The reality is that people who frequent these hyperpartisan pages on the right and on the left exist in completely different segments of the online world, rarely interacting with or seeing what the other side is seeing. The more they rely on these pages for information, the more polarized they will likely become — and the more their worldviews will be based on information that is misleading or completely false.
CORRECTION
The fake news story about the surgeon general of the US warning that drinking every time Trump lied during the first presidential debate could result in “acute alcohol poisoning” originated on Raw Story. We incorrectly said it originated on National Report, but their hoax was published after the Raw Story piece. Oct. 20, 2016, at 9:42 p.m.



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 Frazzled wrote:
There's absolutely nothing unusual about Clinton and Trump being there, or being seated near each other.


Thats my point.


Presidential candidates have attended the Al Smith Dinner nearly every presidential election since 1945 with the exceptions of 1996 and 2004. More often than not both major party candidates attend. They almost always exchange barbs (because it's a roast).

This is a normal feature of presidential campaigns.

   
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 LordofHats wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
There's absolutely nothing unusual about Clinton and Trump being there, or being seated near each other.


Thats my point.


Presidential candidates have attended the Al Smith Dinner nearly every presidential election since 1945 with the exceptions of 1996 and 2004. More often than not both major party candidates attend. They almost always exchange barbs (because it's a roast).

This is a normal feature of presidential campaigns.


Again this is my point, the point of the Bernies and the Trumpsters. There is no real difference-they are the same party.

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 Frazzled wrote:


Again this is my point, the point of the Bernies and the Trumpsters. There is no real difference-they are the same party.


By that logic Clinton and Trump both showing up for debate night makes them the same party, and we sure as hell know that isn't true.

   
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 LordofHats wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:


Again this is my point, the point of the Bernies and the Trumpsters. There is no real difference-they are the same party.


By that logic Clinton and Trump both showing up for debate night makes them the same party, and we sure as hell know that isn't true.


If you don't see the difference between the same candidates palling around at the same social gatherings, and meeting for a public debate, I can't help you.

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 skyth wrote:
Cozying up to Russia will make them believe that they can get away with more agressive moves towards their neighbors.


Our two respective nations haven't helped either.

In all honesty, I think what annoys the Russians the most is the double standards.

Britain and the USA invade Iraq, that's bringing democracy.

Russia intervenes in Ukraine and Syria, that's a new Cold War...


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 Cat_astrophe wrote:
As a left wing Aussie, this election doesn't mean much to me, with the two candidates (in my opinion) both going to do awful things (in a way) but I hate trump, and I always have, because of his ideals and his views on certain topics. While this is just my two cents, I would be interested to hear anyone's views on my opinion.


It seems fairly reasonable. Coming from the left of Australian politics, I can see how neither of those candidates would offer you much (I assume you mean left as in the Greens, if you meant left as in Labor then the Democrats and Clinton are roughly similar).

However, I'd say while it's great to see a politician who shares your values and has a list of policies that you love, that almost never happens. And even if you do really love a politician and they win... then they're still going to do some awful things, either because they screwed up or because that's just the nature of international politics and sometimes there are no good choices. The issue is how big their screw ups might be, and whether they actually take the least worst option or something much worse than that.

End of the day, Clinton is likely to end up wandering in to a skirmish or two, with a pretty good chance of doing so with a very badly conceived exit strategy. Pretty much a run of the mill US president, I can't even think of the last president that didn't end up getting in a fight somewhere. On the other hand Trump is likely to undermine NATO, cosy up to Russia, and dismantle world trade. Basically dismantle the current security and economic framework for the planet.


US foreign policy has been a mess since 2001.

It was guided by people who should have been exiled to a log cabin in Alaska, not given the wheel of a superpower....

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 Kilkrazy wrote:
No, seriously, the idea of hope for change has been present in various BBC reports throughout the campaign.

