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 Frazzled wrote:
We're just gong to have to agree to disagree on that.

Agreeing to disagree only works if you have a valid point of view.

 skyth wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
We're just gong to have to agree to disagree on that.

Agreeing to disagree only works if you have a valid point of view.

This is true, but I respect Kanluwen and although we disagree I think his views are valid.


OT: I can't believe I just got in an argument with a supposed "patriot" defending Russia's actions during the election. What the hell is happening? Has Rod Serling risen from the grave?

Woah:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/secret-recordings-fueled-fbi-feud-in-clinton-probe-1478135518

The White Collar Crime divisions of the FBI have been investigating the Clinton Foundation for a year. Many of the key players in the Clinton Crime Syndicate™ will be re-interviewed about Foundation business.

Hooboy.

Hillary's going to be elected while being investigated by the FBI for serious crimes.

Nice job 'Murrica.

 Frazzled wrote:
The FBI is doing what it is supposed to do. It found additional evidence and they promised to advice the committees if additional evidence appeared. It was the committees that leaked the letter.

If it came out that the FBI found it had possession of the emails with incriminating evidence under wraps then there would be hell to pay, and thats what the Democrats are actually arguing for.

Its not the FBI's fault, its your candidate's fault, and your fault for picking that candidate. Don't blame the cop for investigating the crime.

The issue is that their direct relevance to Clinton appears to be minimal at best, and the notice was given in direct defiance of existing FBI and DoJ policy and directives, and only a total idiot would not have expected such information to be immediately and hyperbolicly leaked.

 whembly wrote:
Woah:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/secret-recordings-fueled-fbi-feud-in-clinton-probe-1478135518

The White Collar Crime divisions of the FBI have been investigating the Clinton Foundation for a year. Many of the key players in the Clinton Crime Syndicate™ will be re-interviewed about Foundation business.

Hooboy.

Hillary's going to be elected while being investigated by the FBI for serious crimes.

Nice job 'Murrica.

There goes whembly again linking articles because of their title. You do realize it was split between agents who thought they had something and others who said it was hearsay right?

 Ustrello wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Woah:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/secret-recordings-fueled-fbi-feud-in-clinton-probe-1478135518

The White Collar Crime divisions of the FBI have been investigating the Clinton Foundation for a year. Many of the key players in the Clinton Crime Syndicate™ will be re-interviewed about Foundation business.

Hooboy.

Hillary's going to be elected while being investigated by the FBI for serious crimes.

Nice job 'Murrica.

There goes whembly again linking articles because of their title. You do realize it was split between agents who thought they had something and others who said it was hearsay right?

No... the FBI White Crime division had enough evidence to pursue and recommend indictment. It's the DOJ who tried to shut it down for political reasons.

 Vaktathi wrote:
The issue is that their direct relevance to Clinton appears to be minimal at best...

The issue is that they are investigating Hillary Clinton and not Jack Schmuckatelli. Hillary Clinton has a lot of powerful friends and a misstep by the FBI can ruin careers so there's no way in hell the FBI will push for an indictment against her without a bulletproof case. The worst thing that could happen is for the FBI to charge her and then lose in court or have charges tossed by the judge in preliminary hearings.

 reds8n wrote:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/11/02/alabama_secretary_of_state_says_more_voting_would_cheapen_the_work_of_civil.html

just because you turned 18 doesn’t give you the right” to vote.

.. uh huh.

Alabama continues to live up to stereotype shocker !

What in the fething feth?


So, here we have an attempt to create a system that will, indeed, easily provide a voter ID (getting a driver's license automatically registers you to vote), and Rs are trying to stop it.

 whembly wrote:
Woah:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/secret-recordings-fueled-fbi-feud-in-clinton-probe-1478135518

The White Collar Crime divisions of the FBI have been investigating the Clinton Foundation for a year. Many of the key players in the Clinton Crime Syndicate™ will be re-interviewed about Foundation business.

Hooboy.

Hillary's going to be elected while being investigated by the FBI for serious crimes.

Nice job 'Murrica.

Stop posting these articles or start posting the entire thing so people can actually read beyond the first paragraph or so. It shows very little before being cut-off with a "Subscribe or Sign In" blocking it off.

Realistically though, when you say crap like "Clinton Crime Syndicate™", it's hard to take anything you say seriously.

 whembly wrote:
Woah:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/secret-recordings-fueled-fbi-feud-in-clinton-probe-1478135518

The White Collar Crime divisions of the FBI have been investigating the Clinton Foundation for a year. Many of the key players in the Clinton Crime Syndicate™ will be re-interviewed about Foundation business.

Hooboy.

Hillary's going to be elected while being investigated by the FBI for serious crimes.

Nice job 'Murrica.

