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On a scale from 0 to 100, where 0 means there is no chance and 100 means it is a certainty, what are the odds that the U.S. would have race riots in major cities at some point in his presidency, if Donald Trump is elected president?
averages to 65% of the voters think this would happen.
Frankly, due to where race relations are in general, I think the odds of another major race riot are pretty likely, regardless of who’s in the White House. Probably would be higher with Trump, but not by a whole lot. It’s on a high simmer as it is, and a riot is more likely to be sparked by some random local event then dictates from on high.
On a scale from 0 to 100, where 0 means there is no chance and 100 means it is a certainty, what are the odds that the U.S. would have race riots in major cities at some point in his presidency, if Donald Trump is elected president?
averages to 65% of the voters think this would happen.
Frankly, due to where race relations are in general, I think the odds of another major race riot are pretty likely, regardless of who’s in the White House. Probably would be higher with Trump, but not by a whole lot. It’s on a high simmer as it is, and a riot is more likely to be sparked by some random local event then dictates from on high.
Trump could very well spark one with trying to impose a nation wide stop and frisk policy. A policy that is racist in nature, and encouraged cops to plant evidence to keep their numbers up. Not to mention cops seem to forget that the second amendment applies to everyone, not just the whiteys, so anytime they stop a minority with a gun it has the potential to end badly.
Trump could very well spark one with trying to impose a nation wide stop and frisk policy.
Federalism (I know its a dirty word to Democrats) means that the President can't actually do that.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
skyth wrote: With all of Cruz's ties to the Christian Taliban...I'm surprised he allows the family to dress up for Samhain.
The girls get to go out for one our before the sun goes down, the parents are with them, and they go through the candy throwing out anything that looks "suspicious" until the only things left are a packet of candy corn and a couple nickels.
Of course, religious hypocrisy being what it is, I fully expect Cruz and his wife to be up on some hilltop at midnight after their daughters are asleep, anointing their nude bodies with the blood of a sacrificed goat as they dance around a bonfire.
Slightly OT but here is a story about Custer during the ACW that I like.
Custer was a junior staff officer on the Union side. On one campaign the general and hios staff were riding around to scout the terrain and wanted to get across a river.
No-one knew how deep the river was, and the various generals and officers mulled around a bit uselessly wondering how they could find out.
Custer said, "General, you want to know how deep the river is?" and rode his horse into the middle and shouted back, "It's this deep!"
Kilkrazy wrote: The Buzzfeed article indicates that a lot of Republican voters (more so than Democrats) are living in a high false information world.
It has become a vicious circle of confirmation bias.
I have a strongly republican friend who sees the divide, but claims that left and right are seeing "different truths with different facts".... I didn't want to burst his bubble that he has been largely suckered (For instance, he believes and values the O'Keefe videos)
Criticisms of the ACA included that it would balloon the deficit (it didn't), crash the Economy (it's going pretty well) and death panels would murder your grandma (this may have happened, have you checked up on her lately?). I remember the arguments well.
The criticisms of the ACA were not vindicated at all. It remains a useful, if flawed, piece of legislation, which could be much improved if Republicans could tackle the issues in good faith, instead of putting forward a 58th repeal bill with no replacement plan even proposed.
That's exhibit A on regurgitating the defenders of the ACA.
Furthermore, it didn't do jack squat of what was promised:
Look at the blue line... that's the increases of the monthly payments (premiums).
Then there's this:
This shows the rate of increases of the deductibles (meaning, what you have to pay out-of-pocket before the insurance kicks in)...
The bulk of the increases is starting to kick in now (and the next few years), because it was designed (plus some gratituous HHS 'delays') to shelter the Obama administration from the worst of it's impact during his tenure.
So, adding a crap program on top of a crappy system will only result in simply... crap.
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skyth wrote: With all of Cruz's ties to the Christian Taliban...I'm surprised he allows the family to dress up for Samhain.
:roll eyes:
...yeah... the HRC is the evil witch of the west.
Now... where's my big bucket of water....
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Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the first graph show that rate of premiums rising is not related to the ACA? There is a jump in 2010, but it looks the rate of increase has stayed roughly the same since 1999.
Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the first graph show that rate of premiums rising is not related to the ACA? There is a jump in 2010, but it looks the rate of increase has stayed roughly the same since 1999.
Am I reading that correctly?
That rate increases is slightly higher.
That's the point, the ACA was championed to fix many things... one of which was to reduce that rate (or as Obama stated, 'bend the cost curve downward').
Interestingly, what's missing from the chart's datapoints, is the State's share (ie, Medicaid). Which, most of the "Obamacare enrollees" where shifted into...