A lot of Republicans feel so ground down (for whatever reasons) and left behind by conventional government that they are prepared to take a chance on Trump because while it may be a million to one shot, that is better than nothing.



The only problem with that sentiment is that if we do get a Trump POTUS, then very soon thereafter there'll be a lot of people wishing for the "nothing" option.
   
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 Kilkrazy wrote:
Trump explains how Trump has run his campaign.

And let's not forget that actually it has been a very successful campaign. He beat all the challengers, got the nomination, and is still trailing by only 4 points in the polls.


Trump is a textbook example of how a third party candidate, a man without a party, which Trump is, can hijack a political party to their own ends.

Nigel Farage did it with UKIP when he panicked David Cameron into holding an EU referendum, and you know the rest...

Politics students will be studying these two for decades to come...

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Prestor Jon wrote:
Spoiler:
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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
infinite_array wrote:
Hey, guess what?

Turns out Trump used his foundation to fund O'Keefe and Project Veritas.

Yup. Trump literally paid for a convicted criminal to create a hit piece to damage the DNC.



This will go one of two ways:

If you're pro-trump, this will be "an outrage" and further proof of "rigging"

If you're anti-trump, meh... whatever, no big surprise there.


speaking of rigging, apparently the election is being rigged and 7 million people are about to lose their votes
http://projects.aljazeera.com/2014/double-voters/

it's long, here's the first bit:
[spoiler]

Election officials in 27 states, most of them Republicans, have launched a program that threatens a massive purge of voters from the rolls. Millions, especially black, Hispanic and Asian-American voters, are at risk. Already, tens of thousands have been removed in at least one battleground state, and the numbers are expected to climb, according to a six-month-long, nationwide investigation by Al Jazeera America.

At the heart of this voter-roll scrub is the Interstate Crosscheck program, which has generated a master list of nearly 7 million names. Officials say that these names represent legions of fraudsters who are not only registered but have actually voted in two or more states in the same election — a felony punishable by 2 to 10 years in prison.

Until now, state elections officials have refused to turn over their Crosscheck lists, some on grounds that these voters are subject to criminal investigation. Now, for the first time, three states — Georgia, Virginia and Washington — have released their lists to Al Jazeera America, providing a total of just over 2 million names.

The Crosscheck list of suspected double voters has been compiled by matching names from roughly 110 million voter records from participating states. Interstate Crosscheck is the pet project of Kansas’ controversial Republican secretary of state, Kris Kobach, known for his crusade against voter fraud.

The three states’ lists are heavily weighted with names such as Jackson, Garcia, Patel and Kim — ones common among minorities, who vote overwhelmingly Democratic. Indeed, fully 1 in 7 African-Americans in those 27 states, plus the state of Washington (which enrolled in Crosscheck but has decided not to utilize the results), are listed as under suspicion of having voted twice. This also applies to 1 in 8 Asian-Americans and 1 in 8 Hispanic voters. White voters too — 1 in 11 — are at risk of having their names scrubbed from the voter rolls, though not as vulnerable as minorities.

If even a fraction of those names are blocked from voting or purged from voter rolls, it could alter the outcome of next week’s electoral battle for control of the U.S. Senate — and perhaps prove decisive in the 2016 presidential vote count.

“It’s Jim Crow all over again,” says the Rev. Joseph Lowery, who cofounded the Southern Christian Leadership Conference with Martin Luther King, Jr. Lowery, now 93, says he recognizes in the list of threatened voters a sophisticated new form of an old and tired tactic. “I think [the Republicans] would use anything they can find. Their desperation is rising.”

For more on the efforts to challenge Interstate Crosscheck, read Al Jazeera America’s on-the-ground update from North Carolina and post-election analysis.

Watch America Tonight's coverage of this story:
Part 1 | Part 2 | Part 3 | Part 4

The Interstate Crosscheck list, as viewed on a mobile device, left. Parishioners at the historically black Ebenezer Baptist Church register to vote, right. (Click to enlarge images)

Though Kobach declined to be interviewed, Roger Bonds, the chairman of the Republican Party in Georgia’s Fulton County, responds, “This is how we have successfully prevented voter fraud.”

