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infinite_array wrote: Because I can't recall minorities in 2008 following rural whites around and threatening that their guns would be taken away, or that they'd all be atheists or devil-worshipers once Obama was in the White House.
This is just incoherent nonsense.
So you're not going to answer my question, then? You believe that the promises made and rhetoric used by Obama in the 2008 elections were of the same type that Trump used this year, so that the fears that certain segments of the populace are feeling at this moment are as unfounded as the various Republican claims regarding Obama over the past eight years?
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yes, but the asians tend to outscore everyone, so if it went by strictly SAT scores, almost all institutes of higher learning would be predominately asians.
Have you been in a University with extensive graduate programs? Master and PhD's? Plenty of Asian and Indian.
Also, are you saying that Asians SHOULD BE punished because they "tend to outscore everyone"? Perpetuating stereotypes is bias and/or prejudice.
Not at all, I'm just pointing out that if SemperMortis thinks doing away with affirmative action will help him get into school, he's wrong and would probably end up being less likely to get in.
you'd think will all the kids not getting into universities, a free market solution would be painfully obvious. more schools, more admittance, everyone could go, money to be made.
Sigh. No, he's not "wrong and would probably end up being less likely to get in".
Data for the 1997 entering class indicate that eliminating affirmative action would reduce acceptance rates for African-American and Hispanic applicants by as much as one-half to two-thirds and have an equivalent impact on the proportion of underrepresented minority students in the admitted class. White applicants would benefit very little by removing racial and ethnic preferences; the white acceptance rate would increase by roughly 0.5 percentage points. Asian applicants would gain the most. They would occupy four out of every five seats created by accepting fewer African-American and Hispanic students. The acceptance rate for Asian applicants would rise by one-third from nearly 18 percent to more than 23 percent
Eliminating AA would have a minor but positive effect on admissions of whites (and a major impact on patterns of minority acceptance).
fine, I was off by .51% That's still not much hope for SemperMortis to get in.
Insectum7 wrote: Real conversations begin when we know how to leave hyperbole at the door.
QFT. This should be our motto right now.
Amen, brother. It would really ****ing help.
I sincerely hope that (after some inevitable venting) everything can move forward in a civil way, because IMO it's only way for America to truly be great.
I feel fairly ignorant trying to understand this comment. Voting is done, how can he "win the popular vote" when voting is already over and Clinton won the popular vote. And do not tell me that the EC gets to vote before the people because that is fething nonsense. The EC is supposed to vote according to the people, so how can they vote BEFORE the people's votes are counted?
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I feel fairly ignorant trying to understand this comment. Voting is done, how can he "win the popular vote" when voting is already over.
And do not tell me that the EC gets to vote before the people because that is fething non sense. The EC is supposed to vote according to the people, so how can they vote BEFORE the people's votes are counted?
Prestor Jon wrote: It's disheartening because one would think that the people from the side that thought the reaction to Obama was hyperbolic nonsense would not indulge in the same kind of hyperbolic nonsense about Trump.
Well said. I guess we are always doomed to say, "but this time it's true."
Are you two really trying to equate the campaign promises and rhetoric that got Obama elected in 2008 and Trump elected in 2016?
Because I can't recall minorities in 2008 following rural whites around and threatening that their guns would be taken away, that they'd all be atheists or devil-worshipers, or they'd be deported to Europe once Obama was in the White House
No, I'm trying to explain that just as it was impossible for Obama to single handedly send people to FEMA camps, declare all veterans to be domestic terrorists, confiscate all our guns, cancel the 2016 elections, enact Sharia law at the federal level and subvert the US into becoming a communist country its' also impossible for Trump to single handedly deport tens of millions of people, build a giant wall across the entire southern border, drop nuclear weapons on half the middle east, repeal NAFTA, end NATO, etc.
I'm trying to explain that there is a difference between justifiable fears and hyperbolic fears.
I feel fairly ignorant trying to understand this comment. Voting is done, how can he "win the popular vote" when voting is already over.
