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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men. Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
His abortion and sex ed policies alone gets a "Hell No" from me.
Abortion and sex education policy
Pence is an opponent of abortion, and his unwavering support of abortion restrictions has gained him the support of grassroots conservative activists.[141] Pence began seeking to defund Planned Parenthood in 2007,[142] and in three congressional sessions introduced legislation to block organizations that provide abortion services from receiving any Title X funding, even for services not related to reproductive health or family planning.[143]
Pence has criticized comprehensive sex education. In 2002, Pence criticized a speech by then-Secretary of State Colin Powell where Powell stated that it was "important for young people... to protect themselves from the possibility of acquiring any sexually transmitted disease" through the use of condoms.[144][145] Pence called Powell's comments a "sad day" and expressed his support for abstinence education.[144][145] Pence asserted that "condoms are a very, very poor protection against sexually transmitted diseases" and that Powell was "maybe inadvertently misleading millions of young people and endangering lives".[144][145]
Not to mention he funds gay conversion therapy which results in a high suicide rate amongst gay teens.
feeder wrote: All the wikileaks are doing is proving what we already know: politics are dirty, even (perhaps especially) among supposed allies.
The fact that the Democrat establishment colluded with their long running and most powerful member to block a populist outsider for securing the nomination should be surprising to exactly no one.
No, it's not surprising, but it's always saddening.
Machiavelli was spot on with his observation about the three stages of democracy: stagnation, tyranny, revolution.And then it repeats itself.... I suppose we're in the stagnation cycle....
America will get the president it deserves.
The Brexit vote was a bit surprising. I think we'll see a surprise on Tuesday too.
The last time I got a surorise from a American presidential election was when I was watching the BBC coverage on election night
and Don King entered the studio!
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Which is better a liar or an idiot as president? Personally I prefer an idiot, easier too keep an eye on.
Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men. Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
I think it's a bit insulting for both sides to compare the US elections to the Brexit result.
Frankly, a year ago I would have thought the whole Brexit affair sounded like an insultingly simplified parable about political complacency that could never actually happen but... here we are.
loki old fart wrote: Which is better a liar or an idiot as president? Personally I prefer an idiot, easier too keep an eye on.
I would prefer one who can be predicted and has potential for lesser catastrophe. With one one cannot predict what he will do and worst he can do is lot worse than the other. Best likewise lower...
loki old fart wrote: Which is better a liar or an idiot as president? Personally I prefer an idiot, easier too keep an eye on.
So you're arguing for the candidate who did something dumb with her emails, rather than the one who repeatedly insists that he didn't say the horrible stuff he keeps saying on camera?
How are people pretending like Trump is a shining beacon of honesty?
I think it's a bit insulting for both sides to compare the US elections to the Brexit result.
Insulting? No.
One can see some parallels.
Here the Brexiteers and Trump voters, people with lower income or unemployed.
There the non-Brexiteers and HC voters, younger people who think that foreclosure is not a good option.
Former moderator 40kOnline
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Illumini: "And thank you for not finishing your post with a "" I'm sorry, but after 7200 's that has to be the most annoying sign-off ever."
Why is politics different from every other profession? We want the best, most experienced, skilled professionals in every field. All of a sudden, HRC's experience and political acumen (and she undeniably has plenty of both) is a reason some people want to vote for a demonstrably unfit candidate because "he's not a politician"
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
I think it's a bit insulting for both sides to compare the US elections to the Brexit result.
Insulting? No.
One can see some parallels.
Here the Brexiteers and Trump voters, people with lower income or unemployed.
There the non-Brexiteers and HC voters, younger people who think that foreclosure is not a good option.
loki old fart wrote: Which is better a liar or an idiot as president? Personally I prefer an idiot, easier too keep an eye on.
So you're arguing for the candidate who did something dumb with her emails, rather than the one who repeatedly insists that he didn't say the horrible stuff he keeps saying on camera?
How are people pretending like Trump is a shining beacon of honesty?
There is a bit more to it than she 'did something dumb with her emails'. You may think she will be a great POTUS, or at least a better POTUS than Trump, but at least be honest with yourself. The email issue, or more accurately setting up and using a private server for Gov't business in an attempt to avoid FOIA, is bad, especially when the issue of classified getting out is taken into account. But the Clinton Foundation scandal which seems to be the focus of the current FBI investigation is NOT about 'emails' except in that the emails provide evidence. When you add in the content of the Podesta emails which show collusion between her campaign and the press, as well as other shady dealings, you get a pretty good indication there is more than 'something dumb with her emails' going on.