Based on the Crosscheck lists, officials have begun the process of removing names from the rolls — beginning with 41,637 in Virginia alone. Yet the criteria used for matching these double voters are disturbingly inadequate.

Is your state in the Crosscheck program?

See a table of participating states and the election officials responsible for running Crosscheck.
Millions of mismatches

There are 6,951,484 names on the target list of the 28 states in the Crosscheck group; each of them represents a suspected double voter whose registration has now become subject to challenge and removal. According to a 2013 presentation by Kobach to the National Association of State Election Directors, the program is a highly sophisticated voter-fraud-detection system. The sample matches he showed his audience included the following criteria: first, last and middle name or initial; date of birth; suffixes; and Social Security number, or at least its last four digits.


and a video for the shortened version:
Spoiler:



This is seriously messed up.
[/spoiler]

States purge/update voter rolls all the time. The only thing that would make this bad would be if they were purging people who still lived in the states they were registered in. Lots of people move all the time and while it's easy to register to vote in a new state it's not easy to unregistered yourself in your old state. I moved to NC over a decade ago and I have no idea if I'm still on the voter rolls in the state I grew up in. I did nothing to remove myself from the rolls in my old home state and registering in NC doesn't trigger any notification to other states to remove me. Purging voter rolls of names of people that don't live there anymore is perfectly normal and common sense bookkeeping. If there is evidence of states purging people from voter rolls who shouldn't be purged it's not in that article.


like I said it's a long article, from the link further down:
Abrams, in her second role as founder of New Georgia Project, a nonpartisan voter registration group, has, in coordination with the NAACP, already sued Georgia’s Republican secretary of state, Brian Kemp, on behalf of 56,001 voters who filled out registration forms but have yet to see their names appear on voter rolls.


this is a very real and serious problem



Ok you've switched to a different issue, not getting added to voter rolls is different from purging names of people who don't currently reside in that state anymore. Not getting added immediately to the voter rolls is an old issue and isn't a serious problem unless those people are also denied provisional ballots on Election Day if they don't get added by then. Registrars offices are notoriously understaffed and overly reliant on elderly staffers and volunteers to process the massive influx of new voters that turn out every four years. Again, it's a state issue and the funding staffing and level of technology and efficiency in the system can vary greatly. Is Georgia equipped to process tens of thousands of new voter onto the rolls in a few weeks of time? Unlikely and that's probably true of most if not all states but that's why we issue provisional ballots to people not on the rolls on Election Day. So this is only a real and serious problem if there is good reason to expect provisional ballots to not be offered or not be counted.

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 reds8n wrote:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/partisan-fb-pages-analysis?utm_term=.phOmneL37#.gcO1ZN6gY


Spoiler:


Hyperpartisan political Facebook pages and websites are consistently feeding their millions of followers false or misleading information, according to an analysis by BuzzFeed News. The review of more than 1,000 posts from six large hyperpartisan Facebook pages selected from the right and from the left also found that the least accurate pages generated some of the highest numbers of shares, reactions, and comments on Facebook — far more than the three large mainstream political news pages analyzed for comparison.
Our analysis of three hyperpartisan right-wing Facebook pages found that 38% of all posts were either a mixture of true and false or mostly false, compared to 19% of posts from three hyperpartisan left-wing pages that were either a mixture of true and false or mostly false. The right-wing pages are among the forces — perhaps as potent as the cable news shows that have gotten far more attention — that helped fuel the rise of Donald Trump.
These pages, with names such as Eagle Rising on the right and Occupy Democrats on the left, represent a new and powerful force in American politics and society. Many have quickly grown to be as large as — and often much larger than — mainstream political news pages. A recent feature in the New York Times Magazine reported on the growth and influence of these pages, saying they “have begun to create and refine a new approach to political news: cherry-picking and reconstituting the most effective tactics and tropes from activism, advocacy and journalism into a potent new mixture.”
The rapid growth of these pages combines with BuzzFeed News’ findings to suggest a troubling conclusion: The best way to attract and grow an audience for political content on the world’s biggest social network is to eschew factual reporting and instead play to partisan biases using false or misleading information that simply tells people what they want to hear. This approach has precursors in partisan print and television media, but has gained a new scale of distribution on Facebook. And while it isn’t a solely American phenomenon — the British Labour party found powerful support from a similar voice — these pages are central to understanding a profoundly polarized moment in American life.
For example, in late September, Freedom Daily, a Facebook page with more than 1 million fans, scored a viral hit with a post that filled its audience with racial outrage.
The post linked to an article on the Freedom Daily website with the headline “Two White Men Doused With Gasoline, Set On FIRE By Blacks – Media CENSORED (VIDEO).” The text that accompanied the link on Facebook connected the attack to recent Black Lives Matter protests and urged people to share the post “if you’re angry as hell & aren’t going to take it anymore!”

Anyone clicking on the link saw a video of the altercation, with some additional commentary. “Back in the day, when people were a lot smarter and America was great, this would have been a lot different,” the article said.
But nowhere in the article or Facebook post did Freedom Daily make it clear that this incident happened almost a year ago, and that it had absolutely no connection to Black Lives Matter.
The falsehoods continued from there: The altercation was actually between two people, a black man and his co-worker — and perhaps most importantly, the co-worker is not white. Court documents allege that the fight began with the co-worker throwing the first punch. Prosecutors also said the second man caught fire as a result of him coming into contact with the first man who was engulfed in flames. And finally, in spite of the headline’s claim that the incident was “CENSORED” by the media, it was widely covered by Baltimore media as well as by CNN and the Daily Mail’s website. (The man who allegedly set the fire, Christopher Harrison Jr., was charged with attempted first-degree murder, reckless endangerment, and first- and second-degree assault.)
But these details only stood in the way of success on Facebook. In the end, Freedom Daily’s largely false post was shared more than 14,000 times, generating more than 9,000 reactions and over 2,000 angry comments on Facebook.
“Not even animals would do this,” reads the most liked comment on the post. “Time to hang these people.”
Pages like Freedom Daily play to the biases of their audiences — and to those of Facebook’s News Feed algorithm — by sharing videos, photos, and links that demonize opposing points of view. They write explosive headlines and passages that urge people to click and share in order to show their support, or to express outrage. And in this tense and polarizing presidential election season, they continue to grow and gain influence.
“They are, perhaps, the purest expression of Facebook’s design and of the incentives coded into its algorithm,” wrote John Herrman in the New York Times Magazine.
These pages are also a constant source of dubious, misleading, or completely false information.
During the period analyzed, right-wing pages, for example, pushed a conspiracy theory about a Hillary Clinton body double, recirculated an old and false story about a Canadian mayor lecturing Muslim immigrants about integration, wrongly claimed that Obama’s last address at the UN saw him tell Americans they needed to give up their freedom for a “New World Government,” and falsely claimed that a football player had been told not to pray by the NFL.
Left-wing pages wrongly claimed Putin’s online troll factory was responsible for rigging online polls to show Trump won the first debate, falsely said that Trump wants to expel all Muslims from the US and said US women in the military should expect to be raped, claimed that TV networks would “not be fact-checking Donald Trump in any way” at the first debate, and completely misrepresented a quote from the pope to claim that he “flat out called Fox News type journalism ‘terrorism.’”
The bottom line is that people who regularly consume information from these pages — especially those on the right — are being fed false or misleading information.
The nature of the falsehoods is important to note. They often take the form of claims and accusations against people, companies, police, movements such as Black Lives Matter, Muslims, or “liberals” or “conservatives” as a whole. They drive division and polarization. And in doing so, they generate massive Facebook engagement that brings more and more people to these pages and their websites and into the echo chamber of hyperpartisan media and beliefs.
What We Did
BuzzFeed News selected three large hyperpartisan Facebook pages each from the right and from the left, as well as three large mainstream political news pages. All nine pages have earned the coveted verified blue checkmark from Facebook, which gives them an additional layer of credibility on the platform.