And do not tell me that the EC gets to vote before the people because that is fething non sense. The EC is supposed to vote according to the people, so how can they vote BEFORE the people's votes are counted?
Galef... they're still counting them.
Mainly absentee and remote votes (military)
Yeah, a lot of states have fairly long time between when the ballots are cast and when the final results are officially certified. Here in NC I don't think the results are declared official until Nov 18 so the outcome might not change the but final number of votes in all the races can change.
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I feel fairly ignorant trying to understand this comment. Voting is done, how can he "win the popular vote" when voting is already over and Clinton won the popular vote.
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She hasn't won the vote. They are still counting them. Its just that she's ahead for now. Remember, the population of the US is about 318 million. That's a lot of votes to count.
The Electoral system is a bit faster in that respect, as you don't have to count each individual vote.
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Prestor Jon wrote: It's disheartening because one would think that the people from the side that thought the reaction to Obama was hyperbolic nonsense would not indulge in the same kind of hyperbolic nonsense about Trump.
Well said. I guess we are always doomed to say, "but this time it's true."
Are you two really trying to equate the campaign promises and rhetoric that got Obama elected in 2008 and Trump elected in 2016?
Because I can't recall minorities in 2008 following rural whites around and threatening that their guns would be taken away, that they'd all be atheists or devil-worshipers, or they'd be deported to Europe once Obama was in the White House
No, I'm trying to explain that just as it was impossible for Obama to single handedly send people to FEMA camps, declare all veterans to be domestic terrorists, confiscate all our guns, cancel the 2016 elections, enact Sharia law at the federal level and subvert the US into becoming a communist country its' also impossible for Trump tosingle handedly deport tens of millions of people, build a giant wall across the entire southern border, drop nuclear weapons on half the middle east, repeal NAFTA, end NATO, etc.
I'm trying to explain that there is a difference between justifiable fears and hyperbolic fears.
Okay, all the examples you provided are all actions that Obama has been accused of by the Republican party and haven't actually been said by him. And you're right in that, even if any of those ideas were originally from him, he couldn't do any of them with Republicans in control of Congress.
But your Trump examples? They're all come directly from his mouth. Every single one. They're the promises that energized his supporters through the primaries and the general election. And he doesn't have to do them single handedly. He has the Republican Party in control of the government supporting him, a party that is increasingly being taken over by the extreme fringe.
There are also other fears. Are you going to deny that the VP of a President-Elect, and the party of the VP and President-Elect are supporters of the horrific and degrading methodology of conversion therapy? Should my friends in the LGBT community not be worried that the rights that they've only recently managed to get are going to be curtailed, since that's one of the major platforms of the too-be governing party?
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I don't think the Electoral College angle matters much here anyways. If she had a better understanding of voter psychology and listened more to the groundswell behind Trump and Bernie, she could have wrapped this thing up.
But she was, in my opinion, overconfident in her own bubble, and not delivering a resonant message. The race was hers to lose. It sucks, but that's the long and short of it, IMO.
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So if votes are still being counted, how has Trump already won? The more I hear about this the more frustrated I get. I thought the PEOPLE of America voted for Potus, not 538 elected officials
Someone tell me I am wrong so I can stop caring and never bother voting again
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Galef wrote: So if votes are still being counted, how has Trump already won?
The more I hear about this the more frustrated I get.
I thought the PEOPLE of America voted for Potus, not 538 elected officials
Someone tell me I am wrong so I can stop caring and never bother voting again
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Because they know how many ballot returns they have left uncounted. So, if the victory margins is larger than the remaining uncounted ballots, they can call it.
Galef wrote: So if votes are still being counted, how has Trump already won?
The more I hear about this the more frustrated I get.
I thought the PEOPLE of America voted for Potus, not 538 elected officials
Someone tell me I am wrong so I can stop caring and never bother voting again
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He hasn't, at least not officaly. He will not actually be President until the Electoral College meets and votes. But the votes that have yet to be counted are not enough to swing the election at this point (barring something quite out of the ordinary).