I think it's a bit insulting for both sides to compare the US elections to the Brexit result.
Insulting? No.
One can see some parallels.
Here the Brexiteers and Trump voters, people with lower income or unemployed.
There the non-Brexiteers and HC voters, younger people who think that foreclosure is not a good option.
I'm not sure Trump does too well with the unemployed.
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Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
loki old fart wrote: Which is better a liar or an idiot as president? Personally I prefer an idiot, easier too keep an eye on.
So you're arguing for the candidate who did something dumb with her emails, rather than the one who repeatedly insists that he didn't say the horrible stuff he keeps saying on camera?
How are people pretending like Trump is a shining beacon of honesty?
No Trump is the idiot. We had a liar as leader, ergo we invaded Iraq.
Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men. Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
loki old fart wrote: Which is better a liar or an idiot as president? Personally I prefer an idiot, easier too keep an eye on.
So you're arguing for the candidate who did something dumb with her emails, rather than the one who repeatedly insists that he didn't say the horrible stuff he keeps saying on camera?
How are people pretending like Trump is a shining beacon of honesty?
No Trump is the idiot. We had a liar as leader, ergo we invaded Iraq.
I'm glad not to vote for pest or cholera.
Former moderator 40kOnline
Lanchester's square law - please obey in list building!
Illumini: "And thank you for not finishing your post with a "" I'm sorry, but after 7200 's that has to be the most annoying sign-off ever."
No Trump is the idiot. We had a liar as leader, ergo we invaded Iraq.
And now you support a lieing dangerous idiot. Because Trump lies much more and worse than anyone else as a presidential candidate. He still keeps doing it, over and over. And you believe you can keep it under control.
There is a bit more to it than she 'did something dumb with her emails'. You may think she will be a great POTUS, or at least a better POTUS than Trump, but at least be honest with yourself. The email issue, or more accurately setting up and using a private server for Gov't business in an attempt to avoid FOIA, is bad, especially when the issue of classified getting out is taken into account. But the Clinton Foundation scandal which seems to be the focus of the current FBI investigation is NOT about 'emails' except in that the emails provide evidence. When you add in the content of the Podesta emails which show collusion between her campaign and the press, as well as other shady dealings, you get a pretty good indication there is more than 'something dumb with her emails' going on.
Well not like Trump doesn't delete data in rather shaky way...
And at least Trump is known liar. Not "maybe" liar but proven liar. Proven COMPULSIVE liar. So if you don't want liar for president Trump is not your choice.
loki old fart wrote: Which is better a liar or an idiot as president? Personally I prefer an idiot, easier too keep an eye on.
So you're arguing for the candidate who did something dumb with her emails, rather than the one who repeatedly insists that he didn't say the horrible stuff he keeps saying on camera?
How are people pretending like Trump is a shining beacon of honesty?
There is a bit more to it than she 'did something dumb with her emails'. You may think she will be a great POTUS, or at least a better POTUS than Trump, but at least be honest with yourself. The email issue, or more accurately setting up and using a private server for Gov't business in an attempt to avoid FOIA, is bad, especially when the issue of classified getting out is taken into account. But the Clinton Foundation scandal which seems to be the focus of the current FBI investigation is NOT about 'emails' except in that the emails provide evidence. When you add in the content of the Podesta emails which show collusion between her campaign and the press, as well as other shady dealings, you get a pretty good indication there is more than 'something dumb with her emails' going on.
I think it's a bit insulting for both sides to compare the US elections to the Brexit result.
Insulting? No.
One can see some parallels.
Here the Brexiteers and Trump voters, people with lower income or unemployed.
There the non-Brexiteers and HC voters, younger people who think that foreclosure is not a good option.
I'm not sure Trump does too well with the unemployed.
I'm not defending what she did or trying to minimize it; I'm pointing out the insane hypocrisy of painting a misogynist, racist, bullying, snake oil salesman's con job of an election campaign as 'honest', or just brushing him off as a harmless idiot who won't do any real damage.
For the record, I didn't vote for Clinton in the primary, and I don't know what I'd be doing with my vote if her opponent wasn't Donald Trump. This was the Republicans' election to lose; if Clinton wins, despite her actual flaws (and the dozens of hysterical conspiracy theories and innuendos that accompany them), it's going to be because of the right.
loki old fart wrote: Which is better a liar or an idiot as president? Personally I prefer an idiot, easier too keep an eye on.
So you're arguing for the candidate who did something dumb with her emails, rather than the one who repeatedly insists that he didn't say the horrible stuff he keeps saying on camera?