The nine pages we analyzed. Fan numbers shown for each page are as of Oct. 17, 2016. BuzzFeed News
Over the course of seven weekdays (Sept. 19 to 23 and Sept. 26 and 27), we logged and fact-checked every single post published by these pages. Posts could be rated “mostly true,” “mixture of true and false,” or “mostly false.” If we encountered a post that was satirical or opinion-driven, or that otherwise lacked a factual claim, we rated it “no factual content.” (We chose to rate things as “mostly” true or false in order to allow for smaller errors or accurate facts within otherwise true or false claims or stories.)
We also gathered additional data: Facebook engagement numbers (shares, comments, and reactions) for each post were added from the Facebook API, and we noted whether the post was a link, photo, video, or text. Raters were asked to provide notes and sources to explain their rulings of “mixture of true and false” or “mostly false.” They could also indicate whether they were unsure of a given rating, which would trigger a second review of the same post in order to ensure consistency. Any discrepancies between the two ratings were resolved by a third person. That same person conducted a final review of all posts that were rated mostly false to ensure they warranted that rating. (For more detail on the methodology and some notes on its limitations, see the bottom of this article, and you can view our data here.)
In the end, our team rated and gathered data on 2,282 posts. There were 1,145 posts from mainstream pages, 666 from hyperpartisan right-wing pages, and 471 from hyperpartisan left-wing pages. The difference in the number of posts for each group is a result of them publishing with different frequencies.
Accuracy: Right vs. Left



All nine pages consisted largely of content that was either mostly true or earned a “no factual content” rating.
However, during the time period analyzed, we found that right-wing pages were more prone to sharing false or misleading information than left-wing pages. Mainstream pages did not share any completely false information, but did publish a small number of posts that included unverified claims. (More on that below.)
We rated 86 out of a total 666 right-wing Facebook posts as mostly false, for a percentage of 13%. Another 167 posts (25%) were rated as a mixture of true and false. Viewed separately or together (38%), this is an alarmingly high percentage.
Left-wing pages did not earn as many “mostly false” or “mixture of true and false” ratings, but they did share false and misleading content. We identified 22 mostly false posts out of a total of 471 from these pages, which means that just under 5% of left-wing posts were untrue. We rated close to 14% of these posts (68) a mixture of true and false. Taken together, nearly a fifth of all left-wing posts we analyzed were either partially or mostly false.
One of the most common reasons we rated a post as a mixture of true and false was because the headline and/or Facebook share line introduced misinformation or was misleading to the audience. This frequently took the form of a shared link that contained accurate body text paired with a misleading headline, likely to drive social engagement and clicks.
For example, the left-wing page Addicting Info shared an article with the headline “Trump Loses Support Of Police Union After Saying Tulsa Shooting Cop ‘Choked’ (VIDEO).” But contrary to the claim in the headline, the article makes it clear that Trump didn’t lose an endorsement. The executive director of the Fraternal Order of Police merely gave a quote that was slightly critical of something Trump said.
On the right, Freedom Daily posted a link to an article from the website Yes I’m Right. It carried the headline “Australia Voted To Ban Muslims And Liberals Are Pissed.” The story correctly reports on the results of a poll that asked Australians if they would support or oppose a ban on Muslim immigration to Australia. But there was no vote to ban Muslims, making the headline completely false. (Side note: As illustrated by that headline, pages on the right and the left both love to talk about how something that happened made the other side lose their minds, freak out, get totally shut down, etc.)