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Prestor Jon wrote: It's disheartening because one would think that the people from the side that thought the reaction to Obama was hyperbolic nonsense would not indulge in the same kind of hyperbolic nonsense about Trump.
Well said. I guess we are always doomed to say, "but this time it's true."
Are you two really trying to equate the campaign promises and rhetoric that got Obama elected in 2008 and Trump elected in 2016?
Because I can't recall minorities in 2008 following rural whites around and threatening that their guns would be taken away, that they'd all be atheists or devil-worshipers, or they'd be deported to Europe once Obama was in the White House
No, I'm trying to explain that just as it was impossible for Obama to single handedly send people to FEMA camps, declare all veterans to be domestic terrorists, confiscate all our guns, cancel the 2016 elections, enact Sharia law at the federal level and subvert the US into becoming a communist country its' also impossible for Trump tosingle handedly deport tens of millions of people, build a giant wall across the entire southern border, drop nuclear weapons on half the middle east, repeal NAFTA, end NATO, etc.
I'm trying to explain that there is a difference between justifiable fears and hyperbolic fears.
Okay, all the examples you provided are all actions that Obama has been accused of by the Republican party and haven't actually been said by him. And you're right in that, even if any of those ideas were originally from him, he couldn't do any of them with Republicans in control of Congress.
But your Trump examples? They're all come directly from his mouth. Every single one. They're the promises that energized his supporters through the primaries and the general election. And he doesn't have to do them single handedly. He has the Republican Party in control of the government supporting him, a party that is increasingly being taken over by the extreme fringe.
There are also other fears. Are you going to deny that the VP of a President-Elect, and the party of the VP and President-Elect are supporters of the horrific and degrading methodology of conversion therapy? Should my friends in the LGBT community not be worried that the rights that they've only recently managed to get are going to be curtailed, since that's one of the major platforms of the too-be governing party?
Regardless of who said them they were being said and used to fan widespread panic and fear even though they weren't actually possible.
I'm not defending anything Trump or Pence have said or done or votes they've cast or legislation they've sponsored or signed.
Should your LGBT friends be concerned? To the extent that social issues included LGBT issues have become political footballs on the state and federal levels yes your friends should be concerned. Should your friends be concerned that Trump and Pence are going to somehow enact anti LGBT legislation through a Congress that only has a narrow Republican majority in the senate? Not really no. What anti LGBT legislation do you think Trump would try to pass that would get unified Republican support from people like Ryan in the House and people like McCain, Paul, and Rubio in the senate? And get all that Republican support without raising strong Democrat opposition? And be of sufficient priority for Trump waste valuable political capital on it before the midterm elections?
Galef wrote: So if votes are still being counted, how has Trump already won?
The more I hear about this the more frustrated I get.
I thought the PEOPLE of America voted for Potus, not 538 elected officials
Someone tell me I am wrong so I can stop caring and never bother voting again
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If a candidate wins a state (in most states) they get all of that state's Electoral votes (Winner Takes All). It's much faster because you more quickly reach a point where a clear winner emerges (for example, if Candidate A has 60% of the vote but 99% has already been counted, the remaining 1% in that state can't make up the difference) - that's the point when a particular state can call it. But you still have to count the remaining votes.
The people do vote, just not using a popular (raw values) vote. The raw number is still being calculated as they still want to count all of the votes in all of the states.
Galef wrote: So if votes are still being counted, how has Trump already won?
The more I hear about this the more frustrated I get.
I thought the PEOPLE of America voted for Potus, not 538 elected officials
Someone tell me I am wrong so I can stop caring and never bother voting again
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He hasn't, at least not officaly. He will not actually be President until the Electoral College meets and votes. But the votes that have yet to be counted are not enough to swing the election at this point (barring something quite out of the ordinary).
with texas being so close and hillary actually having more popular votes there already, what if it flipped? trump would lose and hillary would win and hilarity would ensue.