And trump could be elected while being investigated and soon to be tried in court on:
rackettering charges
http://unews.utah.edu/university-of-utah-researcher-trump-university-lawsuits-lay-groundwork-for-potential-impeachment-of-donald-trump/

and child molestation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.html
http://www.snopes.com/2016/10/03/rape-lawsuit-refiled-against-donald-trump/

It's such a great election isn't it. A true race to the bottom.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/11/02/alabama_secretary_of_state_says_more_voting_would_cheapen_the_work_of_civil.html

just because you turned 18 doesn’t give you the right” to vote.

.. uh huh.

Alabama continues to live up to stereotype shocker !

What in the fething feth?


So, here we have an attempt to create a system that will, indeed, easily provide a voter ID (getting a driver's license automatically registers you to vote), and Rs are trying to stop it.

Of course they're trying to stop it. It's something that NC did with their voter ID laws, they removed the driver's license automatically registering you to vote because everybody knows young adults aren't going to vote for Republicans.


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 Breotan wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
The issue is that their direct relevance to Clinton appears to be minimal at best...

The issue is that they are investigating Hillary Clinton and not Jack Schmuckatelli. Hillary Clinton has a lot of powerful friends and a misstep by the FBI can ruin careers so there's no way in hell the FBI will push for an indictment against her without a bulletproof case. The worst thing that could happen is for the FBI to charge her and then lose in court or have charges tossed by the judge in preliminary hearings.

Realistically, the only people that are going to have "careers ruined" in situations like that are those who behave in a manner which is wildly unprofessional like Comey did. Argue the point as much as you want, but if someone shows that they did their job in a professional manner? They tend to be insulated from crap like you're trying to pretend happens.

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 whembly wrote:
Woah:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/secret-recordings-fueled-fbi-feud-in-clinton-probe-1478135518

The White Collar Crime divisions of the FBI have been investigating the Clinton Foundation for a year. Many of the key players in the Clinton Crime Syndicate™ will be re-interviewed about Foundation business.

Hooboy.

Hillary's going to be elected while being investigated by the FBI for serious crimes.

Nice job 'Murrica.

And trump could be elected while being investigated and soon to be tried in court on:
rackettering charges
http://unews.utah.edu/university-of-utah-researcher-trump-university-lawsuits-lay-groundwork-for-potential-impeachment-of-donald-trump/

and child molestation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.html
http://www.snopes.com/2016/10/03/rape-lawsuit-refiled-against-donald-trump/

It's such a great election isn't it. A true race to the bottom.

Yep. what a freakshow. Vote for either of these guys and we are promised circuses for four years.

Alternatively, vote for Cthulu and make the pain go away.

I early voted for the Higher of 3 evils.

#FeelTheJohnson #NoRegrets #IHit3WineBarsAfter

 Frazzled wrote:


Alternatively, vote for Cthulu and make the pain go away.

Maybe somebody already did and this whole election cycle has really just been a mass hallucination brought about by the whole world going insane.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:


Alternatively, vote for Cthulu and make the pain go away.

Maybe somebody already did and this whole election cycle has really just been a mass hallucination brought about by the whole world going insane.

That explains so much.

I voted a write in, but I should have just gone with C'thulu

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/11/02/alabama_secretary_of_state_says_more_voting_would_cheapen_the_work_of_civil.html

just because you turned 18 doesn’t give you the right” to vote.

.. uh huh.

Alabama continues to live up to stereotype shocker !

What in the fething feth?


So, here we have an attempt to create a system that will, indeed, easily provide a voter ID (getting a driver's license automatically registers you to vote), and Rs are trying to stop it.

It's stuff like this that gives the GOP the "clown car full of evil" reputation. "...turning 18 does not give you the right to vote". Actually, gakstain, it does. It's literally the only thing an American needs to be in order to vote.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Realistically though, when you say crap like "Clinton Crime Syndicate™", it's hard to take anything you say seriously.

Realistically though.... they have money trees growing in their back yard.

How else did they massive make their wealth?

Oh... wait, large donors and foreign governments just loves to give money for altruistic reasons.

Right?

 whembly wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Realistically though, when you say crap like "Clinton Crime Syndicate™", it's hard to take anything you say seriously.

Realistically though.... they have money trees growing in their back yard.

How else did they massive make their wealth?

Oh... wait, large donors and foreign governments just loves to give money for altruistic reasons.

Right?

Strictly altruistic reasons? Sure, probably not.

But there are reasons that don't have to be sinister or as criminal as you and people like you love to insinuate.

 Frazzled wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:


Alternatively, vote for Cthulu and make the pain go away.

Maybe somebody already did and this whole election cycle has really just been a mass hallucination brought about by the whole world going insane.

That explains so much.

There's no spoon...

Explains so much... 'cuz the writers of "House of Cards" would've been laughed out of Hollywood had their script described the 2016 election.


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 Kanluwen wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Realistically though, when you say crap like "Clinton Crime Syndicate™", it's hard to take anything you say seriously.

Realistically though.... they have money trees growing in their back yard.