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Ustrello wrote: It's almost as if the insurance companies are raising rates on purpose
I actually believe this... I mean, c'mon he was always guarded about his response towards Russia (just about the only thing!).
I just wished Slate has more than "a retired FBI agent anonymously stated..." source.
A computer scientist is the one that found the email server through DNS logs. They then passed it to Paul Vixie and he says it appears the two were communicating in a "secretive fashion."
The FBI guy on the other hand, that's from another Trump/Russia story (not one by Slate) that probably won't get as much media attention as it should.
d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
I actually believe this... I mean, c'mon he was always guarded about his response towards Russia (just about the only thing!).
I just wished Slate has more than "a retired FBI agent anonymously stated..." source.
A computer scientist is the one that found the email server through DNS logs. They then passed it to Paul Vixie and he says it appears the two were communicating in a "secretive fashion."
Cool.
Troubling though... not illegal.
The FBI guy on the other hand, that's from another Trump/Russia story (not one by Slate) that probably won't get as much media attention as it should.
That's what I get for mix'n matching stories... my Chrome tab is insane, worst this this:
Spoiler:
Is this the story that The Daily Beast refused to publish?
As much as I despise motherjones... I'd believe this too. Trump may not be a willing Russkie agent... but, he sure as feth seem like he loves having his ego stroked. So, it's not hard to see a Russian agent fellatio'ing Trump's ear for favorable treatment.
Re: From time to time I get the questions in advance
From:donna@brazileassociates.com
To: jpalmieri@hillaryclinton.com Date: 2016-03-12 19:54
Subject: Re: From time to time I get the questions in advance
I rarely hear it. I'll send a few more. Though some questions Roland submitted
Sent from Donna's I Pad. Follow me on twitter @donnabrazile
On Mar 12, 2016, at 4:42 PM, Jennifer Palmieri <jpalmieri@hillaryclinton.com><mailto:jpalmieri@hillaryclinton.com>> wrote:
Hi. Yes, it is one she gets asked about. Not everyone likes her answer but can share it.
Betsaida - can you send her answer on death penalty?
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 12, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Donna Brazile <donna@brazileassociates.com><mailto:donna@brazileassociates.com>> wrote:
Here's one that worries me about HRC.
DEATH PENALTY
19 states and the District of Columbia have banned the death penalty. 31 states, including Ohio, still have the death penalty. According to the National Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty, since 1973, 156 people have been on death row and later set free. Since 1976, 1,414 people have been executed in the U.S. That’s 11% of Americans who were sentenced to die, but later exonerated and freed. Should Ohio and the 30 other states join the current list and abolish the death penalty?
Sent from Donna's I Pad. Follow me on twitter @donnabrazile
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Wikileaks is claiming that the questions in the Bernie-Hillary debate were leaked to the Clinton campaign prior to the debate.
Re: From time to time I get the questions in advance
From:donna@brazileassociates.com
To: jpalmieri@hillaryclinton.com Date: 2016-03-12 19:54
Subject: Re: From time to time I get the questions in advance
I rarely hear it. I'll send a few more. Though some questions Roland submitted
Sent from Donna's I Pad. Follow me on twitter @donnabrazile
On Mar 12, 2016, at 4:42 PM, Jennifer Palmieri <jpalmieri@hillaryclinton.com><mailto:jpalmieri@hillaryclinton.com>> wrote:
Hi. Yes, it is one she gets asked about. Not everyone likes her answer but can share it.
Betsaida - can you send her answer on death penalty?
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 12, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Donna Brazile <donna@brazileassociates.com><mailto:donna@brazileassociates.com>> wrote:
Here's one that worries me about HRC.
DEATH PENALTY
19 states and the District of Columbia have banned the death penalty. 31 states, including Ohio, still have the death penalty. According to the National Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty, since 1973, 156 people have been on death row and later set free. Since 1976, 1,414 people have been executed in the U.S. That’s 11% of Americans who were sentenced to die, but later exonerated and freed. Should Ohio and the 30 other states join the current list and abolish the death penalty?
Sent from Donna's I Pad. Follow me on twitter @donnabrazile
Already posted earlier... Donna is no longer with CNN because of this.
Kilkrazy wrote: The Buzzfeed article indicates that a lot of Republican voters (more so than Democrats) are living in a high false information world.
It has become a vicious circle of confirmation bias.
I have a strongly republican friend who sees the divide, but claims that left and right are seeing "different truths with different facts".... I didn't want to burst his bubble that he has been largely suckered (For instance, he believes and values the O'Keefe videos)
Voter ID and Climate Change are issues where there are strong differences of opinion between left and right wing Americans, in which the established facts back the left wing view.