How are people pretending like Trump is a shining beacon of honesty?
No Trump is the idiot. We had a liar as leader, ergo we invaded Iraq.
Whats this we stuff? Are you a US citizen?
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
CptJake wrote: When you add in the content of the Podesta emails which show collusion between her campaign and the press, as well as other shady dealings, you get a pretty good indication there is more than 'something dumb with her emails' going on
You must be outraged about the FBI leaking information to Rudy Giuliani, then.
CptJake wrote: When you add in the content of the Podesta emails which show collusion between her campaign and the press, as well as other shady dealings, you get a pretty good indication there is more than 'something dumb with her emails' going on
You must be outraged about the FBI leaking information to Rudy Giuliani, then.
I'm outraged that it got to this point...
Simple fix: Don't nominate a candidate that the FBI is investigating for criminal acts.
Ustrello wrote: Not to mention he funds gay conversion therapy which results in a high suicide rate amongst gay teens.
And hates LGBT people in general: http://time.com/4406337/mike-pence-gay-rights-lgbt-religious-freedom/ Pence seems to be the republican party's attempt to reassure the religious right that their hate and bigotry will be well-represented in our government, and that Trump won't be too busy being a racist against Muslims and "Mexicans" to take care of this vital issue. This is a problem that seems to get forgotten every time people say "Trump will just get impeached and then Pence gets to run things".
This is a non-issue. Virtually all late term abortions are done because something has gone badly wrong and the fetus is going to die no matter what anyone does. The choice is between abortion and the mother having to carry their doomed child, knowing the entire time that death is inevitable and there is nothing they can do about it, until it is born and dies painfully within a few hours at best. Nobody is (legally) getting abortions because they decided at the last minute that they don't want a kid anymore.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
CptJake wrote: When you add in the content of the Podesta emails which show collusion between her campaign and the press, as well as other shady dealings, you get a pretty good indication there is more than 'something dumb with her emails' going on
You must be outraged about the FBI leaking information to Rudy Giuliani, then.
Indeed I am. You don't want either of these for president. Which ever gets in YOU lose.
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Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men. Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
You must be outraged about the FBI leaking information to Rudy Giuliani, then.
I'm outraged that it got to this point...
Simple fix: Don't nominate a candidate that the FBI is investigating for criminal acts.
I knew I could count on you to ignore wrongdoing by the federal government when it's throwing out a few pitches for your own team, which is why it was doubly amusing to see you earlier in this thread shocked, just shocked, that people were calling you out for what you were.
All the people that were butthurt over allegations that the IRS was investigating conservative groups seem to now be absent when the Trump camp admits the FBI is leaking information to them to use in their campaign, which actually sounds like a pretty textbook Hatch Act violation to me.
But I don't know anything about that :sips tea:
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Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
For you it is. Others it isn't. You're not the judge of what are issues thank you very much. The voters will decide what is an issue and what isn't.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I've missed 60 or 70 pages worth of the discussion, and if you're fed up with hearing about wikileaks, fair enough. I'll move on....
but I was reading some wikileaks stuff about Clinton, Nevada, and let's say 'unusual voting' ahead of the Democratic primary result for Nevada....
I does not look good for American democracy....
But I suspect most of you know that already....
You can mention it as long as you view Wikileak as the scorpion in that frog v. scorpion parable.....
Also, please don't directly quote anything from Wikileaks or use any disguised links to it, if possible. Some of us are basically forbidden to go to that site.
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
You must be outraged about the FBI leaking information to Rudy Giuliani, then.
I'm outraged that it got to this point...
Simple fix: Don't nominate a candidate that the FBI is investigating for criminal acts.
I knew I could count on you to ignore wrongdoing by the federal government when it's throwing out a few pitches for your own team, which is why it was doubly amusing to see you earlier in this thread shocked, just shocked, that people were calling you out for what you were.
All the people that were butthurt over allegations that the IRS was investigating conservative groups seem to now be absent when the Trump camp admits the FBI is leaking information to them to use in their campaign, which actually sounds like a pretty textbook Hatch Act violation to me.
But I don't know anything about that :sips tea:
Oh. I'm sorry to tell you that you're gravely mistaken that I'm rooting for Trump.
Again... if you're mad that the FBI is leaking gak to Clinton's opponent... maybe the Democratic Party shouldn't have nominated Clinton in the first place.
" I'm sorry, but after 7200 's that has to be the most annoying sign-off ever." 
against Muslims and "Mexicans" to take care of this vital issue. This is a problem that seems to get forgotten every time people say "Trump will just get impeached and then Pence gets to run things".