How else did they massive make their wealth?

Oh... wait, large donors and foreign governments just loves to give money for altruistic reasons.

Right?

Strictly altruistic reasons? Sure, probably not.

But there are reasons that don't have to be sinister or as criminal as you and people like you love to insinuate.

Not sinister...

Most likely criminal, yes. Using position of power to enrich yourself at the expense of public office/trust can only be a bad thing.

Did this happen ???
http://gopthedailydose.com/2016/11/02/remains-274-troops-dumped-virginia-landfill-connected-obama-hillary-clinton/#respond

Seems it did, but has been sorted.http://www.snopes.com/soldiers-remains-dumped-landfill/

Mmm the sweet smell of voter fraud.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/03/voter-fraud-california-man-finds-dozens-ballots-stacked-outside-home.html

 Frazzled wrote:
Mmm the sweet smell of voter fraud.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/03/voter-fraud-california-man-finds-dozens-ballots-stacked-outside-home.html

Wait, how is that voter fraud? The ballots were unused and apparently sent to the wrong address due to system error.

The Trump voter trying to cast her ballot twice was voter fraud. This was a glitch in the system. Unless you think the 89-year-old deaf woman the ballots were addressed to was in on it?

Also confusing was why the ballots were addressed to one person, but delivered to another person's mailbox.

This just seems to be a non-story promoted by Fox, with the Heritage Foundation shrieking "Fraud!" as Republican organizations nationwide try their best to mess with potential voters.

Edit: now it should work...sorry about my irrelevant comments before. I was wrong going on that road, it brings nothing good in the end.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:


edit: I should point out that I don't blame trump for this or anything, just that his rhetoric has emboldened these people.

This may look insignificant or a detail, but I, on the opposite, believe he should be blamed for this. He shouldn't get away that easily, because he's clearly doing it on purpose. Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can say anything and say afterwards "hey it's not my fault I suggested using violence would be a good thing to do". Hearing or reading horrible things all the time has an influence on the readers/hearers. Why do you think there is so much investment on publicity? People eventually get used to what they see all the time, and in some part of their mind, they begin to believe it's a normal thing or maybe there is some truth in it.

Trump let the crazies out. Sure, he didn't put their guns in their hands, but he definitely play a part in all that craziness.

He's making it normal, while it shouldn't be. That there are people not offended by this is truly showing how deep the problem is.

 Frazzled wrote:
Mmm the sweet smell of voter fraud.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/03/voter-fraud-california-man-finds-dozens-ballots-stacked-outside-home.html

Mmm, the sweet smell of conspiracy-addled deplorables getting moist over nothing so they can try to deflect from the absolute foulness of their candidate.

 BigWaaagh wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Mmm the sweet smell of voter fraud.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/03/voter-fraud-california-man-finds-dozens-ballots-stacked-outside-home.html

Mmm, the sweet smell of conspiracy-addled deplorables getting moist over nothing so they can try to deflect from the absolute foulness of their candidate.

In a statement, the office of the Registrar said, “We are carefully reviewing our records and gathering information to fully identify what took place. Our preliminary assessment is that this appears to be an isolated situation related to a system error that occurred causing duplicate ballots to be issued to an address entered for a single voter. We are working directly with the system vendor to ensure the issue is addressed and to identify any similar occurrences.”

This is much worse than fraud people. Clearly the machines that print and mail ballots have gone Skynet!

So, anyone have any polling data/information on the impact Open Enrollment/Health Insurance increases are impacting the tightening of the race?

 Easy E wrote:
So, anyone have any polling data/information on the impact Open Enrollment/Health Insurance increases are impacting the tightening of the race?

I suspect it'd do diddly on Presidential elections...

On congressional?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html

Still really unpopular and useful hammer for GOP candidates to hammer their opponent, so if anything, it'll boost the Congressional/Senate race.

 whembly wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
So, anyone have any polling data/information on the impact Open Enrollment/Health Insurance increases are impacting the tightening of the race?

I suspect it'd do diddly on Presidential elections...

On congressional?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html

Still really unpopular and useful hammer for GOP candidates to hammer their opponent, so if anything, it'll boost the Congressional/Senate race.

Not necessarily. In determining how disapproval/approval of policy can effect election outcomes, you need to understand why a policy is unpopular/popular and most importantly who is blamed/credited with it.

I don't know that anyone's actually done a poll on who is blamed for the ACA being bad amongst those who disapprove of it ( can tell you I've seen blame fall right, left, and center just in my school department of thirty odd people). I'm not even sure if anyone's done any real polling on how much people care. The number of people who cared enough about a Flag Burning Amendment was so few the idea died very quickly because even though everyone had an opinion on it no one was factoring it into their voting decisions.

This is an interesting read, in light of Trumps continuous banging on about the bloody emails...

http://europe.newsweek.com/donald-trump-companies-destroyed-emails-documents-515120?rm=eu