Alarmingly, we found examples of pages on the left and on the right presenting fake news articles as real. Two left-wing pages, Occupy Democrats and The Other 98%, posted a link to an article on U.S. Uncut that claimed the surgeon general of the US warned that drinking every time Trump lied during the first presidential debate could result in “acute alcohol poisoning.” That story was an aggregation of a satirical Raw Story article with the same information, published earlier that day. (“Please do your fact-checking as responsibly as possible,” joked the U.S. Uncut article that unwittingly presented false information as true.)
Right Wing News, a page with 3.3 million followers, shared a link to a story that claimed authorities in Charlotte had warned would-be rioters that their food stamps and other government benefits would be revoked if they were caught looting or rioting. That story came from the Baltimore Gazette, a fake news site.

Mainstream pages did not publish any mostly false content on the days we checked. We did, however, encounter one story that spread to all three mainstream pages as well as some partisan pages and remains unconfirmed to this day.
There were eight mainstream posts out of a total of 1,145 that earned the “mixture of true and false” rating. The majority of these were related to one story — the report from Politico that former President George H.W. Bush would be voting for Hillary Clinton.
Our ratings guide dictated that any posts built solely on anonymous sources or on unverified claims should be given the “mixture” rating. Since President Bush and his spokesman refused to confirm or deny the report, we rated all stories that repeated this claim the same way. Politico’s story about the former president was shared more than 14,000 times from its Facebook page, making it that page’s biggest hit during the period we analyzed. Overall, we saw a high number of Facebook shares for stories about the Bush voting claim. But the sample number is too small to make any larger conclusion about how unverified stories perform compared to true stories on mainstream pages.
Worst Offenders = High Engagement
Which pages shared the least credible information?
Freedom Daily, with its 1.3 million fans, was the most inaccurate and misleading page during the period we analyzed. It had the highest percentage of false posts of any page, at 23%, and also saw the same percentage of “mixture of true and false” posts. That means 46% — nearly half — of its total output during the seven days we studied was rated as false or misleading.
Not coincidentally, Freedom Daily put up impressive Facebook engagement stats. It had by far the highest Facebook engagement (defined as the total number of reactions, likes, and shares) per post among the right-wing pages we studied. It ranked third among all nine pages for its median number of Facebook shares per post. (We considered shares to be the most important individual engagement metric, as Facebook itself has said it plays an important role in determining the spread of a post.)



Occupy Democrats was the largest page we analyzed, with 4 million fans, and was rated as the least accurate left-wing page. It had 9 mostly false posts out of a total of 209, accounting for 4% of its output. Just under 16% of its posts (33) were a mixture of true and false. In the end, a fifth of its posts were false or misleading, according to our analysis.
Occupy Democrats’ large number of fans means it theoretically has greater potential for engagement than the other pages. In the end, it did receive much higher Facebook engagement than any other page.
While Freedom Daily received a median of 947 shares per post, Occupy Democrats saw a median of 10,931. One factor in its impressive engagement numbers is the fact that Occupy Democrats consistently publishes native video to its page, which is an essential element in driving significant shares, likes, and reactions on Facebook.
The More Partisan or Misleading, the More Engagement