Kilkrazy wrote: The Buzzfeed article indicates that a lot of Republican voters (more so than Democrats) are living in a high false information world.
It has become a vicious circle of confirmation bias.
I have a strongly republican friend who sees the divide, but claims that left and right are seeing "different truths with different facts".... I didn't want to burst his bubble that he has been largely suckered (For instance, he believes and values the O'Keefe videos)
Voter ID and Climate Change are issues where there are strong differences of opinion between left and right wing Americans, in which the established facts back the left wing view.
Kilkrazy wrote: The Buzzfeed article indicates that a lot of Republican voters (more so than Democrats) are living in a high false information world.
It has become a vicious circle of confirmation bias.
I have a strongly republican friend who sees the divide, but claims that left and right are seeing "different truths with different facts".... I didn't want to burst his bubble that he has been largely suckered (For instance, he believes and values the O'Keefe videos)
Voter ID and Climate Change are issues where there are strong differences of opinion between left and right wing Americans, in which the established facts back the left wing view.
O.o
You really wanna go there?
You mean the republican "climate change isn't real" to "climate change is real, but is natural" to "climate change is real and human made but we can't do anything" didn't happen?
Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote: Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote: Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
IDK what you mean. The established facts clearly contradict the general Republican view of the issues, but Republicans generally continue to support their own position. There isn't any doubt about this.
Perhaps you could offer some issues where the general Democrat view is held in defiance of the established facts.
The interesting thing is why these situation should arise, and whether anything can be done about it. It isn't good for the body politic to have a large proportion of voters who are basing their thinking in Harry Potter world.
Voter ID and Climate Change are issues where there are strong differences of opinion between left and right wing Americans, in which the established facts back the left wing view.
According to lefties anyway.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Voter ID and Climate Change are issues where there are strong differences of opinion between left and right wing Americans, in which the established facts back the left wing view.
According to lefties anyway.
Frazzled wrote:
Voter ID and Climate Change are issues where there are strong differences of opinion between left and right wing Americans, in which the established facts back the left wing view.
Also, do have to bring up the ridiculous notions like Obama not being born in America being embraced by the republican party? To the point where 41% didn't think he was born in America. Or those polls that showed a third of R's blaming Obama for Katrina. Or that 69% of the people voting for Trump think that the only way Hillary wins is through voter fraud.
That's not to say there isn't nonsense from the D's, but it's just not embraced, by either the general membership or the establishment, at anywhere near the same level as the Republican party.
Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote: Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote: Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
Kilkrazy wrote: IDK what you mean. The established facts clearly contradict the general Republican view of the issues, but Republicans generally continue to support their own position. There isn't any doubt about this.
Perhaps you could offer some issues where the general Democrat view is held in defiance of the established facts.
Not to "gun" the thread, but perhaps the thought that gun free zones or the like will make an area safer?
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
Kilkrazy wrote: The Buzzfeed article indicates that a lot of Republican voters (more so than Democrats) are living in a high false information world.
It has become a vicious circle of confirmation bias.
I have a strongly republican friend who sees the divide, but claims that left and right are seeing "different truths with different facts".... I didn't want to burst his bubble that he has been largely suckered (For instance, he believes and values the O'Keefe videos)
Voter ID and Climate Change are issues where there are strong differences of opinion between left and right wing Americans, in which the established facts back the left wing view.
O.o
You really wanna go there?
You mean the republican "climate change isn't real" to "climate change is real, but is natural" to "climate change is real and human made but we can't do anything" didn't happen?
That was never my sense at all.
The worst you can say about the Republican's plank, is to not really have anything on their political agenda regarding climate change. If that's it... cool by me.
The problem is this: This need to ‘do something’ seems driven by emotional fear where definitive data are not available. Far too often, a predictive conclusion is pushed as "the settled science" as a means to shutdown debate is far more telling... especially when later on, the conclusions is challenged by other respected researchers.
What makes this even more contentious, is that politicians are eager to pander for votes based on these fears.... whom are waaaaay too willing to spend taxpayer's money to solve problems, even ones based on uncertain science. Seem to me that policies like that might do more harm than good while ignoring the fact that more data is needed (thus, more funding for research is needed).
Voter ID and Climate Change are issues where there are strong differences of opinion between left and right wing Americans, in which the established facts back the left wing view.
According to lefties anyway.
Darn those lefty scientists and their pesky facts and research...