Galef wrote: So if votes are still being counted, how has Trump already won?
The more I hear about this the more frustrated I get.
I thought the PEOPLE of America voted for Potus, not 538 elected officials
Someone tell me I am wrong so I can stop caring and never bother voting again
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Didn't you post earlier in this thread that you're currently not registered to vote? Seems like you stopped caring about voting already...
As an outside observor, I think a lot of Americans are overlooking how farcical this election actually was.
HRC, the Goldman Sachs candidate, was going to be the saviour of the rust belt states and ride to victory on the back of that?
You gotta be kidding me!
Add to that the money from Saudi ISIL supporters, the wikileaks, the sponsorship from the arms companies, the collusion with the corporate media, the DNC bending over backwards for Clinton and the stench of corruption hanging over her from day 1, and you wonder why Americans turned their backs on that?
C'mon! I think the American public and you guys here are wiser than you give yourselves credit for.
And to top it all off, the Clinton celebration party was to be held in a building that was built in the 1980s by Mafia money in New York!
You could not make this gak up.
Who knows what Trump will bring, but in many respects, I think you guys have had a narrow escape.
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Prestor Jon wrote: It's easy to see why people are terrified but its extremely exasperating to see that they are. When Obama got elected and a lot of Republicans/Conservatives et al were wailing and gnashing their teeth about how Obama would destroy America as we know it and do X Y and Z that were all terrible and awful and Oh noes we need to buy up all the guns now. That was hyperbolic and ignorant, and by ignorant I don't mean racist or bigoted (although you could find examples of some people saying bigoted things about Obama) but ignorant n the sense of knowing how the federal govt works and the powers that the PotUS can wield. There was very little that Obama or any president can do single handedly to cause any widespread changes to the country. For the 8 years that Obama was in office aside from passing the ACA when he had a few years with a Democrat supermajority he spent most of his time continuing policies and programs that were consistent with what was going on under Bush43 and Clinton too. Very little really changed because the president doesn't have the kind of power the office would need to do any of the scary bad things people are terrified of the president from doing. So it's easy to see why people are terrified, they've been misinformed and worked up by hyperbolic rhetoric from political organizations and profit driven media outlets.
It's disheartening because one would think that the people from the side that thought the reaction to Obama was hyperbolic nonsense would not indulge in the same kind of hyperbolic nonsense about Trump.
I know what you're saying.
However, there are also citizens feeling uneasy not because of presidential power, but because of hurtful and prejudiced things that Trump's said during the campaign and over the years, and what it means for a man who's said those things to be our nation's president.
I don't think those feelings are irrelevant because of the existence of the legislative and judicial branches. I mean, I both took the high road and discussed the workings of our government when I had the conversation with my mixed-background kids, who were already aware that Trump has said not-nice things about non-white people and women. I'm not going to poison their minds about their president, and I don't want them to feel worried.
But it was a difficult f@#%ing conversation. You do get that part of it, right?
Galef wrote: So if votes are still being counted, how has Trump already won?
The more I hear about this the more frustrated I get.
I thought the PEOPLE of America voted for Potus, not 538 elected officials
Someone tell me I am wrong so I can stop caring and never bother voting again
Galef wrote: So if votes are still being counted, how has Trump already won?
The more I hear about this the more frustrated I get.
I thought the PEOPLE of America voted for Potus, not 538 elected officials
Someone tell me I am wrong so I can stop caring and never bother voting again
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He hasn't, at least not officaly. He will not actually be President until the Electoral College meets and votes. But the votes that have yet to be counted are not enough to swing the election at this point (barring something quite out of the ordinary).
with texas being so close and hillary actually having more popular votes there already, what if it flipped? trump would lose and hillary would win and hilarity would ensue.
with texas being so close and hillary actually having more popular votes there already, what if it flipped? trump would lose and hillary would win and hilarity would ensue.
Hillary does not have more popular votes in Texas. What are you talking about?
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