While the majority of the posts we rated from the partisan pages were mostly true, the mostly true posts typically did not perform as well as ones that were mostly false, were a mixture of true and false, or had no factual content. The more overtly partisan, misleading, or opinion-driven a post was, the more engagement the post would see, according to our data. Facebook, and the people using it, appears to reward the worst tendencies of these pages.
For example, Occupy Democrats saw a median of 7,755 shares for its mostly true posts, whereas all other post types received a median of 13,330 shares. Right Wing News — the largest right-wing page, at 3.3 million fans — received a median of 87 shares on its mostly true posts, and its other posts had a median of 521 shares.
The mainstream political news pages we analyzed received a fraction of the engagement of the partisan pages. CNN Politics was the largest mainstream page we analyzed, with more than 1.8 million fans. It had a median of 50 shares per post during the period we analyzed, the highest number for any mainstream page.
The lack of partisan content, along with an overall factual approach, may play a role in the comparably lower engagement for mainstream pages. However, there are additional important factors to consider: Mainstream pages publish with greater frequency, which means each post has less time to get traction before the next one is published; they also overwhelmingly post links, rather than mixing in a significant volume of video and photo posts, which tend to perform better on Facebook. Video and photo posts made up a significant portion of the most popular posts we analyzed.
Memes and Joke Videos
We were surprised by the number of posts that met our “no factual content” criteria. Almost 19% of all posts analyzed from partisan pages fell into this category. These posts were often images or memes that expressed strongly partisan opinions. Here, for example, are memes that generated big engagement for Occupy Democrats and Right Wing News:



These memes and jokes often contained some of the most partisan opinions, and often consisted of attacks against liberals or conservatives. Many of them also took the form of attacks on Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, or Barack Obama. It’s perhaps not surprising, then, that we found posts rated “no factual content” received a very high median number of shares when compared with other post types on the partisan pages.
Humor videos also fell into this category and were the source of some of the biggest hits, particularly for left-wing pages. This Occupy Democrats scrape and repost of a Daily Show segment with Trump supporters received more than 1 million shares:

video at original link

Echo Chambers and Polarization
One thing we noticed when trying to fact-check posts was that these pages, and the websites connected to them, largely aggregate information from elsewhere. That wasn’t surprising. What was notable was that the right-wing pages almost never used mainstream news sources, instead pointing to other highly partisan sources of information. Even if the key information they were covering originally came from a mainstream source, they almost always linked to other partisan sources, which in turn often did the same.

For example, Right Wing News published and shared a story with the headline “NFL Boycott In FULL EFFECT! 44% Of Americans Will Stop Watching Football If Players Continue To Kneel… [VIDEO].” Its article linked to a story from Young Conservatives, which in turn linked to a Breitbart story, which itself was an aggregation of a poll conducted by Yahoo.
This was a contrast with the left-wing pages, which frequently pointed to articles from mainstream sources. Some may view this as validation of the long-held view of conservatives that mainstream media has a liberal bias. It’s also important to note that the right-wing pages we analyzed had a much higher percentage of false and misleading information compared to the mainstream and left-wing pages.




Based on our analysis, we found the hyperpartisan right-wing echo chamber to be more polarized than its counterpart on the left, and our sense is that this likely contributes to the tendency for right-wing Facebook pages to promote false and misleading information.
Devoted readers of these pages likely experience a version of the same echo chamber effect. The more they read and engage with these pages, the more Facebook will show them this content in their News Feeds. The more they click on the hyperpartisan websites, the more Google will show them search results from these sources. The result is that over time people will likely become more polarized because algorithms and friends continue to feed them information that pushes them further in this direction. This “group polarization” phenomenon is well-documented and has been shown to exist in studies of Facebook users.
The group of BuzzFeed News reporters who conducted this analysis found that in just a few days, our News Feeds and search results began to shift and align with the type of content we were checking. “The most interesting thing is that after a few days of fact-checking right-wing pages, my Google results started skewing to right-wing sites,” said one team member.
The reality is that people who frequent these hyperpartisan pages on the right and on the left exist in completely different segments of the online world, rarely interacting with or seeing what the other side is seeing. The more they rely on these pages for information, the more polarized they will likely become — and the more their worldviews will be based on information that is misleading or completely false.
CORRECTION
The fake news story about the surgeon general of the US warning that drinking every time Trump lied during the first presidential debate could result in “acute alcohol poisoning” originated on Raw Story. We incorrectly said it originated on National Report, but their hoax was published after the Raw Story piece. Oct. 20, 2016, at 9:42 p.m.



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