Here's a fun one. In North Carolina, we actually have a law on the books that says we aren't allowed to use any models with new information to estimate sea level rise. Only old data is allowed to be used. It's hard to get any more of a blatant 'lalala I can't hear you' political stance with regards to science than that. Thankfully, it only lasted four years and was passed in 2012, so I guess we're allowed to talk about how sea level rise will affect our coastline again.
In fairness, the governor who let it pass by doing nothing was a Democrat, but the people who actually drafted the bill were Republicans...with, of course, some significant backing from people who had an interest in coastal land development. Because it's easier to sell houses to people if they've got a beachfront view and not a porchfront high tide line, I guess.
The worst you can say about the Republican's plank, is to not really have anything on their political agenda regarding climate change. If that's it... cool by me.
The Republican stance from the get-go was always to talk down the effects of climate change. It's insanely well documented; first it was 'it isn't real', then it was 'it's real, but it's natural', and now it's 'it's real and people have an effect, but eeeeeeh *shrugs* too late!', just like Co'tor said. The official Republican candidate for president is on record as saying that global warming is a Chinese hoax. There is absolutely a political agenda with regards to climate change on the right, and it's to not do anything about it.
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Kilkrazy wrote: IDK what you mean. The established facts clearly contradict the general Republican view of the issues, but Republicans generally continue to support their own position. There isn't any doubt about this.
Perhaps you could offer some issues where the general Democrat view is held in defiance of the established facts.
Not to "gun" the thread, but perhaps the thought that gun free zones or the like will make an area safer?
Better example:
Gun Show Loopholes.
Doesn't exist, yet Democrats keep on pounding that false concept.
Kilkrazy wrote: The Buzzfeed article indicates that a lot of Republican voters (more so than Democrats) are living in a high false information world.
It has become a vicious circle of confirmation bias.
I have a strongly republican friend who sees the divide, but claims that left and right are seeing "different truths with different facts".... I didn't want to burst his bubble that he has been largely suckered (For instance, he believes and values the O'Keefe videos)
Voter ID and Climate Change are issues where there are strong differences of opinion between left and right wing Americans, in which the established facts back the left wing view.
O.o
You really wanna go there?
You mean the republican "climate change isn't real" to "climate change is real, but is natural" to "climate change is real and human made but we can't do anything" didn't happen?
That was never my sense at all.
The worst you can say about the Republican's plank, is to not really have anything on their political agenda regarding climate change. If that's it... cool by me.
The problem is this: This need to ‘do something’ seems driven by emotional fear where definitive data are not available. Far too often, a predictive conclusion is pushed as "the settled science" as a means to shutdown debate is far more telling... especially when later on, the conclusions is challenged by other respected researchers.
What makes this even more contentious, is that politicians are eager to pander for votes based on these fears.... whom are waaaaay too willing to spend taxpayer's money to solve problems, even ones based on uncertain science. Seem to me that policies like that might do more harm than good while ignoring the fact that more data is needed (thus, more funding for research is needed).
So if one "respected" researcher says something it means the entire thing is debunked?
We better start making globes flat then if that's the case
So their repeated denial in the face of the facts wasn't repeated denial in the face of the facts?
The worst you can say about the Republican's plank, is to not really have anything on their political agenda regarding climate change. If that's it... cool by me.
a. One example among many.
b. It wasn't some sort of neural "we have no opinion". It was denial. And it's still there too. Not based on any facts, but to protect business interests.
The problem is this: This need to ‘do something’ seems driven by emotional fear where definitive data are not available. Far too often, a predictive conclusion is pushed as "the settled science" as a means to shutdown debate is far more telling... especially when later on, the conclusions is challenged by other respected researchers.
The data is pretty fething definitive. Our production of greenhouse gases (among other things) is causing our earth to warm and our climate to change and become more unstable. So there has been a push to alternative energy sources, recycling, efficiency in things that still use fossil fuels, climate protection laws, ect.
What makes this even more contentious, is that politicians are eager to pander for votes based on these fears.... whom are waaaaay too willing to spend taxpayer's money to solve problems, even ones based on uncertain science. Seem to me that policies like that might do more harm than good while ignoring the fact that more data is needed (thus, more funding for research is needed).
Or, maybe the think this is an actual issue that needs solving. And more research is needed, the more accurate picture we can get, the better we can fix this. Which is why the D's have tried to increase science funding. Just because we don't have 100% of the picture, doesn't mean we can't do something now.
And, again, no. The science isn't fething "uncertain". Like all scientiifc findings, it can be improved, but that doesn't make the existence of man-made climate change any less real.
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Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote: Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote: Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
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